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Yeah it will be considered, but there's no way it trumps the fact that he has nothing on his resume except a few good scoring seasons. You just can't make it to the hall with the career he's had, no way. And thanks for clearing up the TMac situation in Houston and Orlando.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcajwfVHTYI&feature=related I don't care what people say, he was amazing.

That's not the reason, it's because he didn't accomplish much even when he was healthy... Tmac was arguably the best in his prime (and historically had one of the greatest seasons ever) and I hardly see anyone talking about his hall of fame eligibility.

How can you not care about PER? At least try to keep an open mind about all of this.. And what does it matter where he achieved those numbers? Carter was on teams similar to those, but didn't put up the numbers Mac put up. I have no idea what all stars disguised as superstars means, but Tmac was arguably the best player in the league in his prime, so he was definitely a superstar. In 2003, it was a legit argument over who would you rather have between him and Kobe Bryant, I can't say the same about Carter. Are you really saying that had Tmac not been injured all those years, he wouldn't have extended his prime? Really? Age doesn't become a factor for players like Tmac and Kobe until they hit 32+, there's no doubt in my mind that Tmac would be a hall of fame player had he not been hurt. And you clearly didn't watch Tmac in Houston...he wasn't as ball dominant as his days in Orlando. Not to mention, he developed better playmaking skills when he arrived in Houston..because he was able to play alongside a true superstar. The Rockets, in a much tougher Western conference, were a five seed every year they were in the playoffs since Tmac arrived, that's not much of a uphill battle. They won 51+ games each year he was there and healthy. Caron Butler wasn't on the team when we made it to the second round. Gilbert was the reason we got to the second round, he hit the buzzer beater in game 5 and was the clear leader of the team. I agree he deserved those all star votes, that's not my point..What I'm getting at is that the FANS voted him in because they loved seeing him on the court, but it's obvious the writers and broadcasters think differently...for a good reason too. Statistically speaking means your simply using the "eye test" on the stat sheet, which any fool can do, but individually speaking, there's no way he gets in, because all he has is his impressive scoring total...nothing else.

..and let's not act as if his teams in Toronto were terrible. The franchise was built around VC to succeed, much like LBJ in Cleveland. Very strong defensively, and had some great role players such as Oakley, Williams, Davis, and Christie. With that being said, I wouldn't consider his career a success at all...but I also wouldn't consider it a complete failure. Is that really hall of fame worthy?

Tmac is a significantly better player than Carter. He had 3 seasons with a 25 PER or higher, while VC only has 1. From 2001-2008, Tmac was clearly the better player. And most of all, when it comes to the playoffs, McGrady is substantially better than Carter. Injuries are the reason why Tmac is now a bench player for the Pistons. What's Carter's excuse? He's played on some damn good teams, and he hasn't been hurt, last year being a good example. VC has been historically poor in the playoffs. His postseason PER is 19.7, while McGrady's is 24.7. Carter only had 2 good playoff series, one in '01 and one in '06. Like I said, in '01, I give Carter a ton of credit, in '06 he played the best ball of his career, but the other 4 playoffs are afterthoughts, 3 of which he shot under 40%. I didn't intend on comparing him to Gil, that was my fault for not being more clear. And as for Gil never winning anything, I recall him getting just as far as VC did in the playoffs as the #1 option. That's fine and all, I'm not going to hold it against him that his team didn't do well enough to win him a ring, I'll never do that to a player, but he also didn't do much individually. How many MVP's has he received? How many first team honors did he receive? Was he ever a good defender? He's made All Star games because the fans love him and he's exciting to watch, but as I've mentioned before, the people who vote players into the hall all happen to be the same people who have only voted for him once in the top 10 for the MVP award, and who have never gave him an All NBA first team honor. How exactly do you expect him to make the Hall? Are you serious? One playoff series is enough to get him in? Gilbert dropped 35-5-5 in the playoffs back in '05-06 (46%FG, 44% 3pFG), yet all people seem to recall about him is that he was a chucker.

Of course not, but that's all he's known for...and that's my point, he has nothing on his resume to show for. I still don't see how it's such a bad era. We had so many great players in their prime.. http://www.basketball-reference.com/allstar/NBA_2000.html Find me one all star that would be considered a scrub in the league today. You have no way of proving that even a solid role player would be considered a scrub now.

^^You're going to put Andrew Bynum, who has played 50 games all season and is only averaging 27MPG, as a second teamer?

I wasn't trying to imply that Gil was better, I'm simply using Gil as an example. I should've been more clear in my post.

What impact? I don't want to come off as a VC hater or anything, but I just don't understand why he's any better than Tmac or Gilbert Arenas. The man couldn't lead a team to 50 wins, he was simply a terrific scorer. I'm still wondering what he has accomplished that has put him in this discussion. Winning dunk contests doesn't matter at all and being considered one of the best dunkers has no effect on his eligibility. And that late 90's-early 2000's era was fine... The Kings, Lakers, Spurs, and Sixers were powerhouses, and we had two of the top 10 players ever in their prime, as well as 2 of the top 5-10 SG's ever (Iverson and Kobe). I'd hardly consider that a dark time.

Blake Griffin by a mile.

ALL-NBA FIRST TEAM C - Dwight Howard F - LeBron James F - Kevin Durant G - Kobe Bryant G - Derrick Rose ALL-NBA SECOND TEAM C - Amare Stoudemire F - Dirk Nowitzki F - Carmelo Anthony G - Dwyane Wade G - Chris Paul ALL-NBA THIRD TEAM C - Pau Gasol F - Kevin Love F - Blake Griffin G - Manu Ginobili G - Russell Westbrook

This is ugly.

Dwight Howard easily. Everyone in that starting lineup are complete scrubs on defense without him, the impact he has made on that team is something I have seen in a handful of players.

Kevin Love, he has had a historic season, and has developed into one of the league's elite centers..that should be enough for him to win the award.

Easy choice here, Lamar Odom. He's exactly what a sixth man should be, a guy that is able to come into the starting lineup and not disrupt the flow of the offense/defense..he has consistently been the Lakers best defender this season.

Gregg Popovich has done what not many coaches are able to do. He's playing his three best players 30MPG (give or take a few), and has developed a bench that could be a huge reason why the are able to win a ring this year.

Derrick Rose because he's the NBA's poster boy, he's exciting to watch, puts people in seats, and has carried the Bulls to the second best record in the league.

it's interesting if you actually understand the sport. And I sleep for half the match.

ALL-DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM C - Dwight Howard F - Kevin Garnett F - LeBron James G - Rajon Rondo G - Chris Paul ALL-DEFENSIVE SECOND TEAM C - Tyson Chandler F - Andre Iguodala F - Luol Deng G - Tony Allen G - Russell Westbrook

EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: Celtics-Bulls WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: Lakers-Thunder NBA FINALS: Celtics-Lakers NBA CHAMPION: Celtics

Does Toronto really want a guy like Jones? I liked the idea of Washington drafting him earlier in the season, but I think his draft stock has plummeted. He plays soft, and often times forces things. He's pretty skilled as a big man, but I think he's going to end up like Chris Bosh, a 4 that falls in love with his midrange jumpshot, rather than taking it in.

Is that really something special? Gilbert Arenas was once a top 5 scoring threat, is his chances of making the hall of fame THAT much greater? Tmac was once the best wing at one point in his career (much better than Carter I might add), and you hear nothing about him making the hall (and rightfully so). The fact is, VC doesn't deserve to be in the Hall...not one bit.

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Glad he decided to enter the draft, he's the consensus #1 pick, and could have really hurt his draft stock by staying.