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Wow, can't believe I missed this thread before...some ridiculously retarded logic going on here. I really don't know where to start. Some of my post will have to do with the MJ-Kobe debate since that's all ECN keeps bringing up. -MJ didn't make his teammates better offensively? The Bulls went from being the 2nd ranked offense in 92-93 to the 14th ranked offense in 93-94, including a decline in team FG% and 3pt%. Most of the Bulls team in MJ's last season before retirement had a down year in terms of shooting percentages, but the previous few seasons Pippen and Grant had much higher FG% than any season without MJ, and guys like Armstrong did take a hit without MJ. In the 93-94 post-season, Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, Paxson, Cartwright, and Williams, all of the main players from the 93 championship team, had a decline in shooting percentage from the previous post-season with MJ. The Bulls barely made the top 10 in offense the season MJ came back for 20-30 games, and the next time MJ had a full season with the team they shot to the best offense in the NBA. FYI, the Lakers have NEVER finished as the top ranked offense in the league since Kobe came into the league. Oh, and what often goes overlooked about that 94-95 team was they were only .500 and barely in the playoff hunt before MJ came, and then they ended the season on a 17-3 (I believe) run, even with MJ very rusty and out of the game for a year and a half. -He got carried to the championship by Horace [expletive]ing Grant and Dennis Rodman? You have got to be kidding me. Neither Grant or Rodman ever made an All-Star team, or All-NBA team during any of MJ's championships. Rodman was an all-star twice in his career (late '80's/early '90's with the Pistons) and Grant made 1 in his career (93-94). Both played vital roles in those championship teams, but MJ was far and away the best and most important player. If you are going to say MJ was carried to his titles by those players, then what the hell do you call what Shaq and Gasol did for Kobe? Shaq won an MVP with Kobe on his team, won all 3 Finals MVP's, had the better regular and post-season numbers, and had higher recognition at the time and in retrospect. Gasol was an all-star who led the Grizzlies to multiple 50-win seasons, and you can make an arguement he should have won the 2010 Finals MVP (though I'd disagree). -Almost every stat, either basic or advanced, shows MJ was better than Kobe. Single-season and career PPG, single-season and career APG, single-season and career RPG, single-season and career FG%, single-season and career SPG, single-season and career BPG, single-season and career TOV%, single-season and career PER, single-season and career WS, single-season and career WS/48, single-season and career TS%, single-season and career TRB%, single-season and career AST%, single and career post-season PPG, single and career post-season PPG, single and career post-season APG, single and career post-season RPG, single and career post-season SPG, single and career post-season BPG, single and career post-season FG%, single and career post-season PER, single and career post-season TS%, single and career post-season PER.....the list goes on and on. -While playing one less season than Kobe, MJ has one more championship, 4 more Finals MVP's, 4 more regular-season MVP's, one more DPOY, one more All-Star appearance, one more All-NBA 1st team, 8 more scoring titles, same amount of All-Defensive 1st teams, and 1 more ROTY. In other words, he'll never reach MJ in terms of accolades. -MJ got All-Defensive teams he didn't deserve. Maybe, maybe not, but I can tell you first hand Kobe has not deserved the majority of his in the last 5-6 years either. For him to be ahead of guys like Tony Allen, Wade, Sefolosha, and Bogans at the G positions is ridiculous. From 05-07 he was lazy as hell defensively and consistently got burned, but got his 1st team selections off reputation, just like you are saying MJ did. And I can tell you when MJ was locked in, he was a better one-on-one defender than Kobe ever was, and he made more of an impact in the passing lanes (led the league in steals 3x) and with weakside blocks as well. Those are just the facts I presented. I can give you an actual analysis of MJ and Kobe, their actual games, if you prefer. But, I think when it comes to MJ's greatness and overall what he's done in his career, it clearly outshines what Kobe has done...that is something that CANNOT be argued. The only arguement you can make for Kobe is over hypothetically what they are capable of as players, but there is no question MJ dominated the league and acquired the kind of stats and accolades that Kobe never will.

The bigger question is, will OTR still be up? Yes, and I'll be running it.

But what exactly am I disagreeing with you about? That Kerr would make a good addition to ESPN? Nobody's arguing that. That Kerr has a contract? You can't disagree that Kerr has a contract. Now let me illegally download my computer nerd stat porn in peace. It helps me get over the fact that I've never played in a significant basketball game in my life (though my team in basketball class during my senior year of undergrad made it to the championship game! Number 2 out of 6! Take that red, white, gold, and black teams!!!)

Oh, and I also find it hilarious you say this... ...then go on to say this... Seems like a contradiction. You admit that having 2 HoF players on the team doesn't necessarily make you a great team and that a team like that can be beat with a stronger collection of player, yet in the next quote you completely dismiss that fact.

Good for you, keep waiting for next year. If you want to be cocky and make outlandish guarantees then stop whining about receiving hate.

This is just becoming stupid. Cleveland, and all Ohio for that matter need to get the hell over LeBron leaving. They are so [expletive]ing obsessed with him it's pathetic. Also, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Heat win it all next year and the start of a dynasty begins. Seriously, Cleveland and people in general need to get over it. LeBron spoiled their asses for years, so they can go watch the rest of their shitty ass teams.

He wasn't being a prick, he was just explaining why the Kerr thing won't happen, and he did so politely. You're the one who overreacted and was a prick. Even when you were being a prick he was being respectful and thorough, even though he should have just told you to [expletive] yourself.

The point I was trying to make is that that figure is absurdly high and tells me we need to do something real quick about the way we distribute our welfare.

Good, I'd rather it being going to our own people than to a senseless war that is killing our people.

My boss' father was a sportswriter in Arizona (where Steve Kerr went to college) who knew about the family. My boss is going for a doctorate in political science and has studied Steve's father extensively. When I told him about how I was at a luncheon where I met Steve Kerr he took the opportunity to fill me in on the life of Dr. Malcolm Kerr. He himself isn't a sports fan, but because of his father, his studies, and my profession, we arrived at a point of conversation that I thought was pretty cool, each of us negotiating our lenses of what we knew of the family and how we knew of them. If you can't find appreciation in that, and want to research a little bit about cool people, well, you probably have a very insular way of looking at the world. And I'll speak to you like a human being, the way you deserve to be spoken to. If you're in Brooklyn anytime soon, I'll gladly tell you face to face that getting upset at every minor thing and being that insecure probably won't take you far. There's no shame in being wrong. I once called Dirk the 10th best power forward in the game (HaHA, remember that guys!!!). Telling people to watch their mouths and insinuating that you'd fight them...over the internet...about a comment regarding Steve Kerr's contract, well don't you just look big and tough with your threatening words while you're halfway across the country. This is a forum to talk basketball. Talk basketball. Oh well, enjoy your significant basketball games. I have some family history statistical porn to google and illegally download.

Source Holy sequels right? A lot of the movies on this list I will definitley be seeing. Seems like Will Smith has been working quite a bit lately, and I think it's awesome that the rock is going to be in G.I. Joe. I have a lot of thoughts on all these movies but I'll let you guys stir up discussions and I'll join in... What is your top 5 movies? Jeremy Renner or Matt Damon? The Hobbit?! The Expendables a sequel? Blah

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HBP0O7QMr8 just like im going thru this shit, and makes me think

Asks the pissed-off fan with the VC avatar and Ellis sig. Had me laughing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpkMHNlReIg lmao

People act like just cuz he's like 26 or 27 he'll be able to play at a top level forever. He's been in the NBA for 8 seasons now. It's definitely taken a toll on his body. I'd be surprised if he played a top top level like he's been playing for more than the next 2 seasons. I think by 30 we will see his body start to break down. His game is not suited to play a slower pace and be less athletic. No post game / no reliable jumper will = trouble for LBJ as he ages

Michael is really overrated though. The media treat him like he's untouchable. He was great, but he was the media's creation, everyone licks his _____. He's not my GOAT, but he's better then Kobe.

Only doing this for his rep, IMO

Classless.

I think you focus way too much on what the world thinks, he will be remembered in the US with no doubt. Do you remember the best soccer player from the 1920's? Best golfer? Best hockey player? Yeah, I think Ruth is here to stay...

So? You guys threw a parade and said winning more than 7 championships was going to be easy before a single game was even played. How do you think people are going to react after you basically talked shit on the entire league. Stop whining.

Well to me, Manu is the clear cut 3rd best SG in the league after Kobe and Wade. He's more efficient, better shooter, better defender, better passer, better rebounder, I would much rather have the ball in his hands on my team than Ellis. Then I think it's a toss up between the rest depending on who you ask but personally I have Joe Johnson 4th, Monta 5th and then Gordon. I think a lot of the younger players (relative to how long they've been in the league, I know Monta is still young himself) like EG, Harden, Tyreke etc are all set to take a big step next year and could possible overtake Monta.

First off, that's not the entire video. The entire video is right here. http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhybzCoVOT1inZ6Dq2 Secondly, the dumb black kid was looking for a fight. You don't bring a [expletive]ing camera with you or start filming with a phone if you aren't looking for a fight, especially if you are putting it on WSHH. Third, the old guy never should have said he was a typical black and multi-color Fourth the dumb black kid pretty much threatened to kill the old mans dog. This is pretty much the sterotypical black punk. It's stupid that these sterotypes exist, but this kid is a perfect example of why lots of people have sterotypes about black people. They were looking for a fight. It's pretty hypocritical for the punk to say he's offended by the guy being racial, but he says he's going to "go all black on you". If that black kid brought a pitbull on my property and I had one of my pets outside, you better believe that dog would have ten bullets in its ass. Again, the old guy shouldn't have made the racial comment, which had little do with the shove anyways, but the black kid and his punk friends were looking for a fight. Also, did the kid think saying he was from Texas made him sound tough? .

Agreed. It's also this type of attitude that is making players want to join up with their "friends" to create a super-team.