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Wish it was against a better team, but a win is a win. I'm happy.

What does "pretty much fact" mean? Haha, is that a scientific term I don't know about? Pretty much fact? And I say that you don't have proof because you don't. Don't say you do. Nobody was around to witness the event, nobody can tell anything from a rock, nobody on this Earth can produce something from nothing, and so your word is as good as mine. Case closed.

The Lakers were already contenders without Gasol, so all of that is irrelevant. And Slaven, you're saying that Kwame is more valuable than Marc Gasol? Figures. You've always been the best at judging talent.

I'm done with the debate. I'm going to go eat lunch, see if I can create it using nothing.

For some reason, I knew A-Rod was going to blast that homer, on that exact pitch. Just got that vibe, haha.

Right, because Shaq won so many more pre-Kobe, and Kobe didn't run that offense at all. So here's me using your example earlier against you again: who would you rather have, Duncan and Parker, or Kobe and Michael? Two duos. Parker and Duncan have a near dynasty together, while Jordan and Kobe...you just have no proof.

There are scriptures from people that you don't know. That's the same amount of evidence as a scientist reading a rock and telling you the Earth is older than what the Bible says it is. I can use that same logic. Prove to me that you can spread a disease...because maybe they can't be spread. Maybe it's just a coincidence that you get sick when around others. What exactly can you show me that proves otherwise? Same make up? How do you know, really? Science is created by man. If science was so accurate, why are theories proven false? They are developed because they are believed to be true, but then...they aren't? And for your example, how do you know it doesn't exist? I'm sure all of these colliding particles around us can create something you've never seen before, you know, all of these miniature big bangs going off in our presence, creating insects, flowers, rocks, planets and humans. Great explanation for everything, isn't it? Just as believable as God. POOF! A new boy, but with horse legs. Damn particles! Us Christians can throw the same ridiculous stones (and can probably find a lot of them to throw if we snag them out of thin air). Weird that those collisions never happen...ever. Just when the Earth was created, and then when other things were created...but so long ago, we've never seen them. Must not be true! Something more powerful than you created the Earth. It was God, it was light and energy, it was something, and until you can prove to me it was whatever you think it is, you have the same amount of proof I do, which (according to you) makes you wrong.

Haha...people are still whining. Boston snagged Garnett for Al Jefferson, and Ray Allen for a pick. I didn't see anyone punching babies for that trade when the Celtics won it all in 2008. In addition to that, everyone (including myself) was calling Gasol a soft player, saying how the trade didn't do anything but stick us in the Finals in 2008...but NOW, it's different, because we won. Didn't hear anyone whining about Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton, because they lost in 2004. Didn't hear anyone whine about Carter to Orlando, because they haven't won anything with him. Didn't hear anyone whine about Shaq to Cleveland for a worthless Big Ben, because they haven't won anything with him. Didn't hear anyone whine about Shaq to Phoenix with Nash and Amare, since they didn't win. Boo hoo. If your team had a true superstar and a winner, and a smart owner, with a history of winning, and played in a great city, I guess you wouldn't be whining, either.

Well when you ask about Zeus, expect all of us to answer you by saying not all pieces of one puzzle fit on another. A fact is proven to be true. Until you prove to me that God doesn't exist, and cite examples explaining how the universe was created, your opinion is as good as mine, and we're still at square one.

How do you know this to be true? I'm going to need proof.

Ah, good one...except it's the same logic. You say humans created God, which means he doesn't exist. If that's your proof, then it means that every human-created thing does not exist. If we're expected to choose our words wisely, you should do the same. Either you have a better reason that doesn't stump the Big Bang Theory or Evolution...or you don't...simple as that.

Research is created by humans...or a rock. You tell me.

Now wait. Science was invented by humans as well. So were statistics. I'm guessing all stats and science are irrelevant now, right?

Right, but as a General Manager, you really don't have a book that tells you how players will play together, you just have to assume by their individual games. And I guess that will draw blood about Kobe and LeBron both wanting the ball, but if we all look at Kobe and Shaq's averages in that second and third championship seasons, you'll see how irrelevant that can be to the argument.

They were a contender without Gasol. Denver won 54 games last season and hit the WCF. The Lakers were on pace to win 54 games right before Gasol's first game with us in 2008 (vs. the Hawks). We were 31-16, which included a 20-5 stretch of games without Gasol, where we went 11-1 (seven consecutive wins to start January). Funny enough, the Lakers were 9-8 by December 2nd. From that point on, we went 22-8 before Gasol came to the Lakers. That's on pace to win 60 games without Pau.

So you would rather have MJ and Pippen than: Jordan, Magic and Bird Because MJ and Pippen proved to win six titles, while that amazing trio didn't?

I can't prove it, but there has to be something or someone of a higher, unexplainable power that did. How do you know that God didn't do it? Because you didn't see it? Who saw how the Earth was created?

I don't know, but you still didn't answer how a simple particle can appear out of nothing, just like we can't tell you how God just appeared. But someday, I'm sure we'll run into a scientist who finds a rock that was created before the Earth, which will store information about how the universe just appeared. If there is no proof that God exists, then he doesn't exist. That's atheism. There's also no proof that life on other planets exists, so that's not possible. My question lies with cause. There has to be some exception, some cause that doesn't need another to be effective. So humans came from our planet, and our planet comes from rocks, and those rocks came from particles, and the particles come from...? Light and energy? Where did the light and energy come from? What caused that? Science will never, ever, ever prove it to be true. Science also has no answer for how a child knows right and wrong, feels love, feels hatred or sadness, feels happy, feels fear. Science doesn't tell us why it's only humans who question life. Science is stumped by the perfection of the Earth, and the consistency at which things happen. We have the most advanced technology ever, and thousands of years to develop it, but we still can't create a retina for an eye, let alone duplicate anything on this planet without the use of seeds (plants) or pregnancy (humans). We still can't create something out of nothing. We can't find a planet like ours. We can't live on any other planet we've discovered to date. We've yet to find a way to create an animal or a human, or even a plant, from a rock. Humans have NEVER sat outside and suddenly witnessed particles, in the air, collide and create a plant, animal or human right before our eyes. In a world with trillions of species, elements, and different types of matter and particles, we've seen absolutely no inconsistencies. Nothing disappears, nothing creates itself out of nowhere, nothing changes its identity right before your eyes without a cause (ex. progression of life), and if nothing has a purpose, what's the point of living? Why the fear? Why love? Why hate? Why question anything? Why learn? Why enjoy life? Such a consistent place Earth is, for such an inconsistent, chaotic way of beginning.

Yes sir. I mean, if everything created from a big bang, I guess we would've already found a few more planets exactly like ours...or, well, even the slightest bit like ours. But, nah...it's just Earth, as far as we know, as far as we can see, that houses such uniqueness. No reason why...it just DOES.

Must have been a different god, because there's no way he believed in my God. But, anyways, you didn't have many answers.

Kyle, please, don't get all scientific in here. Your numbers are irrelevant because you believe in a fairy tale, and you obviously aren't as smart as these scientists in here. The next time I see an atheist say "lucky shot" in a topic, they are going to get blasted because there is no such thing as luck, because no numbers tell me so. By the way, this is fantastic...

Is it? You're probably right.

By the way, so we're on the same page, my girlfriend has a friend who is married to an atheist, and he believes that killing a person wouldn't be that big of a deal if you could get away with it, somehow. That's one of the most dumbest things I've ever heard. That tells me one thing, which he agreed with: he's more likely to do it than I am, and it proves my last couple of sentences above.

LOL, I'm not spinning anything my way. You're the one asking questions, not me. I'm simply telling you, and anyone else, that you're ignorant to make fun of religion. If that doesn't include you (meaning, if you aren't mocking it and calling us ignorant), then I guess that's not directed at you. Take it or leave it. Don't point fingers, because the truth is, I don't care what you believe in just as much as you don't care what I believe in, although I'll accept it without making fun of you or mocking you, or asking questions and making statements about it. For every question you ask about the Bible, we ask about the lack of technology that you claim you don't have, despite the thousands of years you've had to find out the truth. There are no answers because there are no answers. You're able to tell people how old the Earth is from a rock, but you're not able to tell me where the first particle from the Earth came from? I guess scientists will have to dig into the core and recover that particle...or something...and, you know, count the ridges on it. Science is man-made. Numbers are man-made, right? So why should I believe anything like that if I can't believe that most religions speak of a real god, some kind of supernatural, something of that nature? You see the italicized part? That's just an example of someone making fun of what you believe in, and that's very mild. Reading back on our old religious debates (if I could), you'd see that most of it was all directed to Christians, most of the mockery, and I believe the words used were: fairy tales Santa Claus talking bush story book ...among other things. I wouldn't be so quick to say you guys are the ones being stuck in the ribs, because it's been guys like Slaven entering topics that have NOTHING to do with God and criticizing Him (ex. the phrase "Oh my God" being in a topic about Marbury's JTV clip, and you know the end result). There's a reason why atheists are seen as disrespectful. For the half that aren't, the other half are, because they aren't God-fearing and don't believe in consequences other than what you run into with the police, and no matter how anyone twists it, it's true.

I'll be shocked if Green Bay doesn't crush the Lions. What's the status on Stafford?