Real Deal

As I typed that, Bryant grabbed his eighth board, leading the team in points, rebounds and assists tonight (17/8/5). EDIT: 19 points.

Well, Bynum doesn't know how to stay in the game without committing four fouls in eight minutes (really?) and Gasol isn't giving us much. And, as I suspected, Harris is playing like he's a superstar. Go Kobe?

Shot doesn't have anything to do with the foul. Are you telling us you can't be called for a blocking foul if the opposition is passing the ball? He had position, he changed position. Once you change, you're not in position anymore. You can move a foot after finding position, but you can't shuffle both feet to adjust your entire body, as Bogut did. I'm not done only because I'm bored as hell, waiting for the Saints to come on. Just trying to educate a few around here, really. I'm sure I've been to more camps than you, and I'm sure I've also assisted in more camps, so when coaches stress to us what a blocking foul is, on both the high school and college basketball level, it applies to any game...especially since you're talking "basic basketball" with all of us. Order of events: 1) Bogut sets. 2) Kobe spins. 3) Bogut shuffles BOTH feet, re-positioning his body in front of Bryant after the spin and during contact with Bryant's right shoulder (if any at all). Question asked: 1) The rules state that all you have to do is be in front of the player to be in legal position, neither feet needing to be on the floor. Why are fouls called, multiple times, on bigs who jump with their arms straight up? 2) Why are fouls called, multiple times, on bigs who don't jump, yet have their arms up, when the offensive player initiates contact? 3) To get into legal position, you move. To maintain it, you stay put. Why move again? If anything, you have a case that it could be called either way...but using what you've said in the past, I don't see enough conclusive evidence that it was a charge, especially when Bogut's feet shuffled. You said that in most cases, they call blocking foul with shuffling feet. So, as I said, it is almost always (consistently) called a blocking foul. It shouldn't have changed versus the Bucks. My side of the argument really is done now. I'm out for dinner.

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Pushing for the Kings in this one. I don't think I've ever rooted for Sacramento in my life, but there's a first for everything. If they lose, I just hope Tyreke kills it. Best rookie in the league.

Gathering the shot happens when you pick up the ball. Bogut's right foot moved back, then forward, left foot slid to the left and back a bit. How about six pictures to show you? Hell, there was hardly any contact to begin with, so I could argue it was a big flop, no foul at all, if anything. http://i50.tinypic.com/243g68k.jpg [mason]You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong.[/mason]

February game.

I have other things to discuss on the forums, don't have time for this. Most of the site saw the opposite of what you saw, the referees did, I did, and Kobe did. You're wrong. Translate the rules a little better and watch much more basketball to see how many blocking fouls are actually called when a player's feet are still moving before you enter a discussion like this again, dude. The only time you ever discuss anything Kobe is in situations like this (you argued this when he dunked over Nash a long time ago, too), and the only time you discuss LeBron is when it involves something negative about him. You're quick to dive into any topic involving both players, and you won't listen to what anyone else says because, for some crazy reason, you believe you're right all the time. Blocking foul, possibly no continuation due to the travel, basic basketball and basic logic, everyone knows it and the discussion is over as far as I'm concerned. Have fun talking to yourself.

LOL, don't translate that the wrong way, Mason. That's not saying he can slide over, it's saying that he can move his body. See your next quote: Both feet on the floor. So let's go back to logic: when you move your feet, that means that you don't have both feet on the floor. Did Bogut float with both feet staying on the floor? He moved to get in front of Bryant, who was already going for the shot. He didn't teleport there, he didn't float, and he didn't slither. He shuffled, scooted, stepped, whatever...but he moved into ANOTHER position on the floor, which means he wasn't in position. How does this not sink in? Give up. You're just Pete Repeating yourself because you know you have no argument.

Man, I'm so sick of the NFL.

Yeah, dude, I'm sure I could find many, many clips of blocking fouls that would negate what you're saying, too. Anderson Varejao has drawn plenty of them moving into position. Fisher picks up a few blocking fouls doing the exact same thing, also, although he also draws a lot of charges. Too bad the Lakers fans from TLN aren't here, because this was something they proved wrong last year, when Flop Scola kept doing it to us, and they showed just how many of those were actually charges, and just how many times Fisher gets called for a blocking foul for doing what you're saying Bogut did. Hahaha, right, because that's all it's about for you. Kobe always travels, fouls, and never gets hit when going to the rim. He's always getting the benefit of his calls, and the Lakers are the most favored team in the NBA. I already know.

I think it was an OT game back in 2005, if I remember right (and I know for a fact it was in NY). Knicks won by a basket.

You didn't even answer the question. Why adjust if you're in position? He was adjusting because he wasn't in position. I can't believe that's so hard to understand. Moving his feet over more means he moves his body over more. Are his feet connected to his legs, connected to his body? Or are you telling me his body stayed in the same position, and his feet acted on their own and moved for no reason? There are no rules against adjusting when you have position, but there are rules saying that you have to be IN POSITION. To get in position, you have to move your feet. Moving your feet gets you in position. If you continue to move your feet, you continue to get into position. Basic logic is overwhelming in a debate about basic basketball. The dictionary defines adjusting as "to bring the parts of to a true or more effective relative position." Old position to new position...he wasn't in position. You're wrong.

It's never called that way on the court, even if what you saw was what actually happened. He was back-pedaling anyways. Most everyone here saw it with their own eyes, so I don't know what you were looking at. It's not a charge.

That's true. I just checked their cap situation. But hey, shouldn't matter, because pairing LeBron with Harris and Lopez (and probably Wall or Ed Davis), that would be more than enough to contend, and Bosh can go elsewhere.

Man, we need to get Aldrich more touches down low, and Collins has to stop turning the ball over. That second half was ugly, but we get the win.

That is, until LeBron signs?

As I said in the game topic, Paul dropping his 30/9/19 probably wasn't due to Billups being out, since he just blew past anyone trying to defend him to begin with (and Billups would've suffered as well). But, we'll see how this pans out. If Conley and a few others torch Denver in their next 3-4 games, maybe this hurts the Nuggets more than imagined, and maybe Lawson isn't ready yet. After all, Carter started at the point, not Lawson, in that game versus the Hornets. I don't know why.

I already knew what you were saying. I'm saying most of his misses probably came when teams could actually put two or three guys on him, and he was selfish enough not to pass the ball to anyone else. He was more likely going to miss game-winners back in 2006 than he would this season, not to mention the Lakers were actually losing a lot of close games back then.

GO CHAD! Man, I hope he goes through with the Henry jersey, and I wouldn't care if he caught for 300+ yards and six TD's, as long as he makes it a special moment for Henry. I think it would be AWESOME if, at the beginning of the game, before the toss, they put Palmer and Chad on the field, in the opposing endzone, and have Chad run a route, catch a pass and run the entire field for a TD, with Henry's jersey on.

Wow, those were depressing days.

Yep, and a TON of those probably came during the time they didn't have a post presence in Gasol or Shaq. C - Kwame PF - Odom SF - Walton SG - Kobe PG - Smush I don't think Kobe ever passed the ball on potential game-winners after Odom airballed one, and Walton didn't even shoot another. Those were two of the worst moments I remember from that time frame, especially that Walton situation against the Knicks, and Kobe was pissed. Every game-winning situation, the opposition would push Bryant 30 feet away from the rim, double him and force him to shoot the long, long, long three. I'm surprised Phoenix didn't run him back to the three in Game 4 in 2006, when he hit that jumper over Bell and Diaw.

@ Knicks (107-105) vs. Sixers (113-110) vs. Raptors (116-103) @ Heat (92-85) @ Bobcats (108-90) @ Spurs (90-83) @ Thunder (105-87) vs. Bucks (98-89) @ Wizards (104-102) @ Bulls (106-80) @ Grizzlies (110-105) Teams in bold are above 500. I tried to figure out what was happening in these games, but I can't. Home and road seems to make little difference. Boston beat three 500 teams, eight under...but they did beat a good Heat team in Miami. Boston struggles with teams that run? The Knicks get up and down the court quickly, and Philly does that as well. San Antonio has been running a little more than they usually have in the past, and even though the Spurs DOMINATED them on the glass (by 23 boards, 20-2 offensive rebounds), it was still a seven-point victory by the Celtics. Memphis runs, and Washington can get up and down the floor with versatile forwards. Ball movement could be it. It did help Philly, significantly, getting the ball into Brand quite a bit, which is the main reason they pulled out that one-point win. What about feeding the bigs? Duncan did well against them, and it was Blatche and Jamison who had big games against Boston, as well as Brand and Speights. David Lee did work on Boston, as well as Bogut and Ilyasova for Milwaukee, and Gasol and Randolph for Memphis. Are the Celtics struggling to defend opposing frontcourts?

LOL, something to look forward to every game, I guess (players coming out healthy). Devin Harris could destroy Fisher, though...and I wonder what no-name from New Jersey will torch us. There's always someone. Should be a big, big game for Gasol and/or Bynum, though. Lopez isn't a good defensive player, and there isn't much size to handle those two down low.