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If Ron paul was president, he woulda plugged up the hole himself.

Yep. If you stuck Danny Fortson and George Bush in a blender, you get Lamar Odom.

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Better player: Right now, I'll take Ty. He's a very fundamentally sound player... he plays within the system, but he's fast as hell and can break down the defense easily. He's probably the best defensive rookie point guard since Rajon Rondo. More potential: I'll give the edge to Flynn here. I really think of the two, Flynn has the more star potential... Lawson has a chance to be an All Star (think of Billups without the jumpshot yet) but Flynn can be a superstar type of player like (think of Baron Davis). Better career: I'll give the edge to Flynn, if this is strictly individual stats. Flynn would have a star career, while Lawson would be remembered mostly a "one time All Star" type of player like Sam Cassell or Kenny Smith, etc. I'll still take Lawson though, I do think he's the much smarter and tougher player.

It's very easy to dissect any star in almost every playoff series and nitpick like you are. Sprewell was a borderline All-Star that year and did come up big for them in the playoffs. He was one of their big shot makers, and there is no denying that. But to say he rode Sprewell's coatails that postseason is VASTLY exxagerating what actually took place. KG may never be a guy that's going to average 30PPG in a series or be "the guy" in clutch situations, but you cannot say he rode ANYONE's coatails that postseason when he was league MVP and bettered Spree in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, FG %, etc... Ok, that's all fine...but my arguement is refuting the idea that KG rode Spree's coatails, and Spree shot above 43% only twice that series. Garnett was being defended by one of the best defensive bigs in the league, Karl Malone, who was fresh off a series of holding Tim Duncan to below 39% shooting in 3 of the 6 games that series. In the first 2 games at LA, both Minnesota losses, KG had 22/11/7 and 28/13/9. He may not have been the perfect player you expect or the guy that will rip your throat out in the final few minutes like a Kobe, but you are severely diminishing what he did that postseason. Yeah, KG won MVP because Shaq only averaged 22PPG...c'mon now. KG won because with less talent than Shaq, his team won more games and he had one of the greatest statistical seasons of the last 20 years. Saying he had a lackluster playoff after leading his team to the WCF without a healthy Sam Cassell is ridiculous. And Shaq dominated him in that series? He dominated the boards and had a higher FG % because he had MICHAEL OLOWOKANDI defending him at C! KG had Karl f'ing Malone defending him, and he still had a very, VERY solid series. Neither did Kobe. Your point? This little paragraph kind of sums up the problem...KG can't finish games and you don't like how people view him as a player. That's fine, but you persecute him for that and don't look at just how GREAT he was when he was healthy and in his prime. Just because he was never a great closer for his teams should NOT overshadow the fact that for years he was the most well-rounded player in the league and one of the best. He was one of the best scoring bigs in the league, arguably the best rebounder in the league, the best passing big man in the league, and always been a very good defensive player. Just because one area of his game doesn't fit your crtierea of what a great player should be, and just because you disagree with how other people view him doesn't change the fact that for nearly a decade he was a top 3-4 player in the league.

Lol what do you want him to do? Go down there and clean up the oil himself?

patiently waits for.................

Free throws are gonna be the reason this game goes down to the wire.

Boston will push us hard from the beginning, gonna up on them on defense. Ray Allen might explode.

And in Game Six of that same series, Garnett shot 42%, turned the ball over five times, had no answer for Sacramento's bigs, and had 19 points to Spree's 27 points and five steals. And in Game Five of that series, KG shot 43%, scored 23 points, and had eight turnovers, while Spree went 13-21, with seven boards, six assists, and 34 points. And so on and so forth. He shot 45%, not great for a post player, turned the ball over a ton, and has enormous non-adjusted stats because he played 44 minutes a game that postseason. His offensive rating was only 100. That's extremely low. Then he faced a Lakers team that tried so hard to beat itself, never shot more than 50%, played more than 42 minutes a game yet attempted, 11, six, five, four, four, and two free throws a game for the series, turned the ball over a ton, and fouled out twice. He rebounded the ball well. So what. He had one elite performance, game five. He was just another body the rest of the series. Even his rebounding numbers were inflated, as the Lakers had games where they retrieved 30% of their missed shots. Game 5, they recovered almost 40%. He had a nice regular season and captured an MVP that voters didn't know what to do with since Shaq only averaged what, 22 points that season? It's all KG had to hang his hat on because his playoffs were so lackluster. He never had the ability to really dominate a great team, either offensively, or defensively. Yet he'd scream and he'd yell, and you'd talk about how much fire he had, while Shaq dominated him in the Conference Finals that year, and lesser teams eliminated him earlier on. He couldn't even make the postseason the following year. He gets traded to Boston where he could become the third option and doesn't have to produce down the stretch. Pierce did all of that. There are lots of guys who play with just as much "passion and toughness" as Garnett. Does anyone talk about Pierce's passion and toughness, for example? Yet Garnett has a history of awful play against spirited teams late in playoff games that's excused because his teammates sucked. Dwyane Wade eliminates all BS bad teammate excuses, by carrying Antoine Walker, and Jason Williams to a title. None of this is meant to make KG seem like some mediocre player. He's not. He provides, as you said, defense, energy, a swagger. He's an exceptional help defender, who can hit some jumpers and score a bit in the post. He's also a terrific passer and a good rebounder. But he's never belonged in a conversation with the best of the best. There's this aura about the guy that's built on impression and myth and not actual greatness. He gets punked by Gasol, Gasol says he's lost a step, and everybody holds their breath like KG is going to drop 40 on him or hold him to 2-19 shooting. Or he's going to destroy Gasol's family. None of this is going to happen. and if KG tries to get extra rough, Gasol will take a bump, show the ball, spin, and drop one of his hooks in Garnett's face.

Oh give me a break. He rode Sprewell's coatails during the T-Wolves 2004 run to the WCF?!? Are you SERIOUS?!? KG won MVP that year, leading his team to the #1 seed of the playoffs. He averaged 24.3PPG/14.6RPG/5.1APG that postseason, including his 32pt/21reb game in game 7 of the semi's against the Kings...Sprewell had 14pts on 6-16 shooting and 6 TO's that game. Garnett averaged more points, rebounds and assists than Sprewell that postseason, and shot better from the field. As for the 2008 Celtics, the team was led offensively by Pierce and ultimately he made most of the big shots and plays that postseason. But, to downplay KG's impact on the team that year is really silly. KG was the DPOY who still was scoring at a decent clip and grabbing 10+ boards a game...and all of his stats increased in that postseason. Not to mention the attitude and toughness he brought to that Celtics team really gave them an intimidating identity. The energy, toughness and defensive prowess he brought to the Celtics should NOT be overlooked. Garnett will never be mentioned in quite the same breath as a Kobe or Duncan, and that can be attributed to many of your gripes against him. I understand this. But, don't get carried away. Much like T-Mac (but to a much smaller degree), a lot of the crticism towards KG regarding to his past teams' successes and how he handles himself as a leader is underserved or greatly exxagerated. And this last post fits into that idea perfectly.