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Fair enough, anyway just had some fun with that website you previously linked, another factor to the decrease in fg% would be the amount of shots players have been taking. For instance, compared from 84-98 theres only been 15 times players averaged over 19fga per season, compared to the 29 from 99-2011. . Another factor to decrease % is the amount of 3 pointers players now take, in jordans era you had only 14 players who averaged over 5 3 pointers attempt per game, compared to 27 that we see now. 13 players averaged between 4.0-4.9 3 pointers per game in jordans era, compared to 27 players from todays game. Heres an article ive read that a person posted on the scoring difference of 3 pointers between kobe and mj. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/562044-closing-the-case-why-michael-jordan-was-a-better-shooter-than-kobe-bryant Here is some interesting observations of 3 pointers attempted/made Jordan: 581-1178 (.327) Bryant: 1350-3978 (.339) Obviously, kobe had a lot more attempts, and a lot more completions, with still a slightly higher 3p%, pretty impressive. That said, jordans career average at 3 pointers was 1.7 per game, which in many of the seasons he played, was slightly above league average at the time. If you compare jordans 3% from the two seasons when the 3 point line was normal, and jordan averaged over 3 per game, which shows he was trying, his 3% was .364% If you wanted to count kobes 7 seasons in which he averaged over 4 3 pointers per game, his career average would be .351%. Obviously, kobe had more seasons, so his % will go up and down from time to time, however, lets say you wanted to take kobes 2 best 3 point seasons in comparison, it would be .370, or 3 best seasons with over 4 average per game would also be .364%. Point I'm trying to make, the concept that kobe bryant is a much better 3 point shooter than mj, IMO, is false. I would say they are both equally as good, if you put a young mj in the 99 season, I'm sure his 3 point stats would be just as impressive, if not more. NBA League Averages for 3 pointers Year 3PM-A/G 3PT% '80-81 0.5 -- 2.0 .245 '93-94 3.3 -- 9.9 .333 '94-95* 5.5 -- 15.3 .359 '96-97 6.0 -- 16.8 .360 '97-98^ 4.4 -- 12.4 .355 '00-01 4.8 -- 13.7 .354 '01-02 5.3 -- 14.7 .354 Sooo... this kinda relates to what I was saying earlier about the different mindset/skill sets players from the 80s/90s to today’s. on where a player will shoot the ball, and how he will score. But... I suppose a more accurate way to determine how current players fg% would stand, would to use an adjusted fg percentage %. Adj FG%= (Total FG+0.5*3ptFG)/Total FGA Which, incase my math is wrong, kobe byrants adjusted fg% would be .488% for his career. And heres another glorious role of fact sheets on how effective players can score the ball, from the previous season. 09-10 season " Kobe Bryant scored 416 points with layups and dunks Kobe Bryant scored 572 points from inside of 10 feet Kobe Bryant scored 862 points from inside of 15 feet Kobe Bryant scored 439 points from the free throw line Kobe Bryant scored 669 points from 15 feet and out So 1,301 of Kobe Bryant's points came inside of 15 feet or the free throw line, and only 669 of Kobe Bryant's points came from 15 feet and out. So 66% of Kobe Bryant's points came from inside of 15 feet and the free throw line." 'Dwyane Wade scored 762 points with layups and dunks Dwyane Wade scored 894 points from inside of 10 feet Dwyane Wade scored 996 points from inside of 15 feet Dwyane Wade scored 534 points from the free throw line Dwyane Wade scored 515 points from 15 feet and out So 1,530 of Dwyane Wade's points came inside of 15 feet or the free throw line, and only 515 of Dwyane Wade's points came from 15 feet and out. So 75% of Dwyane Wade's points came from inside of 15 feet and the free throw line." * 82% of Tyreke Evans's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 75% of Dwyane Wade's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 71% of Carmelo Anthony's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 70% of Kevin Durant's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 68% of LeBron James's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 68% of Derrick Rose's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 66% of Kobe Bryant's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 66% of Monta Ellis's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 63% of Brandon Roy's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 62% of Dirk Nowitzki's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 61% of Stephen Jackson's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 61% of Deron Williams's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 58% of Joe Johnson's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. * 56% of Danny Granger's points came from inside of 15 feet and free throws combined. http://hoopsapedia.webs.com/thenbazoneera.htm "Conclusion.... Not one perimeter superstar scored even half of his points from jumpers that were taken from 15 feet and out. So clearly the myth that zones force long distance jump shots is not true. Furthermore, teams rarely run zones. Teams can't hand check, can't chuck, can't hold away from the ball, can't get away with hard fouls to intimidate perimeter players without being suspended, can't stand in the lane longer than 3 seconds, and can't get credit for a charge inside of the circle. Playing physical defense, as well as playing "goalie" in the lane is discouraged." Even 39 years old MJ was putting up decent numbers, and had a .445 field goal% You may say only 1 team in jordans era held opponents to under 42% less, and 11 have in kobes era. Not much arguing there, facts cant lie. Almost every team has a much lower opponents fg%, while majority of the extreme % spike is from the early 2000s to 04. Even the 08-09 cavs posted the same opponents fg% as the 97-98 bulls, shocking. BUTTTT< we are only looking at ONE stat. I think the fact, despite the physical defenses we saw in the 80s/90s, and teams still scored a lot, speaks volumes. Anyway, this is actually a tiny bit more fun than opponents fg%. but I say the main reason, not entirely due to legalizing in zone, is simply change of pace, shot selection and overall team efficiency. 1985: team averages FGA: 3542 FGM: 7268 FG% 487 3PA: 77 3PM: 274 3P% 282 2PA: 3465 2PM: 6994 2P%: 495 2009: team averages FGA: 3091 (-451) FGM: 6700 (-568) FG% 461 3PA: 527 (+450) 3PM: 1487 (+1213) 3P% 355 2PA: 2564 (-901) 2PM: 5213 (-1781) 2P%: 491 Teams now are scoring much less than what they did in the 90s, but nba over time you can see a trend where the points decrease. However, just because the points have been decreasing, does not mean defenses have been better, they may be smarter, but points per 100 possessions are relatively the same. This is due do to the change of pace in basketball. So i guess you can say, due to the stats, the physical defense in the 80s/90s is by no means harder to score than it is today. Its just a different set of pace/efficiency. Heres the list of defensive ratings/ efg ratings that I found from here http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=590376&page=5 79-80- 105.3...48.6% 80-81- 105.5...48.9% 81-82- 106.9...49.5% 82-83- 104.7...48.8% 83-84- 107.6...49.5% 84-85- 107.9...49.6% 85-86- 107.2...49.3% 86-87- 108.3...48.8% 87-88- 108.0...48.9% 88-89- 107.8...48.9% 89-90- 108.1...48.9% 90-91- 107.7...48.7% 91-92- 108.2...48.7% 92-93- 108.0...49.1% 94-95- 108.3...50.0% 95-96- 107.6...49.9% 96-97- 106.7...49.3% 97-98- 105.0...47.8% 98-99- 102.2...46.6% 99-00- 104.1...47.8% 00-01- 103.0...47.3% 01-02- 104.5...47.7% 02-03- 103.6...47.4% 03-04- 102.9...47.1% 04-05- 106.1...48.2% 05-06- 106.2...49.0% 06-07- 106.5...49.6% 07-08- 107.5...49.7% 08-09- 108.3...50.0% 09-10- 107.6...50.1% As you can see, by the the NBAs defense was at its greatest in its history from 98 till the 04 season. Its now back at the level it was in the 80s. Bottom line is, nba is scoring just as much as it was in the past. pace is different. Main reason fg% is much lower than it was in the 80s/90s is the amount of 3 pointers that are now shot and different type of scoring mentality. Top players, such as kobe and wade, still score majority of their points inside the 15 foot line. If you to compare shooting %, the nba is roughly the same as it always was. If you take into account players shoot more 3s and more riskier shots than ever. For comparison, the 84-85 la lakers had an EFG% team rating of .551, where as the 07-08 phoenix suns also had a EFG% team rating of .551. Point is, fg% was much higher back then, but efg% was not. Another small comparison we can use is the TS%, True Shooting Percentage; the formula is PTS / (2 * (FGA + 0.44 * FTA)). True shooting percentage is a measure of shooting efficiency that takes into account field goals, 3-point field goals, and free throws. Kobe bryants highest ts% .580 season was in 06-07, where he shot 31.6 ppg, .463% and took 22.8 shots. MJ's highest ts% .614 season was 88-89, where he averaged 32.5ppg, .538fg%, and took shots. However, if you look at the 90-91 season, you will see Jordan averaged 30.1 ppg, .519%, and he 22.7 shots. What does that mean? "A. 3pt shooting. 3pt shooting will probably make up for the shots. If Kobe would've shot more from the mid or inside, he would have a better FG%. But he has proven time again that he takes bad shots and he'll shot the 3. It will adjust up. B. FT line. I think this is the issue of era. Jordan averaged 7.4 at the FT line while Kobe averaged 10.0. This adds up to Kobe's point total despite the number of shots he took. But this is also another reason of era differences. Kobe probably wouldn't get as many fouls called in the 80s or early 90s and Jordan will probably get more in the post 05. FT shooting and 3pt line is what TS take into consideration. You'll see how efficient the players are in that point." http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193660&page=5 MJ, career shooting % is .497, his EG% is .509, His TS% is .569 Kobe Bryant career shooting % is .455, his EG% is .488, his TS% is .557. NO matter how you slice/cut/prepare it, Michael Jordan is the better scorer, and more efficient scorer. This is also just counting the regular season, where MJ’S best moments are, and as always, in the playoffs/finals.

Welcome to DA board brotha, plz stay active ;p

lmao, i love this guy. I feel big things can happen in his future.

Knicks, they traded players who will never win them a championship to a guy they can build on and win in a few seasons. They will also attract free agents to come in at a cheap price.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOyhDhWzCHA&feature=player_embedded#at=143

My bad, I added sidney moncrief as part of the era, even though he did win it a year before jordan entered the league, thought it was still viable. And dennis rodman was an amazing wing defender, specially in his earlier years with detroit. I'm not the one saying mj would score 100 points, the laker shooting coach said that, lol. But no doubt in my mind mj could possibly score 100 in a game against todays defenses and rules. Phil jackson also believes mj could average 45 points per game, does his opinion not matter? But you only care what that one time all star mark jackson says? Ok good for you. You can chose to ignore what some ex hall of famers/players/coaches and even the personal trainers who worked with both players have to say about the game, but me personally, I will always value an ex player/headcoach opinion/observation on any sports. Nice job avoiding the fact there were 74 instances of players scoring 15+ppg and 50% shooting? I'd say the players in jordans era were more fundamental, smarter, and more skillfull, and did not care to chuck the ball 1000 times a game and take poor shot selections like kobe bryant. Totally different mentality and mindset with todays players to the ones in the past. You're comparing the difference in eras directly due to the change in zone rules, when zone play was still being played in the 80s/90s, and yet you had a lot more physical play. Doesn't make sense to me Oh, and for the shits and giggles, heres mj owning the 3-2 zone defense, the one that obviously could never had existed in the 90s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_GgXXR4vA So despite mj getting zone, double/tripple teamed, faced more physical defenses, he still posted a much higher ppg and a higher shooting %. Amazing. Also, whats the correlation of kobe bryant getting iv's after ever few games? Are you trying to say mj didn't play as hard? So I guess mj didn't put his full effort in his career and is still the best player of all time? lol and MJ's defensive stats/steals/blocks speak for themselves, so dont try to say kobe is almost on mj's level on defense, even when he tries, thats insulting. Also, I know it doesn't matter, but just thought to lay some more insight. Joe Johnson from the Atlanta Hawks was asked about the handchecking rule during the summer of 2010: "It benefits me," said Joe Johnson, one of three players (Mike Bibby and Jamal Crawford are the others) on the Hawks' roster who have averaged 20 or more points in a season. "It definitely changes the game because it gives every guy that extra step. "If we could hand check now, the game would be totally different," Johnson said. "If they couldn't hand check back in the day, there are some guys that would have been even better than they were. It would have been nuts for some of the big-time scorers and perimeter players from the 1980s and 1990s. Can you imagine what [Michael] Jordan would have done in a league where you couldn't hand check." "You can't even touch a guy now," says Charlotte coach Larry Brown, who also coached the 2004 Pistons defense... "The college game is much more physical than our game. I always tease Michael [Jordan], if he played today, he'd average 50. Lets compare the leaders in ppg between the different eras. League leaders in points: 2008-09 NBA Dwyane Wade 2386 2007-08 NBA Kobe Bryant 2323 2006-07 NBA Kobe Bryant 2430 2005-06 NBA Kobe Bryant 2832 2004-05 NBA Allen Iverson 2302 (rules changes go into full effect) 2003-04 NBA Kevin Garnett 1987 Now let's look at PPG leaders who average 24 points per game or more: 2003-2004 ppg: Points Per Game Leaders 1. Tracy McGrady-ORL 28.0 2. Peja Stojakovic-SAC 24.2 3. Kevin Garnett-MIN 24.2 4. Kobe Bryant-LAL 24.0 2004-2005 ppg (rules changes in full effect) (Notice a spike in scoring and notice how many perimeter players top the PPG lists) Points Per Game Leaders 1. Allen Iverson-PHI 30.7 2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 27.6 3. LeBron James-CLE 27.2 4. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 26.1 5. Amare Stoudemire-PHO 26.0 6. Tracy McGrady-HOU 25.7 7. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 25.5 8. Vince Carter-TOT 24.5 9. Dwyane Wade-MIA 24.1 2005-2006 ppg Points Per Game Leaders 1. Kobe Bryant-LAL 35.4 2. Allen Iverson-PHI 33.0 3. LeBron James-CLE 31.4 4. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 29.3 5. Dwyane Wade-MIA 27.2 6. Paul Pierce-BOS 26.8 7. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 26.6 8. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 26.5 9. Michael Redd-MIL 25.4 10. Ray Allen-SEA 25.1 11. Elton Brand-LAC 24.7 12. Vince Carter-NJN 24.2 2006-2007 ppg Points Per Game Leaders 1. Kobe Bryant-LAL 31.6 2. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 28.9 3. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 28.4 4. LeBron James-CLE 27.3 5. Michael Redd-MIL 26.7 6. Ray Allen-SEA 26.4 7. Allen Iverson-TOT 26.3 8. Vince Carter-NJN 25.2 9. Joe Johnson-ATL 25.0 10. Tracy McGrady-HOU 24.6 11. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 24.6 2007-2008 ppg Points Per Game leaders 1.LeBron James-CLE 30.0 2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 28.3 3. Allen Iverson-DEN 26.4 4. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 25.7 5. Amare Stoudemire-PHO 25.2 2008-2009 ppg Points Per Game 1. Dwyane Wade-MIA 30.2 2. LeBron James-CLE 28.4 3. Kobe Bryant-LAL 26.8 4. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 25.9 5. Danny Granger-IND 25.8 6. Kevin Durant-OKC 25.3 Now let's compare that to the 90's when Jordan was a Bull: 1997-1998 ppg Points Per Game leaders 1. Michael Jordan*-CHI 28.7 2. Shaquille O'Neal-LAL 28.3 3. Karl Malone-UTA 27.0 (these were the only 3 players over 24ppg) 1996-1997 ppg Points Per Game leaders 1. Michael Jordan*-CHI 29.6 2. Karl Malone-UTA 27.4 3. Glen Rice-CHH 26.8 4. Mitch Richmond-SAC 25.9 5. Latrell Sprewell-GSW 24.2 1995-1996 ppg Points Per Game leaders 1. Michael Jordan*-CHI 30.4 2. Hakeem Olajuwon*-HOU 26.9 3. Shaquille O'Neal-ORL 26.6 4. Karl Malone-UTA 25.7 5. David Robinson*-SAS 25.0 (notice, only one perimeter player) 1994-1995 ppg Points Per Game leaders 1. Shaquille O'Neal-ORL 29.3 2. Hakeem Olajuwon*-HOU 27.8 3. David Robinson*-SAS 27.6 4. Karl Malone-UTA 26.7 5. Jamal Mashburn-DAL 24.1 (Notice the lack of perimeter players) 1993-1994 ppg Points Per Game leaders 1. David Robinson*-SAS 29.8 2. Shaquille O'Neal-ORL 29.3 3. Hakeem Olajuwon*-HOU 27.3 4. Dominique Wilkins*-TOT 26.0 5. Karl Malone-UTA 25.2 6. Patrick Ewing*-NYK 24.5 (where are the perimeter players?) 1992-1993 ppg Points Per Game leaders 1. Michael Jordan*-CHI 32.6 2. Dominique Wilkins*-ATL 29.9 3. Karl Malone-UTA 27.0 4. Hakeem Olajuwon*-HOU 26.1 5. Charles Barkley*-PHO 25.6 6. Patrick Ewing*-NYK 24.2 1991-1992 ppg Points Per Game leaders 1. Michael Jordan*-CHI 30.1 2. Karl Malone-UTA 28.0 3. Chris Mullin-GSW 25.6 4. Clyde Drexler*-POR 25.0 5. Patrick Ewing*-NYK 24.0 1990-1991 ppg Points Per Game leaders 1. Michael Jordan*-CHI 31.5 2. Karl Malone-UTA 29.0 3. Bernard King-WSB 28.4 4. Charles Barkley*-PHI 27.6 5. Patrick Ewing*-NYK 26.6 6. Michael Adams-DEN 26.5 7. Dominique Wilkins*-ATL 25.9 8. Chris Mullin-GSW 25.7 9. David Robinson*-SAS 25.6 "During Jordan's era it was MUCH MUCH more difficult for perimeter players to score as much as today's perimeter players.... 90's defense was the best defense at containing perimeter basketball players. 90's defenses took the best aspects of 80's defenses and added to them. 00's defenses were stripped of their rights to actually physically contain the ball handler. Why do you think the 04 Pistons defense fell off so quick?" "NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range? Stu Jackson: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate." http://hoopsapedia.webs.com/nbahandchecking.htm

So you're saying the nba made it harder this era for offensive players to score?????? magic and bird would free zone against players all the time, so I'm not buying that excuse. You cant even run a "real" zone defense with the 3 second violations now. Its EASIER to score on zone defenses than when it was in jordans era. Its also almost impossible to regulate "no zone" rules. Ask a ref. Jordan would get beat up and plastered going in for the layup/dunk, and big men were able to camp the basket since their was no 3 second violation. You touch kobe, he cries for a foul, you touch mj and he will dunk on yo ass. So much for jordan struggling against the "zone" defense http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwh7FkFTpow ''Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harassment of zone traps and double and triple-teaming to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game.'' - New York Times, November 4, 1987 ''Around the NBA, they've tried to stop Michael Jordan, last season's leading scorer by more than eight points a game, almost every way imaginable. They've used zone traps; they've put two, three and sometimes four defenders on him; they've matched him against 7-footers and the best defensive players in the league.'' - Chicago Tribune, Nov 15, 1987 "Today Dumars is the chief basketball executive of the team he once led as a player. He’s an honest man, which means he chooses his words carefully. Asked in July if he could defend Jordan under today’s interpretation of the rules, Dumars first laughed, then offered a long pause before replying, “It would have been virtually impossible to defend Michael Jordan based on the way the game’s being called right now.” “My opinion is that the game had gone too much toward favoring strong players over skilled players,” Thorn said. “The NBA felt there was too much body, too much hand-checking, being used by defenders to the detriment of the game. There was a feeling that there was too much advantage for a defensive player who could merely use his strength to control the offensive player. The new rules interpretations have attempted to address that issue, Thorn said. If the refs perceive that a defender is bumping the cutter, or bumping a ball-handler, then they’ll blow their whistles." Blow their whistles is exactly what officials began doing in both the NBA and its Development League (where many nights officials were whistling a whopping 60 to 70 fouls a game). This new way of calling became increasingly apparent with each regular-season game last year, and it really made an impression during the playoffs. Free from the physical challenge of defenders, offensive players found many more opportunities to attack the basket – and draw fouls. As a result, the new rules interpretation helped promote the emergence last season of a new generation of super stars, from Kobe Bryant scoring his 81 points during a regular season game, to LeBron James, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas and Dwyane Wade making big splashes in the playoffs. “The good wing players – LeBron, Kobe, Arenas, Wade, Carter – shot a lot of free throws with the way the game is now called,” Thorn admitted. The change became quite apparent during the NBA Finals in June as fans saw time and again Miami’s Wade attacking the basket against seemingly helpless Dallas defenders. When they did try to stop Wade, those Dallas defenders often drew foul calls, which sent Wade to the line to shoot free throws. The new approach even played a role in determining the NBA champion, as Wade played majestically in leading Miami from a two-game deficit to a four-games-to-two victory for the title." Read more: http://hoopshype.com/articles/defense_lazenby.htm#ixzz1EcsvxJI4 There were 6 (including MJ) "wing" players who won Def Player Of The Year 8 times amongst them in jordans era. Now aside from Ron Artest, SHOW ME a defensive resume like this from today's era of guards? That's what I thought.. Throughout his career, MJ faced faced 3 Top 5 defenses in the Finals that had an avg defensive ranking of 7.16. He also faced 17 Top 5 & 24 Top 10 post-season defenses with an avg defensive ranking of 8.35. EVEN PHIL JACKSON SAYS MJ WOULD SCORE AT LEAST 45 PPG WITH TODAYS RULES. "The history book inspires them to be some of the best," said Jordan. "Rules have changed to help them. I could have averaged 50 points today!" "Question for Clyde Drexler: In the current league where there is no hand checking and no ruff play how much better would your numbers be? Clyde Drexler: Oh, tremendously better, from shooting percentage to points per game everything would be up, and our old teams would score a lot more points, and that is saying something because we could score a lot back then. I do think there should be an asterisk next to some of these scoring leaders, because it is much different trying to score with a forearm in your face. It is harder to score with that resistance. You had to turn your back on guys defending you back in the day with all the hand checking that was going on. For guys who penetrate these days, it's hunting season. Yes, now you can play (floating)zone(legally), but teams rarely do. "The defensive rules, the hand checking, the ability to make contact on a guy in certain areas .... [have] all been taken away from the game. If Kobe could get 81, I think Michael could get 100 in today's game." - Scottie Pippen January 2006 "Craig Hodges is the Lakers shooting coach, get a look at what he said: Q: If you could take one player in their prime, would you take Michael Jordan or Kobe? A: M.J., all day. There's no comparison. M.J. could score 100 points in this era. You can't hand-check now. Imagine that trying to guard M.J. It would be crazy." "Tex Winter said. "Players today can get to the basket individually much easier." Asked if he could defend Jordan under today's interpretation of the rules, Dumars first laughed, "It would have been virtually impossible to defend Michael Jordan based on the way the game's being called right now." "Tim Grover, who has trained Kobe, Lebron, and Jordan, was asked who would win a 1-on-1 battle of Jordan vs. either of the other two: Tim Grover: "Oh, Michael. No question. From a physical and mental standpoint, he's the best I've ever seen. If he were playing now, with the way the refs call everything, and with all the padding these guys wear, he'd average 40 or 50 a night if he wanted." "Hall of Famer Rick Barry, a keen observer of the game, said he would love to see players of the past getting to attack the basket under the new officiating. “They’d score a lot more,” he said."

lol jordan faced a Bruce bowen every night, barkley said he would nut check people back in the day and give them their foul, that [expletive] is not in the game nowdays, that would be an automatic ejection/suspension. Bottom line is, jordan brand will be selling for a long time, longer time than when kobe retires. Everyone wants jordan shoes. MJ would woop kobe one on one, so tell me who the better scorer is LOL An if kobe played in the 80s, he would get shut down. He wouldn't be able to handle all that contact, I mean just look at how much he complains now.

says mr. hongkong. Also, when MJ had his season best of 37 points per game, he only attempted 66 3 pointers, kobes highest scoring season of 35ppg, he attempted 398 3 pointers.

MJ he pretty much dominates kobe statistically in scoring. Put Jordan in todays game and he would average at least 40ppg. http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/draft_lens2018466module9873822photo_1212807413offense-jordan-versus-kobe.jpg http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/draft_lens2018466module9874349photo_1212810108defense-jordan-kobe-stats.jpg

Who do you feel is more soft? Bosh or gasol. http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/chris-bosh-knicks.jpg?w=420 http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0430/3265/pau_gasol_crop_340x234.jpg

WOW bosh is so [expletive]ing soft.

waaaaaaaade is out lol goodbye heats season.

zomg kanye west!!!!!!!!!!!

put D rose back in da game, geesh.

more like dunking on D rose. Who cant shoot over wade?

LMAO I LOVE DWIGHT HOWARD, HES MY FAVORITE! Great intro

no way east loses, you got D rose. Beast . He will win todays mvp, book it.

I chose Deron Williams-Carmelo Anthony-Amare Stoudemire, but I feel the best trio in the nba is rose, noah, and boozer;p

What Skyline do you feel is better, and why? http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww49/rozwell08/DSC_0053-2.jpg http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww49/rozwell08/58455004.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3306/3276989061_a006532ffc_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/2871933506_af22efef8c_o.jpg http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9318/3352314233f6d9affe36bflb.jpg http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww49/rozwell08/3361217766f5f2d2f654bw.jpg http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww49/rozwell08/2928445370b064589043orj6.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7070/2125688782750007a80ebvl9.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3187/2731293333_6d914dc03e_b.jpg http://static.flickr.com/52/168884085_8aaa21b7eb_o.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9871/2536201895f992c85e9dbem2.jpg vs http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/2967669673_8d75c13f5a_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/2778683076_8412540e09_o.jpg http://farm1.static.flickr.com/121/257143501_cd8c991e7c_b_d.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3123/3142858463_21875c0fd1_o.jpg http://shaun.zenfolio.com/img/v0/p251837900-5.jpg http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww49/rozwell08/2817600727_533575ed0d_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3306838335_3fda37c3ce_b.jpg http://img15.echo.cx/img15/429/small4xm.jpg

Fake, its 2011.

[expletive] why cant these players have a desire to play in da windy city? anyway if this is happens nba is gonna continue to slump. Outside of la/ny no one will give a [expletive].

of course, use your brain and quit being so gullible. A car, an opera, all for the last dunk? A lot of $$ and bling bling right there. Was also said before the game a car would be used? And just so happened to be for the final dunk? plzzz lmao who do they think they r fooling? All pro sports r rigged, whether or not you're willing to admit its true is up to you.

that sucked, jumps over the lowest part of the car. Todays dunk contest seems soooo rigged.

Here comes a leg injury.