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But who built the mirror? :glasses:

Except for AI and Wade, I can't think of another player in the last 10 years or so that has averaged over 4 TO's per game (Edit: Steve Francis did it twice...suprise suprise...) And IMO Kobe is a top 10 player all-time and the most skilled player the game has ever seen. I am not denying his greatness or the fact that for the better part of the last decade he has been the game's best player. The issue is we are comparing him to another historic player with considerably better playmaking ability (which is the area we are discussing right now). Of course...but if you are an elite player and expected to be the primary scorer and playmaker on your team, you can't make excuses for poor efficiency. I already showed the examples of LeBron being efficient despite an EXTREMELY poor offensive team his first few NBA seasons, and as another example look at T-Mac back in 06-07 when Yao was injured for half the year. As being a VERY similar player to Kobe, T-Mac, with a very poor offensive cast around him, averaged 6.5APG with just 3 TO's. He was doubled as much as any player in the league. His 2nd option was RAFER ALSTON. And as good a playmaker as T-Mac was back when he was remotely healthy, even he is not the playmaker LeBron is.

"There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America." -Barack Obama

He's averaging 23 pts, 5 rebs, and 6 assists per game in this series. He's struggling with the three ball but outside of that I think he's played a good all around series.

I have a better question: Was Denver's window ever really open?

Agree completely here, although... Disagree here. You can say what you want about his Drop The World and Forever verses, but neither of those songs were meant to be creative, in-depth songs with a specific story or plot. They were meant to be hit radio songs, and Eminem had by FAR and away the best verses on both of them. Look at Forever...all 4 verses were completely different and had little direction (especially Wayne's...God that was awful). As for Eminem and his battle rap style...he came up as a battle rapper, and succeeded as being one of the best battle rappers of all-time (just check out Infinite). Regarding his personal life and how he grew up, he's done all of that in song before. He's what, 35 or 36 now? Just a year ago returning after a 4-5 year hiatus. His direction and style of course is going to be different from when he first came onto the scene with a ton of innovative, creative material. Lastly, Not Afraid has a LOT of substance. Just because it's not some complex story or extremely creative (like Nas' Rewind or I Gave You Power) doesn't mean it is shallow. Coming from someone who has had issues with drugs and such, I found the song to have a lot of depth. And considering how many people have written him off, a lot of the stuff he's rapping about aside from the drugs is also interesting and has truth.

When did I say he was a better shooter than Kobe? And yes players do defend him to stop the drive, and he is doing what he is supposed to do...knocking down the 3 at a solid clip. To take away from him just because he is defended a certan way is ridiculous. And that's a BAD thing?!? Teams can't stop him off the dribble when he is going to the basket, it is very rare. And now unlike earlier in his career he can hit the midrange and 3pt shot at an efficient percentage when he does get cut off. First off, look at LeBron's stats from early in his career when the offensive talent around him was absolute CRAP...before Williams, before Jamison, before Shaq, before West, before Moon, before Parker. He was averaging 7APG+ in his SECOND season as a 6'8'' 250lbs FORWARD. And LeBron isn't a great passer? It isn't like he's simply drawing double teams and making the correct pass. The guy is an amazingly talented passer skill-wise. Every pass he makes is right on-point. He can make any kind of pass you wants; cross-court, bounce pass to the screener, behind the back pass, he can do it all. It is the single area that makes him SO special. Ok? Right now with Kobe's injuries he cannot get to the rim. He cannot get to the line. Even when he is hot with the jumper he can't shoot over 50% (like game 6 in OKC). Kobe is arguably the most skilled, talented scorer the league has ever seen, but right now LeBron is being a far more effective scorer. Even in his PRIME Kobe could never average over 8APG. He played out of the triangle one year and averaged 6APG but also notched over 4 TO's as well. He never was and never will be the playmaker LeBron is. Scoring the ball, I'd take a healthy, prime Kobe over LeBron. But Kobe is not healthy, and IMO he exited his prime a year or 2 ago. He has more moves than anyone else, can score from more places than anyone else, and he is as witty as anyone else...but he doesn't have the athleticism he had when he was scoring 35PPG or scoring 50+ in 4 straight games. And without that athleticism, his efficiency has dropped to a point where his skillset doesn't compare to LeBron's ever-improving VERY efficient offensive game.

What college is he in...? I wasn't aware insane asylums were considered universities these days.

Cleveland's Finest can you find a quote or something where LBJ said he wanted the Celtics? I don't know where you keep on getting this from, but you keep saying, just wanna know how I missed it since I check RealGM basically every day.

Yeah I'd be shocked if DBF was over 16 years old...

This hip hop professor guy is getting hella annoying.

Hopefully Rajon Rondo can throw Mo Williams into the scorer's table and KG can bark at someone.

Aren't you like 15 or something?

Lebron shoots a higher % at the 3 point line because players defend off of him to stop his drive. His FG% is also inflated to above 50% because of the high amount of dunks and lay ups he takes. Please dont tell me Lebron is a better shooter than Kobe Bryant because he is not even the best shooter on his team. Lebron has a team built around him to insure him 10+ assists. Lebron really isnt a great passer but hes a smart passer. At any point of time when he is doubled he can hit it to a 3 pointer shooter ( Mo, Gibson, Moon, Parker, West, Jamison) and they can knock it down or he can give to an open big man ( Shaq, Z, Hickson, Jamison) to finsih the lay up. Kobe Bryant plays in a triangle offense were many times he is not needed to score the basketball. He has 2 very capable big men in Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol. Lebron plays the point forward where every play is run through him and he creates everything. If kobe really wanted to he could do that but he has people who demand touches and he gives it to them