Real Deal

Yeah, I never really actually talked about that day (or the couple of days after). Basically, the hack happened through an SQL injection (says my old host). A week before that (or around that time), my hard drive fried...so I didn't have any of my backups, didn't have banner PSD's, nothing. I also lost all of those player pages and images I worked on. So, I asked the host for a backup, and they told me they didn't have any...which blew my mind, and if there was any way I could tell you guys, accurately, how pissed off I was...you'd be shocked. We (as a site) lost about 4 1/2 years of posts, and all of the work I had done on the team and player pages...it was gone. I ended up slamming my fist on my desk really hard, and it busted off a chunk of it, so I had to go buy a new desk. Someone said a guy was bragging about it on another site, but I never found out who. I think someone was paid to do it. I had updated the site frequently, and it would take a very knowledgeable person to hack into these forums OR Wordpress (both were being used at that time as well). I don't remember shutting the board down in that year. I did that in June or July 2008 (because of how bad it was getting for Lakers fans, after losing to Boston, and the personal attacks were insane). The board was hacked in June or July 2009, a year later. A lot of people (people I won't bother naming) decided not to come back to OTR after the posts were lost. I have no idea why, honestly. A few were really good members, had a good relationship with everyone, one was on staff if I recall correctly, but they walked. I was irate about losing 600k posts, but I didn't feel like that was a good reason to leave, but I'll leave it at that. I might as well just change them back for both of you. It's been long enough.

I'm starting to respect CM Punk's mic skills, but there's nobody in wrestling (past or present) as good on the mic as Rock.

By position, give me your worst starters in the NBA. Each player must have started at least 42 games (over half a season). C - PF - SF - SG - PG - If you need a list of those that started 42+ games last year... CLICK ME

Trying to get these team rosters done...at 5 AM. I have up to the Nuggets right now, and I'll probably find as much time as I can tomorrow to get near the end. I don't have a damn thing on my plate the entire day, which is shocking. http://www.otrbasketball.com/celtics/roster.php There's Boston's roster page (for those who never saw it, or don't remember me posting it). It's the only page I actually have completed right now (the database entries were what I was talking about above).

It's funny how people are. They'll ask why I still watch it (and I actually did stop for a long time, but I started watching again just for the hell of it). I'll say it's entertaining, and they'll call it fake. They've never been in a real wrestling ring. I've probably told this story before, but I've landed on a mat, in a real ring, and it absolutely sucked. I have no idea how those guys do it over and over again, especially from a top rope. It's basically plywood and a thin foam padding. Not to mention, I've seen a lot of accidents in the ring. I saw Sid snap his leg, Austin break his neck, Brock nearly kill himself, Triple H screwing up a couple of Pedigrees, and Foley hitting the concrete. It may not be as exciting as it was in the late 80s, 90s, or even the first half of the 2000s, but the storylines still have a little value, and there are still a few good wrestlers out there.

Like I said multiple times already, it's easy to sit there and find explanations for every little thing, but you aren't connecting them AND THEN giving me an explanation. Just as one of the jurors pointed out, it's not their job to connect the dots. That's an incorrect statement, but I'll stop there because that's exactly why Casey is free.

Speculation and physical evidence are two different things, but for the last time, I understand that a video of Casey Anthony duct-taping her baby's mouth after she killed her was required, so I see where some of you stand at this point.

Easy. In no particular order... 1) Lakers/Celtics, 2008 NBA Finals. That was a killer. I hate talking about it. 2) Lakers/Suns, 2006 Playoffs. I hate Tim Thomas, and I'll never forget us not being able to grab a damn rebound, which would've ENDED THE SERIES. 3) Raiders/Patriots, AFC Championship Game, the Tuck Rule garbage...won't go any further. 4) Raiders/Bucs, when we were completely RAN OVER in the Super Bowl by Gruden, because we were too stupid to change anything from the previous season. 5) Lakers/Pistons, 2004 Finals, the entire series sucked. I lost so much money. I'll stop at five. The Mavs/Lakers series (this season) was a stinger as well.

LOL. John Morrison. ------------ WWE Championship If Cena loses, he's fired; Punk promises to leave regardless John Cena © vs. CM Punk World Heavyweight Championship Randy Orton © vs. Christian The Big Show vs. Mark Henry WWE Divas Title Kelly Kelly © vs. Brie Bella Raw MITB Ladder Match Rey Mysterio vs. Alberto Del Rio vs. R-Truth vs. Evan Bourne vs. Kofi Kingston vs. The Miz vs. Jack Swagger vs. Alex Riley Smackdown MITB Ladder Match Kane vs. Sheamus vs. Wade Barrett vs. Justin Gabriel vs. Heath Slater vs. Sin Cara vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Cody Rhodes (huge leap here) Bonus Questions: Will CM Punk leave as he promised, no matter the outcome? McMahon and Punk are up to something. No. Will Vince McMahon play a part in the WWE Title match? Yes. He'll screw over Cena or Punk, one or the other. Will the MITB contract be cashed in during the show? If so, who and for what title? Yes, for Cena's belt (whoever wins the match). Del Rio takes it. Which match will last the longest? MITB Raw match. Figured I'd take a few steps outside of your typical WWE PPV. I have a feeling Vince is changing things up a bit. Either I'm right and it's an amazing prediction, or I'm terribly wrong, lol.

Not sure what else to say to you. You haven't been around long enough to see tons of people get put away without DNA evidence, I guess. You trying to explain how a jury's early verdict is a good thing and is acceptable...is actually you just wanting someone to talk to you about it, unless you're Casey Anthony. Sorry.

Nope. The answer? Not enough information. I only told you the post count averages for 50 of our members, not the rest...pfft. Got you with the old middle school math trick.

Just finished watching something on MSNBC. http://dateline.msnbc.com Go on there and look for the Sweetwater County case, the Mystery at Lost Dog Road (Bob Duke). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZEOaBXQF1s There's a six-part video on Youtube for it. Long story short, he claims his wife and 5-year old son fell off a cliff, by accident. There was no evidence (physical or forensic) that he pushed them off, at all, yet he ended up getting life in prison because he asked an old buddy of his to kill his parents, and a girl testified that she was with him while he was married, and he had lied about never being on that cliff before. Needing DNA, or a cause of death, to put someone away? There are so many guilty verdicts that didn't need it. At the end of the day, Casey Anthony got away with murder because the jury: 1) didn't know all of the evidence 2) was prematurely set on the not guilty verdict before the trial was over 3) felt the only thing acceptable was DNA evidence + a cause of death If Anthony had lit Caylee on fire and basically cremated her, again, there would be no way anyone could ever have a cause of death...and what DNA evidence could be pulled from ashes dumped into water? She could've done both of those, and nothing would have put her away for good? And that's supposed to be "the law" and why a jury would find her not guilty? I don't believe that, at all. It shouldn't take 15-16 different reasons why she killed her own child...but it did, yet that wasn't enough. She probably is still angry about not being able to convict OJ, because he also got away with murder. The ONLY reason why he wasn't convicted was because those gloves didn't fit his hands, and that is just insane. If the jury had access to the media, they would've heard all of the evidence, had the dots connected for them, and could've made a better decision. You can say they needed sequestered to understand the decision, but you were watching the television, and you're providing me reasons as to why their decision was correct. To say the jury didn't adopt the same ideas earlier in the trial is an understatement. They were done with it. They came to the conclusion that they needed DNA evidence, or this wasn't happening. The third juror really told us this, and from what we've heard coming out of the mouths of a few others in the jury, most of them believed Casey actually did it. That tells you right there that they were dead set on looking for DNA evidence, NOT connecting the dots, and that's simply bad practice. That's not how a jury of 12 is supposed to operate, and it's exactly why Casey will be out next Sunday.

Incredible read, written by an OJ prosecutor. First, she tells how a sequestered jury leads to everyone in the group thinking alike (didn't even know the jury was sequestered, which is another reason why this shit went south so quickly). Then... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/08/casey-anthony-trail-the-sequestered-jury-fell-prey-to-idiotic-groupthink.html Love it. Also, Juror #3's answers to everything she was asked were ridiculous, and just more proof that she (and the rest of the jury) were ignorant.

Deeeee.

Sounds like the one, I don't remember their names.

LOL, nice job not putting anything together, rather just explaining everything individually. This all happened at once. This isn't you trying to explain all of your screw-ups while you were in elementary school.

I'm not really surprised. I never had a feeling he would make it back as a full-time player. The 24-minute max last year (before he injured himself again) basically gave it away for me. He was supposedly going to play cautiously, strengthen the ankle/foot, and gradually increase the minutes after a certain period of time, but truthfully, that injury should've already healed up enough for him to play over half a game. When you factor in his weight and the ongoing problems he was having, this just doesn't shock me. Once the rumors started pouring in that he was thinking about retiring, well, that was it for me. If the injury is that bad, after the rehabilitation time he has had two or three separate times, he wasn't coming back.

I have three friends that all went to law school (maybe others, but three that I talk to every now and then), and I can tell you that, once you walk in, you have to be thinking about the bar exam immediately. Everything you do is for the bar, and it's incredibly tough. Long hours, too...not just to study for the bar, but to just keep your head above water and, well, into the books and all of the cases and laws you'll be going through. One girl I know went to Notre Dame for Philosophy, then over to Villanova for Law, and she's preparing for the bar right now...keeps talking about crunch time, how everything else is out the window, social life is absent at this time, lol...sounds super fun. Crazy stuff, but it's not like it's an impossible feat, either. I'm sure you can do it, as long as you're dedicated. Good luck with everything, if you decide to go that route.

1) Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving Vote, then explain.

I'll go ahead and end this one...big win for Irving (who I voted for). Basically, I'm looking for the most potential, at a more important position in the league, and that's Irving. Williams is the better player right now, in my opinion, but I just can't pass on Kyrie.

1. Tom Brady 2. Peyton Manning 3. Aaron Rodgers 4. Drew Brees 5. Philip Rivers (ew) Brady and Manning are interchangeable, really. Both are up and down, but I've stated over and over that Brady is the best QB in the league, and I have to stick with that. Rodgers and Brees was tough. Honestly, I gave the nod to Rodgers because he won the Super Bowl, and I think the surprise factor has hit me too many times with him. Once Favre took off, I was certain the Packers would struggle at the QB position. I didn't expect Rodgers to turn into one of the best in the NFL. I can't stand Rivers and his attitude, but I like him over Big Ben and that Matt Leinart guy that sits on the bench for the Cardi...I mean, the Texans. Three TD's in his last four seasons.

It's really odd. I don't see Kobe wanting guys like him because they defend him well...he never really wanted Battier on his team, nor did he come out and say he wanted Prince...but guys like Barnes and Ron were both guys that defended him well AND got in his face, ready to fight. Pietrus was almost to that point a few times, and he was very physical with LeBron one year. Ironically, he wanted Raja Bell, also...another who clotheslined him and was into trading elbows with Bryant. I actually like that he's doing stuff like this, but I'm not THAT big of a fan of Pietrus, either.

Yes. 1) She saw her last. 2) She had searched for chloroform, breaking necks, and death on her computer (they didn't prove those searches to be false, because the mom was actually at work when they took place). 3) Her trunk had traces of chloroform in it. 4) A piece of Caylee's hair was in her trunk (part of the new scientific advancements they used). 5) She didn't report her missing for 31 days. 6) She lied about her being with a nanny for those 31 days, and rode that lie for years. 7) She lied about the drowning, because Caylee was not wearing a bathing suit (to swim) or pajamas (just waking up in the morning), and you don't put duct tape on your dead daughter's mouth after a drowning because the dead can't speak or breathe to begin with. 8) The same brand of duct tape was found at the house. 9) Caylee's blanket was missing from the home, found at the scene. 10) Casey's diary entry, dated in June (with no year, but obviously, it was current because of other contents written before and after that pertained to her current life), where she wrote that she had no regrets, but was a bit worried what would happen to her...and this was before she was arrested, and while Caylee was "missing." Said her life was better, with new friends. 11) Tied in with the diary entry, she gets a new tattoo while Caylee is "missing" that says "Bella Vita," which stands for the Beautiful Life (or good life), which she seemed to seek in her diary entry. 12) Fighting with her mom about how Caylee was a mistake, Casey would also want her mom to take care of Caylee more often, and witnesses (close friends) claimed that Casey did consider putting Caylee up for adoption, at one point. 13) Casey's happiest month of the last three years of her life? When she was partying during those 31 days that her daughter was missing, as proven by photos, her diary entry, and her spontaneous behavior. 14) Caylee first decomposed in the car (trash? haha...okay) and then, for months in the swamp/flood waters, which eliminated any proof of Caylee being drugged, poisoned, etc...and with the decomposition taking effect, plus the wild animals breaking and chewing her bones (which was stated), a broken neck was out of the question as well, further hiding the real cause of death. 15) Casey did not take the stand, because she had nothing more to say. She didn't have any other story, and she did not want to explain the "drowning" or getting rid of the body. She was advised that the case was over long before the closing statements. 16) She didn't give her daughter, the one she supposedly loved so much, a proper burial. I had a hard time letting my dog sat there for too long, once he passed away, because I didn't want him to decompose before my eyes, and I buried him ASAP. It's her own flesh and blood. The only people that put dead bodies in trunks of cars are murderers or hearse drivers. She's guilty. At some point, with all the evidence, there shouldn't be a need for DNA. A better story? No idea. She had two stories, though. The first one, had she stuck to it, would've landed her in prison. Once she changed it up, suddenly, there were ideas that she was covering the "accident" up, and so were her parents. Once she had her parents involved, with her dad being the one that found Caylee in the pool, it threw them into the fire as well, which gave the jury three people to think about. That's how the case was in her favor, all of a sudden. All through the trial, she was instructed to sit and listen, no emotion. This was obvious once it was over, and she was the happiest person in Florida. People can say she was sad, but she was fake as hell. She wasn't weeping when they were talking about Caylee...she cried about other things. At one point, she was grinding her teeth and pissed off at someone, for about five seconds, until she looked back into the direction of the camera and put on her "I'm fearless" mask. Whatever the law, it didn't matter for Simpson, so I doubt it'll be a big deal for her. ---------- I feel so involved in this case because I was interested (more interested, at one point) in another. Two parents had watched their own child burn in a house fire. Their child was mentally disabled, to the point where they were instructed (by the SRS, I believe) to reinforce the child's bed, and tie her to it. I have a cousin who is mentally disabled, not to the point where she's eating glass and paint chips, ripping up the rug (like this little girl was), but I related to this case a bit. Both parents ended up getting 40 years, if I recall correctly. One of them was actually burned, trying to rescue the daughter. But, because they had her tied up, no matter any instructions given, they were screwed over in the case. Casey Anthony killed her child, and she's basically getting six days in prison for it? She served the three years not because of that, but actually due to her stealing money and what-not. That's why I'm so pissed off. Yeah, the prosecution went for the death penalty, and we can all say they shouldn't have, but the laws need to change. The judge needs to decide that, once the jury finds him/her guilty. The jury should be given options as to what they need to find her guilty of, all based on what the sentencing should be, and that's that. If it's considered the best system in the world, it needs to prove it much better in some of the biggest cases we've ever seen, because you can't have ALL of those things hanging over your head, yet you walk for it. Even the talk that the jury only knew 1/6 of the evidence...that's jaw-dropping. Some things weren't allowed to be presented? Present it all. OJ's gloves didn't fit. Hey, if I actually had a brain, I'm going to wear smaller gloves, just so I can have something to prove my innocence. Or I'll plant them, whatever. The gloves are far too small? Cool, I'm free. Common sense thrown out the window. She's an ugly whore, nasty as can be, she wants ANOTHER kid (through birth, but she even stated she'd consider adoption), she wants to change her name, she came into the courtroom today like she was at a house party, giving a couple of cops the vibe that she wants to get nailed right there in court...it's just sick.

Those that are saying they understand the verdict are claiming that the prosecution shouldn't have went for the kill (literally...going for the death sentence). Look, that's ridiculous. If you're going to ask people if she's guilty or not, it shouldn't matter the potential sentence. What COULD happen to her doesn't change what she did or didn't do. You guys keep talking about the law, but the law says the jury makes the decision, the judge works the sentencing, and that's the bottom line. The jury had it in their hands, and they dropped the ball. Casey Anthony will make millions, have another kid or two (as she already stated), and she's going to smile and live her life better than all of us. Had the jury found her guilty, she would've been sentenced on Thursday. The judge wasn't going to say, "Uh, wait, this isn't going to go down because there was no DNA at the crime scene." That's what I don't understand, when you guys continue to say the jury couldn't get it done. They could've, but chose not to.

Well, a ton of current and former attorneys are shocked at the verdict, so I guess I'm in the same boat as them.