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http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-saturday-lakers-eyeing-gilbert-arenas

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7508646/luol-deng-recovering-quickly-wrist-injury

But sure. There's a difference between elite and good. I did not claim he was on Stockton level, that's what I'm looking for. I'm not looking for good, I'm looking for great. We'll always have those below 10 guys, which is fine, but it is ODD having NO point guards around who can put that up night in, night out. Billups wasn't a combo guard, not in Denver or in Detroit. He's always played the Point, without the Clippers exception. Speaking of opening up a can, if Billups isn't a true PG, does that mean Westbrook, Teague, Rose and Lawson aren't either? If they're primarily scorers, doesn't that (by the logic you've presented) insinuate that they're SG's by heart, too?

I'm not going to insult your mother and brag about pooping on your lawn via PM, Deal.

You can't tell me what Wall would do without Duncan either. Cause that never happened. Oh, and Gortat's average 17/11 I believe, but he's no all star.

Anyways, not trying to be rude, but it is really late where I reside, and I'd like to take the debate to PM, if you'd like that RD. I need to sleep.

Compare that to his former supporting cast, though. I might be wrong, but was Divac even reaching 10 PPG with the Lakers when Magic was around? Byron Scott was decent, Worthy was passing his prime.. Perkins was OKAY, but still. His talent wasn't all that amazing, he didn't have that good of a second option. Worthy was aging. Isn't it odd when Malone was great, Stockton was too? Why can't we flip that around, when John practiced on his passing and studied the court more, Malone excelled because of that?

How is it meaningless? You said it took him a long time, it did, but look what he did with a defensive line-up. Marion and Chandler where playing better with Kidd then without. Didn't need to be - I was just saying he had that skill, he had... the ability, and he made use of it. You don't need to be on par with Nash or CP3 to be a good passer. He never lead the league, but he was GOOD, which helped them win. Passing and winning go hand in hand. Which is odd. Simply because most good teams HAD that PG, like the Nets with Kidd, Spurs with Parker, Mavs with Kidd, Suns with Nash, the evolving development of the current NBA point guard is not right in my eyes. Yes, you can win, but that's not his original objective, scoring I mean. Setting up other players and facilitating is the most important thing they have to do in my eyes. LeBron James is averaging 7 assists over in Miami, that's just because LeBron is an amazing player, like Jordan. They both where versatile.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/01/26/spurs-notebook-splitter-opening-floor-for-teammates/

There is no hypothetical questions. Stock's assists where almost always above ten, regardless of Karl Malone's productivity. Magic didn't have Kareem in the early 90's.. so, y'know, that's one weak spot I guess. John Wall might be THAT guy, THAT passer, we don't know yet.

The problem is that we have no Stockton. We have no amazingly elite guy who we look up to. It's something we're missing. Scoring: Durant Rebounding: Love Dunking: Griffin Shooting: Curry Passing: ??? CP3? D-Will? But for how long? And none of those are Stock level. Billups isn't even in his prime, and according to that logic his assists apparently vanished into thin air and didn't help the Pistons at all. Stock and Magic where good defenders too, so was Kidd, Nash is an exception due to his lack of D. Without Jason Kidd, the Mavs wouldn't of won a championship. His court vision, and ability to assist defensive players (Chandler) was extremely resourceful. Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant where an amazing duo. There's no way in hell Derek Fisher could of been a key guy in those games. Wasn't Samaki Walker starting for LA at one time? Other positions weren't great on that team either. Pau Gasol and prime, fierce Kobe where another example of that. With Artest and other players taking the cash, Fisher has and always will be a filler.

I love debating with you, RD, I feel more educated then I was previously.

Right. We don't have an elite passer any longer, one era had Cousy (good for his era), then Magic, then Stock, Nash, Kidd, CP3, Willy.. but going fourth post 2000's, who do we have that can put up 10+ APG? CP3, D-Will, Rondo's supporting cast is leaving soon, so I see him dropping later on..

You need one now, in my opinion. Tony Parker wasn't the best passer, but he did it. Fisher was an exception. Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups (not amazing numbers, but still, good passing) and some of those great Nash teams who made the WCF a few times. CP3's hornets, D-Will's Jazz squad. Don't you dare compare MJ to elite passing, cause he's MJ, put MJ on the damn Raptors they're near the top seed.

Maravich was a bad example.

No 3PT line, worse (IMO) players to build around too. Teams only needed one good star to be a great team back then. Cousy played with Russell I believe, Russell was one of the least offensive players in the league back then. He was Ben Wallace, basically.

That's my point, RD. We have no great passer of our era. Oh, and on the Brown thing, that's your first issue.

I'd like to see them flip Blatche for Aminu, or Blatche for Dudley, something like that.

Dee Brown, if I recall, wasn't a point guard. Wesley was a scrub. Fisher was passing, just not enough, cause he never had the talent. Hodges, again, SG. Although Stockton DOMINATED the passing rankings, here's a fun fact: From 1984 to 1996, the assist leaders haven't gone under 10. Now? From 2000, the assist leaders have gone under 10 three times.

http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/wizards-talk/post/Wiz-need-to-get-running-shoes-on?blockID=638872&feedID=6356

I am not old enough to feel nostalgic about NBA on NBC, however from what I've seen, the overall presentation was crisper and more enjoyable for viewers.

Ah, I have to be more keen with my reading between the lines.

He's had multiple 20+ point games though, Scola's been meh and Martin's putting up career lows.

This article is opinionated, by the way. My articles are my perspectives on the league. I'm unsure of it's relevancy, but I found this statistic interesting. CP3 (pass first) has a PER of 24.03%. While Westbrook (scorer) has a PER of 21.77%. Hmm. Nothing really interesting, but something I found odd.

It's also not like those point guards are really young. Deron is approaching thirty, Paul has lob city plus his weak knees, Lowry and Wall are exceptions I guess. Look at these rookie numbers. Kyrie is barely at 5 assists a game, even with a bad supporting cast that's unacceptable. His exact number is 4.9.