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A few major issues I have... -Yes, Fisher and Harper's numbers were close in the years you specified, but Harper was a MUCH better player. He was bigger, more versatile and created matchup problems. Not to mention you completely ignored FG % and only look at 3pt %. Harper shot 9% better overall from the field than Fisher, and that is a much bigger difference than Fisher's edge in 3pt shooting. Also, Harper took a greatly reduced role with the Bulls. He was a 20/6/5 player the year before he joined Chicago. To give you an idea, the Hawks gave Joe Johnson the biggest contract out of any FA this summer for virtually the same production. Harper was a much better player than Fisher. -How in the world is Artest a better defender than Pippen? Pippen was arguably the best perimeter defender in NBA history. When Artest was in his prime you might have some ground to say that, but he's not the same defensive player he once was. Even though awards are overrated, in 1996 Pippen was in the middle of a string of 7 straight All-Defensive First Team selections. Meanwhile Artest has made only one All-Defensive team in the last 4 seasons (and that was only a 2nd Team selection). Artest is also NOWHERE NEAR the offensive player Pippen was. Pippen is what made the offensive attack so versatile and dangerous. Artest doesn't make anywhere near the impact Pippen did, and so the advantage for the Bulls in this matchup is enormous. -I would say Rodman/Gasol is a push. You are severely underrating Rodman's defense just because he didnt block shot. He was arguably the greatest defender and rebounder in NBA history. Even though he was undersized, he would have given Gasol fits with his speed, toughness, hands and IQ. Not to mention he dominated the glass more than any player currently in the league ever has, including Dwight Howard. That alone would help take away one of LA's biggest strength. -I would have given the Bulls bench the edge. Much more consistent and the 3pt shooting was lethal (Kukoc over 40% from 3, Kerr at over 51%). You never knew what ANY of the Lakers bench players would give the team on a nightly basis. With the Bulls, there was stability. Look, I understand the Lakers have talent, but we are comparing them to a team that was #1 in offense and #1 in defense the same year. We're talking the most dominant single-season team in NBA history. Some stats from the Bulls' 1996 season... -The Bulls outscored teams by THRITEEN(!) points per game. -The Bulls outrebounded teams by over SIX boards per game. -The Bulls averaged FIVE more assists than opponents. -The Bulls forced 3 more turnovers than they gave up. -The Bulls shot 48% from the floor and 40% from 3. -Three of the five starters were selected to the All-Defensive First Team in 1996. -Against Shaq's Magic, Zo's Heat and Ewing's Knicks in the playoffs, the Bulls lost one combined game. It goes on and on and on...

Ask them. I was referring to the actual quote (Wade was misquoted in the original post): "We enjoy the bull's-eye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games." But under the pretense that Wade did say losing basketball games would be like 9/11, if you don't see the wrong in that by now then you never will. lol, stupidity and morality are not mutually exclusive. And a little off the point: though the 9/11 misquote is quite sh-tty, I still don't think "morally wrong" is the appropriate term for it. Insensitive and poor judgment (and of course moronic) are more applicable, but that's getting into semantics. They're two examples of censorship, but the comparison is not valid because, again, they are completely different forums with different intentions. I'm sure Einstein would've understood why he shouldn't compare sporting events to catastrophes.

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oh, he mad

Do you like the smell of Shaqctus?

God really doesn't have anything to do with the conversation. The world doesn't work that way because you'll end up getting your ass beat, eventually. When you're being raised, it's your parents' job to teach you right and wrong, good and bad. Morals. Can I go tell the neighbor how I feel about her staring at me? Sure I can...but it will lead to more trouble, and it also depends on the way I go about it. To drive my foot into the Earth a bit further, I can go to a cancer center and tell one of the young patients how I think they really look without hair and any weight on them. Then I can expect to get hit in the face by a parent in the process because it would make me out to be a pathetic loser who doesn't know when to shut his mouth. Anyone can say or do anything. That doesn't mean it's okay. Even Wade himself knew he screwed up and he apologized, directing it as a misquote, but that's irrelevant because we're discussing what was said in the quote to begin with. Out of respect to those who died, or those who lost loved ones in the tragedy, you do not compare such a horrific and damaging event to a basketball loss. You don't even put those two in a sentence that relates them in any way, shape or form. Maybe someone lost their grandmother yesterday...and I say, "Yeah, I lost my pet cricket not too long ago, so I'm sure it was devastating." Just a stupid thing to say.

Mad OTR is mad.

Oh damn I forgot one: "I'm taking my talents to South Beach..."

Just because you dont like something doesnt mean it sucks.

Give us your favorite quote/quotes of players.

With the additions of Michael Beasley, Wesley Johnson, Martell Webster, Luke Ridnour, Nikola Pekovic, Kosta Koufos, and Lazar Hayward, as well as the subtractions of Al Jefferson and Ryan Gomes, Minnesota has made quite a roster shakeup. At a glance, this team appears to have gotten a whole lot deeper, and the added athleticism that the first three will bring is pivotal in the fast-pace offense that Coach Rambis will employ. My question is, what will the rotation look like? Minnesota has good depth at point guard, on the wings, and in the post, and many of their players have the versatility to play a couple different positions. This should give Rambis a lot of flexibility in determining his rotations, and expect a lot of competition with these players battling for playing time. Here's how I think things will shape up: PG: Flynn | Ridnour | Sessions SG: Webster | Ellington | SF: Johnson | Brewer | Hayward PF: Beasley | Love | Hollins C: Milicic | Pekovic | Koufos Kevin Love may be the best player on this team, but I have him coming off the bench. I remember he would even come off the bench when Al was hurt, and Rambis would start Hollins and Darko over him, and with Beasley in the lineup that may have to continue. Playing Beasley at the 4 gives the team more athleticism, and although he could struggle defending bigger posts, Love's defense wouldn't be an upgrade. Darko can be the shot blocking presence inside on defense, and on offense he'll help with his ability to outlet off a rebound, pass to Minnesota's athletic cutters as well as hit the open shooters, and provide a decent amount of scoring inside. The bench looks to be a good one. Ridnour is a solid distributor, Ellington's a lights-out shooter, Brewer had a much improved season last year as the starting 2, Love/Beasley (whoever comes off the bench) will provide a big spark offensively, Hollins is an energetic, versatile, athletic 5th big, and from what I hear, Pekovic is a talented low-post scorer, rebounder, and overall high energy guy. This lineup gets me really excited for next year, lots of new faces and it'll be interesting to see how Rambis manages everyone's minutes.

Maybe that's why you failed school?

Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest perimeter defenders in league history. Rodman is the greatest defender of all-time (at least according to me and many others who watch basketball). Harper is a better defender than Fisher, by miles, and a better overall player. The 1996 Jordan and today's Kobe...it's a wash. Andrew Bynum barely contributed in the Finals, had trouble in the WCF. The bench? Not even close. Los Angeles had one of the worst benches in the league. I love our team, but it doesn't touch the 1996 Bulls. Gasol would absolutely hate trying to play against Rodman, and because Rodman is also one of the greatest rebounders in league history, our rebounding advantage wouldn't be as significant, and that's a big problem when Bynum isn't healthy. Can't pretend like he's 100% either, because he just isn't.

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Jameer could be a valuable sixth man, one of the best shooting PG's in the league. And the Gortat contract isn't huge, the Okafor contract is huge, that's why they want to include him with CP3 in a deal. They could get around the same production from Gortat for a lot cheaper than Okafor. And Vince's expiring is bigger than Curry's, plus VC can still ball, give them 17/4/3. Chandler, Gallo, and Randolph are pretty nice pieces though. I don't know, Orlando still seems to have more to offer IMO.

You try too hard Oh, and for me it's ranch dressing. [expletive]ing sick.

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The Spurs didn't re-sign a Boner? They re-signed Bonner.

So if that is considered middle school behavior, what do you call asking someone to PM you their weiner? lol...

I really wish he lands with the Magic, him and Dwight could really make [expletive] happen. Along with giving fits to the Miami Heat.

Lol, well I developed this new mentality after I predicted the Wizards winning 50+ games last year

Because it's not funny at all. Not even a little bit.

I dont see why you guys are getting mad, he is joking.

You want to get off my nuts? You've been hugging them a lot lately, not sure what you're hoping to gain other than a potential chuckle.

Halo takes time because every weapon is so different and map strategy is key, as opposed to either running around or camping on a COD map (well those are the only 2 real strategies I notice). To me Halo has much more variety and all in all is just more fun.

"I'm not embarrassed by America. I'm embarrassed by humanity. More than embarrassed, I think it's really unfortunate in the year 2003 that we're still using violence as a means of conflict resolution. That's what I'm speaking out against." -- Steve Nash. And also... "They better not put me in the All-Star Game. I won't shoot, but I'll dominate that easy game. I'll be playing hard defense. I'll be foulin'. I'll be flagrant fouling. Everyone will be like, 'What are you doing?'" -- Ron Artest. And more quotes here! http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=70569

Orlando should strongly consider trading for CP3. Chris Paul would bring out the best of Dwight Howard, just look at what he did with a healthy Tyson Chandler a couple seasons ago. Jameer Nelson could play the two for the Hornets, he's a scorer first, passer second anyways. The Magic need a playmaker who can maximize Dwights abilities, Chris Paul would do just that, he would be the perfect fit. The Lakers have absolutely no shot at getting Chris Paul unless of course they trade Andrew Bynum. The pg issue is already taken care for next season, if we want to win a couple more championships in Kobe's prime we're going to need Bynum.

He isn't terrible. He can still play well. Nothing important though.

Not surprising since he talked about teaming up with Amar'e and Melo. Lakers would most likely have to give up Bynum to get him, maybe Bynum/Sasha + picks for Paul/filler? Knicks got Curry's 11 million expiring throw in Chandler and Douglas..? To be honest I don't see Paul going to Orlando because they don't have much to offer to fill their needs. Sure they could offer Nelson and Carter, but I don't think New Orleans would want Nelson since they have Collison to build around. Also Carter isn't what he use to be and if they trade for the two they're most likely looking at a playoff run. Its better for them to just focus on the future. I'll choose the Knicks to get Paul. They can give them an expiring in Curry, some youth, possibly picks. Lakers have won their last two titles without an all-star point guard so I don't see them pushing for the trade. Plus if Bynum stays healthy he would have a much bigger impact then Paul IMO.

Shut your mouth.

No, you're a homer in the fact that you don't respect anyone elses opinion and dismiss them because all you believe in is your opinion and that opinion is always right. You're a homer in the fact that when anyone presents you with cold hard facts you call them; a. an idiot b. a homer themselves or c. say "you mad because blah is better then blah because blah?" That is your basis point for all conversations, and that is why I, personally don't argue with you. That's all I'm going to say.

here is the quote I'm thinking about right now that I really like: ‎"Love me or hate me, it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved, for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

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Enjoy the rest of them by not posting on OTR anymore.

So, Puyol scored a goal against Germany to send Spain to the finals and Iniesta scored a game winning goal in the World Cup Finals to win n the Cup. Which goal was bigger in your opinion?

"Morally wrong" is not the appropriate term because he barely said anything. Again, his "opinion" was not the problem, it was his wordage. It was moronic. He should care about being a moron, definitely. This is getting redundant. I didn't answer your question because it is so far off the topic, but fine: Completely different forums. Wade was speaking to the media in a formal setting. South Park is a deliberately controversial TV show that is meant to entertain. Not related. You are stretching a small issue into a topic that is far too broad, Poe. Chill.

You gotta start realizing you aren't as funny as you think you are lolol

Good news for Boston. Nate Robinson is a great back up for Rondo and could light up pretty fast from the 3 point range.

You just completely contradicted yourself. First you say he's way better than Nene, who is a proven starting center in the NBA. Then you say you can't compare him to anyone in the NBA because he hasn't played in a legit professional game yet. You can't compare rookies to any NBA player until you have seen how they perform against legitimate competition. Summer league does not count, which is why I'm not trying to get too excited over how John Wall will do in his first year.

First of all.. you're really underrating Cousins. Right now, as I see him playing so far, he's way better then Nene. And we can't compare him to any NBA until you actually see him playing a NBA game as Poe said it

I can't agree with you on that. Are you talking only about the Timberwolves positive side? because you should also talk about Miami negative side. I mean it's not that negative but the Heat are not a three man team. They need a nice core to make them win and Michael Beasley was a great guy that could of made us win sometimes. Even though they traded him for money (which isn't too bad because they could get another player like Shaq, Richard Jefferson, or someone else), I think it was smarter to keep Beasley. They maybe traded him because they were fed up of him. Anyways, I don't like that for the Heat. can't agree more on that. Blake will work perfectly in the Lakers triangle offense. And as you said he has great basketball IQ, which I love to see in the NBA. He's a good three point shooter, and Lakers aren't a great three point shooting team so he's the right guy for Lakers. LA was trying to find a PG and I think this guy will do a great job.