Why are you nut-hugging MJ in this topic? Low FG%? Jordan shot 50% easily, right? Do you know how many guards shot 50%, 15+ PPG, when Jordan was playing? 1. Otis Birdsong 2. Rolando Blackman 3. Mo Cheeks 4. Walter Davis 5. Sherman Douglas 6. Clyde Drexler 7. Joe Dumars 8. Blue Edwards 9. Dale Ellis 10. Sleepy Floyd 11. George Gervin 12. Penny Hardaway 13. Derek Harper 14. Ron Harper 15. Jeff Hornacek 16. Jay Humphries 17. Kevin Johnson 18. Magic Johnson 19. Reggie Lewis 20. Lewis Lloyd 21. Jeff Malone 22. Sarunas Marciulionis 23. Reggie Miller 24. Gary Payton 25. Drazen Petrovic 26. Terry Porter 27. Paul Pressey 28. Mark Price 29. Alvin Robertson 30. Byron Scott 31. Derek Smith 32. Kenny Smith 33. John Stockton 34. Sedale Threatt 35. Doug West After 1996, until 2003 (when Jordan retired), not one guard shot 50% and scored 15 PPG or more. From 1996 (Kobe's draft year) until the 2004-2005 season, no guard shot 50% and scored 15 PPG or more. Since Kobe was drafted, only these players have done it... 1. Monta Ellis 2. Steve Nash 3. Tony Parker 4. Chris Paul 5. Deron Williams Credit Imadul at TLN for that list. Are you seriously going to throw that mess out there for me? Again, it's easy to make a player look bad. Jordan was stuck in a box by Gary Payton. Bryon Russell was screwing with his brain. Why bring up what Kobe has done in the Finals, and try to compare that to Jordan? The Utah Jazz were 17th in the NBA, defensively, when Jordan shot bad against them in the NBA Finals. Bryon Rusell and Jeff Hornacek were defending Jordan. Karl's Sonics had a 102.1 defensive rating, second in the league, mainly because of Gary Payton. Would you like to know the 2004 Pistons' defensive rating? 95.4. Boston was also under 100. Both the 2004 Pistons and the 2008 Celtics were among the best defensive teams the league has seen in the last two decades. The 1986 Celtics held opponents to 46% shooting. The 2008 Celtics held them to 41.9% from the floor. The 2004 Pistons? Opponents shot 41.3% against them. Has Jordan ever faced a defense like that in the NBA Finals? Nope...not even close. OPP FG% & Defensive Rating, Finals teams vs. Jordan... 1991 Lakers: 46.2%, 105.0 1992 Blazers: 45.4%, 104.2 1993 Suns: 47.9%, 106.7 1996 Sonics: 43.8%, 102.1 1997 Jazz: 43.8%, 104.0 1998 Jazz: 43.9%, 105.4 OPP FG% & Defensive Rating, Finals teams vs. Kobe... 2000 Pacers: 44.6%, 103.6 2001 Sixers: 42.9%, 98.5 2002 Nets: 42.9%, 99.5 2004 Pistons: 41.3%, 95.4 2008 Celtics: 41.9%, 98.9 2009 Magic: 43.3%, 101.9 2010 Celtics: 45.1%, 103.8 Please dude...give me a break. To justify Duncan's "eliteness" over Kobe, you use Jordan as your weapon of choice, then you start slamming Bryant's Finals performances? You talk about how bad Phoenix was defensively (help defense), but you ignore Bell and Marion...say that those man defenders didn't matter. Teams had to commit to doubles against Jordan, or else they couldn't double him...not so much in this era. A few YT highlights aren't going to prove that he was doubled, or tripled, as much as Bryant. Not only that, but you said it yourself earlier: the Spurs ran three or four of the greatest defensive teams of all-time when they were winning their rings...just another opponent with elite defenders (Duncan and Bowen) attempting to keep Bryant at bay. Yeah dude, we get it: Jordan is incredible. He's the GOAT. We don't need to be told that over and over again.