Real Deal

Well, without Amare RIGHT NOW, the Suns would be in big trouble. That 2006 season still donned a roster of Marion, Bell and Diaw, and you see how well Bell and Diaw are doing in Charlotte (they really aren't that bad). But today, there's no Marion, absolutely no defense at all, and it's Jason Richardson and a fairly old Grant Hill, with nobody up front other than Robin Lopez.

Haha, yep, same here.

Probably...but in the situation that Golden State WOULD sign Iverson, I don't see why he wouldn't start and dominate the ball. But that's if they were to sign him. There's no way that goes down.

Charlotte, Golden State, Houston (without Yao), Milwaukee, Minnesota, New York, Sacramento. Those teams would probably give him the ball as the primary option, despite his teammates' abilities to score (ex. Jefferson, Ellis, Martin). Haha, but again, that's MVP by definition. There would be more important players, more than likely. I'd still probably consider Gerald Wallace more important to that Charlotte team because he'd produce 15-20 a night plus defense.

BOOMSHAKALAKA!

By the way, that's by definition. There are probably players that will be more valuable than their team's best player, if that makes sense. Such as Tayshaun Prince.

...for next season, correct? Hawks - Joe Johnson Celtics - Kevin Garnett Bobcats - Gerald Wallace Bulls - Derrick Rose Cavaliers - LeBron James Mavericks - Dirk Nowitzki Nuggets - Carmelo Anthony Pistons - Ben Gordon Warriors - Stephen Jackson Rockets - Luis Scola Pacers - Danny Granger Clippers - Blake Griffin Lakers - Kobe Bryant Grizzlies - OJ Mayo Heat - Dwyane Wade Bucks - Michael Redd Wolves - Al Jefferson Nets - Devin Harris Hornets - Chris Paul Knicks - David Lee Thunder - Kevin Durant Magic - Dwight Howard Sixers - Andre Iguodala Suns - Steve Nash Blazers - Brandon Roy Kings - Kevin Martin Spurs - Tim Duncan Raptors - Chris Bosh Jazz - Deron Williams Wizards - Caron Butler

Looking at the list... 1) Jordan 2) Kobe 3) West That seems good to me. The rest can be debated easily, though. I know some guys who will say Gervin isn't better than Drexler.

LMAO. I'm not even going to ask. Vanessa Hudgens > Dwight Howard.

I agree with ECN. Reggie Miller couldn't touch Iverson. I love Reggie, but Iverson is one of the greatest scoring guards to ever play the game and was much more dominant at the guard position than Reggie was.

...and two others. Minnesota Timberwolves. http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/index.php?/forum/28-minnesota-timberwolves-team-forum Jefferson, Love, Flynn. And the Utah Jazz. http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/index.php?/forum/40-utah-jazz-team-forum Williams, Boozer, Millsap.

Milwaukee Bucks. http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/index.php?/forum/27-milwaukee-bucks-team-forum Redd, Jennings, Bogut.

The Heat are finished. http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/index.php?/forum/26-miami-heat-team-forum Wade, Beasley, O'Neal.

Sean, way to nuke the topic. Repped.

San Antonio Spurs are finished. http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/index.php?/forum/38-san-antonio-spurs-team-forum Duncan, Parker, Manu, Jefferson. Done for tonight. I have a few left, right?

I guess McHale was a better power forward than both Barkley and Malone, then. McHale has three rings, averaged 25/9/3 on 58% from the field for his last championship (in the playoffs, similar to Bird's numbers that year), averaged 18-21 points in two of those seasons he won it all, sort of like Pierce and his 2008 season. Yeah, the verdict is out. McHale is better than Barkley and Malone. [/sarcasm]

LMAO, wait, did you just talk about Houston's big three? Barkley missed 30 games that season, Drexler 20 (something like that). They still managed to win 57 games. They still went to the WCF and lost to the 64-win Utah Jazz, who actually had a legitimate shot at beating the 72-win Chicago Bulls. Seriously? When did I say it didn't hurt Garnett's legacy? He had to jump on a boat with two other superstars to win a title.

The furthest Pierce went, he went with Antoine Walker...and both put up nearly the same identical numbers (scoring, rebounding, assists and field goal percentage) in that playoff run. Walker shot better, Pierce scored 1-2 more points, assists and rebounds were nearly the same. Pierce wasn't going to do anything without Garnett. Garnett wasn't going to do anything without Pierce. Neither were going to do anything without Ray Allen. All three needed each other to get to the NBA Finals. Three superstars (not all-stars), three future Hall of Famers. Let's not make Pierce out to be better than he really is. For the one time he got to the ECF's, he had many struggles since he was drafted.

So if winning is your only argument, why should I believe that Tracy McGrady is anything special? Pierce, Walker and the Celtics beat a 43-win Sixers team that was hobbling around with injuries. Iverson shot under 40% in the playoffs, and the only others to help him were Coleman, Snow and McKie. Then they took out a 50-win Pistons team that were led by Stackhouse and Clifford Robinson. Pierce shot 40% in the playoffs that season, by the way. Lucky for him that Antoine Walker averaged 22/9/3 at nearly the same percentage, almost identical numbers as Pierce. So maybe Antoine Walker is better than Dominique Wilkins? Just using your logic here. Wilkins averaged over 26 PPG in the playoffs five times in eight playoff seasons with Atlanta. Pierce did that once in his six. Pierce has had legitimate help. Wilkins walked into the playoffs each year with an older Moses Malone, Randy Wittman, Kevin Willis, and Doc Rivers as second options, against teams like the Bucks (who were coached by Del Harris or Don Nelson and were a few years removed from 60-win seasons), a 57-win Celtics team (who were led by Bird, McHale and Parish), a Pistons team that nearly beat the defending champion Celtics in the ECF's that same year they ousted the Hawks, another loss against the defending champion Boston Celtics, and...wow...yet another playoff loss to a 56-win Celtics team that won an NBA championship the following year. Yeah, it was a cakewalk for Dominique.

New Orleans Hornets. http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/index.php?/forum/30-new-orleans-hornets-team-forum Paul, West, Okafor.

I'm glad the Lakers are playing the Clippers. I can't really say if this will be an easy win, to be honest, but I'm intrigued by a team of Griffin, Davis, Gordon and Thornton, and I wouldn't be surprised if this game was pretty close for a while, at least.

Depends on who we are playing and what quarter it is.

Orlando Magic are finished. http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/index.php?/forum/33-orlando-magic-team-forum Howard, Carter, Lewis and Nelson.

Malone, Erving, Toney, Cheeks, 12-1?

If you want the pure point, you get Kidd. He's easily a top five point guard of all-time, in my opinion. Put defense around Iverson, giving him the reigns, and he can take the team to the NBA Finals in a weaker conference. But that's exactly the problem: Kidd can do more for you in almost any offense, while Iverson needs to be the primary option, needs to have a defensive-minded guard as a teammate (to defend his man), and he's gotta be the go-to guy throughout the entire game. You can bring up the fact that Iverson did get to the Finals, but Kidd and Kenyon Martin reached the Finals two consecutive times, with Kidd actually leading the way and probably should've won an MVP award.