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I wasn't aware that the Clippers were cheap, I haven't seen any such indication that suggests this, I could definitely be wrong though since I'm not that familiar with the team. Baron and Kaman are making huge bucks individually because of contracts they gave them, and I have to imagine if they were winning more than 20 games a year they would be inclined to spend more money. The team itself hasn't been desirable because they have been trash. However, you have to imagine if they cleared max cap space a player would have to be interested in going there with all the sweet pieces they have in place. Are the Clippers Miami, Boston, Lakers? No, but at the same time they aren't Milwaukee, Memphis, Toronto, etc. With the market they are in, you have to imagine if they had good pieces in place, and money to use, players would go there in a heartbeat. I really don't think the Lakers would scare teams off, if anything, trying to get the team out of the Lakers' shadow should be enticing, although you never know with the lack of competitiveness in the NBA these days. I don't really think citing LBJ passing the Clippers is fair though, they don't have the pieces in place to attract a player like that right now, but 1 or 2 years from now? They definitely could/should.

The Rock is my favourite all-time easily. Always had the crowd eating out of the palm of his hand once he went from Rocky Maivia to The Rock. Right now I like CM Punk a lot, he has really grown on me, he is unintentionally hilarious at times. Miz was one of my favs too but I am getting bored of him, was jacked when he won the title though. I am loving Daniel Bryan though, not for his mic work but he is a work horse, and every match he puts on is gold. He should really kick off every PPV because it is very rare that the crowd isn't into one of his matches. There are a ton of guys on TNA I really like, their roster is easily better than WWE's, Pope and Anderson especially. It just sucks that promotion is run by idiots that you can't even enjoy them. Anderson is amazing though, one of the best in the business today, easily.

What happened to that insane house he supposedly bought on July 7th or whatever? That is a sick house though, oh how nice it would be to be a millionaire.

Well the fact he went and said that to Karl pretty much means he did call CV a cancer patient and not that other 10 word phrase he said he called him.

He will get a TV deal the same day he announces his retirement.

Terrible idea.

Any team (owner, really) that isn't willing to spend money to improve their team, or spend to retain core players, doesn't deserve an NBA team. I understand owning a team is a business, but a line needs to be drawn, how can you expect to draw fans when your ownership isn't even committed to winning? This is why MLSE pisses me off, I really feel like they take their fans for granted. Also lol at suggesting Clippers should be removed. They may be the blunt of a lot of jokes, but this team is still close to the middle in attendance despite their [expletive] record, are in a desirable market, and are in the midst of retooling this team (they have one of the brightest young stars in the league). Ship Baron and Kaman, add another top 5 pick, you have one of the brightest young teams in the NBA.

I like the gesture but this is just foolish.

I hated Burke, I hated that deal at the time and I especially do now. I didn't think the picks would be as good as they were, but they would obviously be lotto. Burke's pride just got in the way, he should have just given what we had to, he gave up the 2nd first stupidly so he didn't look like a hypocrite. I mean, if we had a borderline playoff team ok, but our roster was in horrible shape when he gave up all those picks, it was just foolish. Haven't seen much of Tyler, though, but I doubt he will be on that level, but he will obviously be a player in the league, but I really do not like Kessel much, never have. No hands, great 2nd line player solid 1st line player. Could be a 40+ goal scorer if he had a really good center though, easily, watching him take shots from the outside and turn the puck over in the other team's zone on rushes drives me [expletive]ing crazy. Whatever, at least Burke was assertive, he tried to shortcut the rebuild, just like MLSE would want him to, and it backfired. Live and learn I guess. You can't really fault him for doing what he was ordered to, try and win immediately and generate excitement around the team.

Crosby with 25 already, unbelievable. Best player in the world, has been for a while now, hopefully it isn't up for debate anymore lol.

I remember hearing, when Seth transferred a couple years ago or whatever, he was supposed to be better than his brother?

LOL. All I have to say is good luck.

You could make a case for Deron or Dwight as well at this point. It is hard to say, Deron is really having a fantastic year so far.

I think Mick Foley made Triple H to be honest, but you could really argue both ways I guess. HHH beat Austin, Rock and Foley all within 365 days IIRC, so it was a combination of things. But HHH in 2000 is one of the greatest heels ever. Realistically though, Trips was going to be a star one way or another, he was supposed to win KOTR in 96 when Austin wound up winning it. It took a while, and some steroids, but Trips is one of the all-time greats, even though people will berate him for marrying Steph lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV3h34tUIcQ This gives me chills.That crowd was popped for 5 minutes straight.

I respect what Hogan did for wrestling, and I understand he is responsible for putting wrestling on the map, but John Cena, like it or not, is still the Hulk Hogan of this era, the only difference is he isn't a [expletive] backstage. I am not trying to say he is = to Hogan, or Rock/Austin for that matter, but he is still in the discussion of the top 5-10 superstars after those 3, once it is all said and done. He is as close to the complete package as it gets. As far as him turning heel goes, I think it will still be another year or two personally (or at least i hope so). He isn't quite stale enough yet, he still gets the biggest reactions except in wrestling towns. But when he turns heel, it will be insane. Just them teasing it with this entire Nexus angle the crowds were pretty hot. The problem is right now there aren't enough top faces to justify turning Cena heel. When he turns heel though, it is gonna be pretty crazy I think. Also, for all the heel talk in this thread, no one touches Triple H IMO. I would kill for him to come back in his sleeveless jean jacket and a sledgehammer in hand in a couple months, but it won't happen. Sounds like he is winding down to eventually take over for Vince. Triple H from 2000 was insane, classic matches, great promos and everyone hated his guts, he was just a slimeball but you knew he could [expletive] up his opponents, not like heels today who are all cowards (fake) The only guys I see in the company with potential to be top heels are Sheamus and Barrett, but both these guys are 30+ already. There just isn't much talent on the roster right now, and with no tag teams or mid card it is hard to develop these stars. It might be time to end the brand split thing, the roster is just really thin right now.

Cena would NEVER be stuck at the intercontinental level, not ever. First of all, people bought into his character almost immediately when he came to the WWE (or WWF whatever it was at the time), and he was super over with his rapper gimmick. Second of all, he has the look that very few have, which honestly is half the battle and why guys like HBK and Flair aren't as big as guys like Hogan and Warrior, who couldn't wrestle but got by on their look and aura). The guy is HUGE and has coordination in the ring, his skills have come a long long way too (he used to be [expletive], he is competent now). And by this point, he is a good enough worker to be relied upon to put on good solid matches nightly. Also for the mask, I think that is just for house shows. People paid to see John Cena, you take him out of the show and they are gonna be pissed. It hasn't even been mentioned on TV. If Cena was in the attitude era, he definitely wouldn't have 9 titles or whatever it is he has, since the talent pool was so much deeper, but how is it fair to hold the lack of talent currently in the WWE against Cena? He still would have gotten over (it was way easier to get over from 99-02). You take Cena out today and there is NOTHING, and then WWE might actually be threatened by TNA. Hardy was the 2nd most over wrestler in the WWE, goes to TNA, no one cares. Cena is the only individual draw really left in wrestling with any sort of crossover appeal to the media. Cena isn't really the 'answer', and that isn't really what I am saying. But he is still the biggest name in wrestling and has been for a while, saying Cena can't wrestle got old in 2007, because if you watch him now, he can clearly work a match. Rock couldn't wrestle, but that didn't stop him from having classic matches did it? If you are going to say Flair is > Cena, you pretty much have to say he is > Hogan too, because Hogan and Cena are practically one in the same, just in different time periods. Cena is only 33 years old, Orton is like 30, they have time to develop new stars, but the WWE will still be rough to watch. What I would love to see is the guys get more freedom on the mic to talk, similar to TNA and how it was in the attitude era. Let guys develop their characters more. Steve Austin said something like, his character was just an exaggerated extension of himself, so he basically believed everything he said on the mic, and that is what feels like is missing today. There are some talented guys in the WWE, they just suck on the mic because they are reading off a script.

As an individual performer I would probably say HBK is the greatest of all time. He put on classics, terrific on the mic and put over everyone (after the 90's when he was an absolute prick). However, he was not half the draw that Cena is today. When HBK was the face of the WWE, the WWE was getting smashed weekly by WCW. For me, it all comes down to drawing money and ratings, and Cena sells more merch than anyone in history not named Hogan, Austin or Rock as far as I know. Also, do you realize that Flair was the face of WCW? He was a great performer, one of the greatest, but he still was never the face of the WWE. Since we can't value championships since wrestling is obviously scripted programming, the only way to value guys is through their buyrates and merch sales. HBK and Flair are terrific talents, more talented than Cena for sure, but Cena is still the bigger star, which really is all it comes down to. Batista is a horrible wrestler, and pretty bad on the mic as well, but for the past half decade he has been either the biggest, or 2nd biggest star in wrestling. Does that mean he is a better performer than the guys beneath him? No, but he is still the bigger star which is all that matters. I guess I am saying Cena is a top 5 biggest star in WWE history, not necessarily a top 5 greatest talent. Those two lists would be completely different, since on one you would find guys like Flair and HBK who could wrestle and cut promos, but didn't necessarily draw, whereas on the other list you'd find guys like Hogan and Cena, who aren't necessarily as talented, but were easily the bigger stars

I definitely posted a link in this forum a long time ago, let me see if I can find it again and if it still works. Most of it is megavideo, which sucks, but some vids are different too. Also go to wrestlingforum.com... it is a huge forum and they have a media section there which I am sure you can access most of what you are looking for. I lurk there a ton for WWE DVD's and stuff like that.

WWE made their product more family friendly because ratings and merch sales were in the dump. They are still trying to get rid of the stench that Benoit left, it was a business move. They are still looking for that PG balance, there are less cringe worthy moments than there were in 09, 09 was practically unbearable at certain points with the childish stuff going on, the midget court thing was the worst wrestling moment I have ever witnessed personally People need to stop blaming the PG though, there have been a bunch of really solid feuds since I tuned back into wrestling a year and a half ago - Hardy/Punk, HBK/Taker II-Cena-Batista/Barrett/Cena. The WWE can still put out a good product without using swear words, the writing staff is just lazy and the WWE is in the middle of rebuilding their roster, trying to make new stars. There are a lot of solid fresh feuds going on right now, so rather than berating the product, just try and enjoy it. Smackdown sucks, but RAW is giving us 5 star matches nightly with Bryan, a red hot feud with Miz/Orton (did you hear that crowd last night? jesus....) and Cena-Barrett will hopefully pick back up. The rumble is around the corner, so as usual, the shows should start to get a lot better. Trips should be back any time as well. The only thing PG has made me miss is blood. It is kind of sweet though, because next time someone bleeds in a match it will feel more epic and important. Also, the gimmick PPV's need to stop as well, they interrupt feuds and are just downright annoying - hell in a cell is practically ruined because of it.

None of those guys were as big a draw as Cena, save Rock, Austin and Hogan. Like I said, Cena might not be the in-ring technician of a Flair or HBK, or even as talented necessarily, but he draws money and is the face of an era, something many of those guys are not. Wrestling is about making money and drawing fans (wwe universe lulz) to the shows, and you could argue Cena is the only individual draw even left in wrestling today. Cena is a better performer than anyone gives him credit for, he puts on **** matches on a PPV basis, cuts good promos despite being given borderline-crap to work with, and he has single handedly made Wade Barrett arguably the biggest heel in the company in a matter of 6 months. It is just cool to hate Cena because he caters to the kids and ushered in the PG-era, but Hogan was the same thing back in the 80's from what I understand. I am not a Cena fan at all, but I still respect the amount of talent he has and what he has done for the business. When all is said and done, Cena is easily a top 5 WWE superstar ever. You stick him in the attitude era, when wrestling was cool, and we most likely aren't even having this debate.

Why would you want Cena gone? He is the best superstar in the world, and is a top 10 superstar of all-time. He might not be a great technician but he still puts on great matches and is one of the best on the mic ever, he just has horrible material to work with and people hate him because he sucks up to the crowd. As soon as he goes heel all the internet fans will love him.

They are really close to dropping the ball on this feud, letting Cena attack Barrett on free tv is so dumb. They needed to continue to build up a few more months to the point where the fans are dying to see Cena punch him in the mouth, not let him attack them weekly on free television. Barrett-Cena was close to having an epic build up, but last night they really took away from it when they let Cena attack Barrett like that. I would also love to know why the GM isn't getting involved lol... They still have a chance to fix this, not sure how, but Barrett needs to regain some of his credibility after looking like a [expletive] these past few weeks. Lets be honest, this feud was never really Nexus vs Cena, it has always been Barrett vs Cena, Nexus was just there to make Barrett more credible and so he can win non-clean. Barrett needs to get the strap asap to regain any sort of credibility and kick this feud back off. The Raw GM needs to ban Cena from Raw soon and then after Barrett wins the title at the rumble (for example) have Cena somehow come back and win the rumble. These two need to fight at wrestlemania, that is the only place a feud like this can have any sort of payoff. Please don't blame the 'era' for this [expletive], the attitude or PG era has nothing to do with the writing of the show. You can still have red hot feuds without using swear words of having puppies.

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Somewhere hot. I want to travel Europe one day though, if I liked it there maybe I'd want to live there iunno. I'm not very well traveled so it's hard to say.