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All 30 team forums should be updated. As always, if you can't see the changes, you may need to refresh your browser. The HTML will almost always change for you, but CSS usually needs the refresh (so, you may see links and text from the footer, for instance, but you may not see the footer's background).

Jazz - http://otrbasketball.com/jazz/roster.php

Thanks man. I think the all-time rosters are the toughest. It's not the fact that I have to put them together, it's more about finding the color pictures for some of the older players, haha.

Honestly, he doesn't need to. He needs the rest.

Alright... Celtics - http://www.otrbasketball.com/celtics/roster.php Bobcats - http://www.otrbasketball.com/bobcats/roster.php Bulls - http://www.otrbasketball.com/bulls/roster.php Bucks - http://www.otrbasketball.com/bucks/roster.php Blazers - http://www.otrbasketball.com/trailblazers/roster.php Cavaliers - http://www.otrbasketball.com/trailblazers/roster.php Clippers - http://www.otrbasketball.com/clippers/roster.php Grizzlies - http://www.otrbasketball.com/grizzlies/roster.php Hawks - http://www.otrbasketball.com/hawks/roster.php Heat - http://www.otrbasketball.com/heat/roster.php Hornets - http://www.otrbasketball.com/hornets/roster.php Only 19 more.

Does anyone else think Sin Cara is dead? That powerbomb was ridiculous. I didn't think Sheamus was going to do that.

One of two things is happening: 1) Punk is really leaving, and Vince wants to merge the two shows and have one champ, so he gets rid of the worst championship belt (it's trash, for real). 2) It's all in the script, and Punk has already signed.

Refresh and let me know if it looks better.

I would go nuts if they did a double turn...but, with that said, if Cena were to turn heel, it would mean that Punk turns face. I'm not sure how else they would be able to work that out. Cena loses to Punk, Vince brings out the Raw MITB winner (let's say he's a face), Punk loses to him, and Cena beats the hell out of him after the match (and Punk gets it from Cena as well). The next night, on Raw, Cena blames the fans for his loss...says the split crowd has him off, or something, and he's done with the WWE. Maybe he whines about a conspiracy, says the true conspiracy isn't targeting Truth, but it's him being disrespected by all of the wrestlers backstage, and by Vince, to the point where he's having to defend his title constantly, fight tag teams in handicap matches, etc, just so someone else could win the belt. I don't know. That's how it would all go down in the Attitude Era, at least. I think a Cena heel turn is going to happen someday, but it's just so damn hard to see him turn his back on all of the women and children that buy all of his shit, cheer him on, and think he's a hero. I guess I felt the same about Hogan, though, but that wasn't Vince's decision, either.

Just stop...in all of the bumped topics.

I figured something wasn't right on the team roster. Nice that HoopsHype can't keep their salaries updated. I might as well go check all the teams and make sure I have the right info on these team rosters. :wallbash3:

Ignore that. I got him and Motiejunas mixed up. Valanciunas (sp?) is the one that plays like Asik.

Depends. Certain sanctions could prevent them from re-signing Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph, which will hurt the team enough, in the present, to bring about more relocation rumors.

Does it keep telling you that you have an invalid ID or password?

Tonight at 8 ET.

Thinking about changing my prediction. I have a feeling Cena is going to turn heel (uh huh, huge prediction there). It could change the way the match rolls.

Those roster pages I had up earlier are now back online...just had to add the new header and footer, and rewrite a few pieces of code.

They aren't similar in that regard (even if Kanter did end up playing for Kentucky last year, Koufos would still have the US high school basketball to fall back on), but much of the hype that Koufos carried with him was based on his FIBA play, in that Under-18 tourney that he dominated. Had that not happened, there was no way any team takes him in the first round, and he would've fallen to the mid or late second. When he was at Ohio State, everyone had high expectations, because they were so used to what Oden was doing in the middle. He couldn't rebound the ball well back at OSU, and he wasn't that great of a scorer. He dominated HS basketball, of course, but that's largely due to his size, and scouts didn't forget about Kwame Brown and what he was able to do based on his size back in HS.

I'm assuming you did, when you added your birthday at registration, lol.

Kosta Koufos. Before he was drafted...not soft, good footwork, good hands, decent defense, better scorer than Kanter, limited proof that he was going to be a good player...so teams didn't fall for the hype, and for a good reason. The record number of international players selected tells me that teams are becoming more content with gambling on these guys, which isn't a good thing. Again, I selected Kanter only because I assumed Utah was going to keep Harris. Jan and Jonas aren't great fits in Utah, really; Jonas is more like Bargs, and Vesely isn't an NBA center. But, if it's about taking the gamble, sure, it's Kanter. If you're dealing Harris (which seems possible, considering the rumors we were hearing right when they acquired him), there's no reason not to look at Kemba or Brandon. A hit-or-miss pick shouldn't happen at #3. Somewhere later in the lottery, yes, but not if you're in the top three.

Change your details, original ECN. And yeah, I'm glad they got life, and glad that she wasn't found dead in a forest. Free bacon for life would be incredible.

How many times have we seen an international player do absolutely nothing in the NBA, let alone big men in general? Hit or miss is probably correct with Kanter, with Nolan Ryan throwing a marble instead of a baseball. Knight was arguably the second-best point guard in the NCAA (although I'll give it to Walker, but people will argue). That's already far more impressive than Kanter knocking a 50-year old ex-NBA player out of bounds during pre-draft camp.

This basically tells me that you're going to be a bit biased. You've been high on Kemba for a month before the draft (that I've noticed, probably longer), which more than likely pushes Knight out of the picture. Out of the entire draft class? Why not Irving? Walker is a score-first combo guard that is more like Dwyane Wade than he is a true point. If Brandon Knight could benefit from being in a weak draft class, what was the case with Kanter, who didn't even play a single minute of college ball last year? If you you didn't see what was so great about Knight, how did you see anything with Kanter?

That's what they did when they found Deron Williams, who ended up leaving them because Utah wasn't contending. And while John Stockton was an amazing pass-first point guard, he wasn't the guy leading them to the NBA Finals. He may be one of the greatest PG's of all-time, but Karl Malone was the superior player. I see no reason for the Jazz to run away from a score-first PG, especially if you consider what they've done post-Malone/Stockton.

Because of age (he's going to be 29 before next season ends, if we actually have one) and salary (he's a $9 million player that has two years left, and will demand that money in an extension).