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The funny thing is that Iverson has done more with less than both Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett in their careers when all three of them were the franchise guys for their respective teams. Yeah, you can use the whole weak conference arguement on Garnett's behalf, but what excuse are you going to throw out for Pierce? Pierce played in that same weak conference as Iverson did, at arguably a better supporting cast (I would consider them basically even) yet the furthest he managed to lead a team without the help of two other superstar and future HOF'ers was the Eastern Conference Finals and manged to beat a 43 win team and a 50 win team. On the other hand, Iverson led his Sixer team to a 56 win regular season and the NBA Finals, even stealing a game from the Lakers. On the way to the Finals the Sixers managed to beat a 41 win team, a 47 win team and a 52 win team. So I repeat, what has Pierce ever done as the lone franchise player? It seems to me that Iverson did more than Pierce when both of them were superstar players on average teams. Pierce has played 11 years in the NBA thus far and has career averages of: 22.9/6.3/3.9 on 44.3 FG% He has been in the playoffs 6 times in his career and has averages of: 22.2/6.8/4.4 on 43.3 FG% He is a 7X All-Star, 4X All-NBA (3 Third and 1 Second), finished top 10 in scoring 5 times and top 5 3 times, NBA Champion and Finals MVP His teams had a winning percentage of 51% (which is boosted tremendously due to Allen and Garnett's arrival in Boston) and his team has won 8 playoff series (5 since KG and Allen came to town). In Wilikins first 11 years he had averages of: 26.7/7.0/2.7 on 47.0 FG%. He led his team to the playoffs 8 times in his first 11 seasons and averaged: 25/6.3/2.5 on 42.1 FG% He was an 8X All-Star, 6X All-NBA (1 First, 4 Second and 1 Third), finished in the top 10 of MVP voting 6 times and top 3 2 times including runner up in 85/86 and finished top 10 in scoring 8 times, top 5 5 times including leading the league in scoring once and being second 3 other times. His teams had a winning percentage of 54.3% and they won 3 playoff series. So aside from the NBA Championship and Finals MVP, no, Pierce's resume was not better than Wilikin's as of right now as it is quite clear that Wilkin's accomplished more than Pierce did during the first 11 seasons of their career. The only way that you can argue that Pierce has a more impressive resume is due to the Championship and Finals MVP that he has, but come on, look at the team he played on compared to what Wilkins played on. I think that it is worth mentioning that Wilkins was playing in a much more competitive conference during his time as well while the East has been quite possibly one of the worst conferences the NBA has ever had for the majority of Pierce's career. 82/83: Hawks lost to the Celtics 83/84: Hawks lost to the Bucks (50 win team and went on to the ECF to the Celtics) 85/86: Hawks lost to the Celtics 86/87: Hawks lost to the Pistons (52 win team that lost in 7 games in the ECF to the Celtics) 87/88: Hawks lost to the Celtics in 7 games 88/89: Hawks lost to the Bucks (49 win team) 90/91: Hawks lost to the Pistons in 5 games (50 win team that went to the ECF [remember first round was only 5 games]) 92/93: Hawks lost to the Bulls (57 win team and eventual NBA Champions) So do you want to admit to talking out of your [expletive] or what? The Hawks lost to the Celtics, Bulls, Pistons and a Bucks team that managed to go onto the ECF. They lost to the Celtics more than they lost to the Bucks and they lost to the Pistons the same amount of times. So yeah, I do think that you can cut Wilkins a little slack considering that the teams that he lost to in the playoffs, for the most part, were either the 2nd best or the best team in the Eastern Conference, and in some cases, the best or second best team in the entire NBA. The funny thing is that this player who supposedly can do anything aside from lead his team to wins actually led his team to the playoffs more and had a higher winning percentage than Mr. Pierce and he managed to do it in a much harder era of the Eastern Conference. Lol, and what was Paul Pierce's career highlight before he was given two other superstar players and one of the best teams in league history? Oh yeah, leading his team to the third round in one of the weakest conferences that the NBA has ever seen. So much better. The ironic thing is that up until Pierce was given one of the best teams ever to work with, people would use those exact same arguments for Pierce when trying to defend him. It just goes to show you that the NBA is a team game. It takes an entire team to win a Championship and one person can't do it by himself, no matter how talented. Just look at what Real Deal said. He summed it up almost perfectly. Besides, even when Barkley wasn't playing with Olajuwon and Drexler, he still managed to lead the Phoenix Suns to the NBA Finals (which they won 2 games against the Bulls), 1 60 win season and 2 50 win seasons. The Suns lost to the eventual NBA Champions 3 out of his 4 seasons in the playoffs. Nobody is taking away credability from what Pierce did, but it is worth mentioning that Pierce was playing alongside 2 other superstar players. Its not like this is something that should be ignored. Lol, are you kidding me? Nobody would even mention Pierce being a top TEN/10 SF of All-Time if he didn't win an NBA Championship. So I think the fact that people aren't laughing you off of the forum and actually having an intelligent discussion with you should be a pretty clear indicator that we are not "diminishing greatness when a player wins". Personally, I don't think that as of right now Pierce is a top 10 SF of All-Time, but by the time that he retires he will most likely be in the top 10 and will be around the 7-10 range.

Brady Penny pitched the night before, and there was reataliation. And, the pitch that hit Junichi Tazawa would not have hit Migeul Carbera is he didn't try and swing, so it wasn't THAT close to him. Do you really expect a kid that let up the game winning runs in extra innings to the New York Yankees, than makes his first MLB start at Fenway Park to hit Miguel Carbrera with a BLAZING 90mph fastball with two strikes already?

This.

LMAO ECN you are such a tool man. Take off the red and blue glasses! Youkilis got his [expletive] rocked by a 19 year old. If you look at Porcello's reaction you know he didn't throw it intentionally and he threw his arms up in a why the F are you charging at me sort of way. And if you think they went down at the same time together you're an idiot because Porcello threw him to the ground like Youk was nothing.

This is truly incredible. There must be a spacetime disturbance or something, because I am the only human being in the world who remembers the 2005-2006 season. Yeah, without Amare, we'd go 2-80. He's definitely the key to this team.

Hey N4S how you enjoying that little penis? Would you say it's worth it?

Pierce was never really a winner until he got some help, much like the others mentioned in his range; Dantley and English. Pierce led a 49 win team past 43 and 50 win teams, respectively to reach the Conference Finals. Good effort, really. Commendable, definitely. But, the season after, 43 wins, the season after that, 36 with basically the same team (except for the last season where Antoine Walker left and Ricky David replaced him). It was only when he got Garnett and Allen that he became a 'winner'. If Dantley or English are going to get crticism for never being able to win, then why should Pierce be praised because he won a championship on the back of two other hall of famers. Both Dantley and English are individually better players than Pierce, as well.

Yeah thats what upsets me about politics, people want to complain when its conveinient for them. USA's deficit/surplus has fluctuated ever since the US started. IMO just keep your loved ones close, handle your business, stay concious and humble.

This guy and Papelbon make for a monstrous douche duo.