Huh? What I made was a blanket statement, and going by average Iverson had 5 seasons of 4+ TO's compared to only two 7APG+ seasons where he didn't give the ball up 4x. You took it way too literally. In AI's entire career he only had 2 high-assist seasons where he didn't go over 4 TO's. And as I also stated in my previous post, in 7 of AI's seasons he notched more TO's than LeBron did in his career-worst. I'm not just using individual seasons like you are with AI. AI and being efficient handling the ball was an abberation. Meanwhile I know you'll flip that around and say Kobe's 4.1 TO's in 04-05 was an abberation, but he's only averaged more than 5.5APG twice in his career, and both times averaged 3.5 TO's per game or more...and yes, one of those seasons was in the Phil Jackson triangle with a chmpionship-caliber team built around him, so don't give me the 'his teammates were crap' or 'he was learning a new offense' arguements. And I can go through x's and o's with you like I did in my last post explaining why LeBron is the better playmaker, and I have throughout this topic. But really it all shows itself in the stats, which OVERWHELMINGLY favor LeBron in the playmaking area. Efficiency as an elite player should be transcedent regardless of a few differences. Both Kobe and Bron are wing players, both have been on very good and very bad teams, etc... The difference is that through the good and bad, LeBron's numbers as a playmaker have stayed steady and extremely efficient. NEVER inefficient. Kobe's numbers have remained relatively inefficient in that regard to the better passing wing-players in the league (T-Mac, Joe Johnson, and in the last few years D-Wade).