EastCoastNiner

That's wonderful. I'm hoping on the Benoit Pouliot bandwagon if you want to hop on before he begins his quest for the Art Ross and Conn Smythe. The train is leaving the station.

What is your point? That had nothing to do with what I said. I have no clue what Universe is trying to say, not a clue. If you're trying to say Rodgers is having back to back dominant seasons, and may be the best QB in the NFL, I guess I can follow you, but what you quoted made and then responded with makes no sense.

Never-mind. You're definitely not insinuating that I said Austin is near the level of Calvin Johnson. I went back to that thread where we were discussing both of them, and I had to make sure I didn't say something incredibly stupid for the first time in my life. Calvin Johnson is just too good though. However, his TD tonight was just pathetic defense, especially by Merriweather.

Da fuk? I hope you're mocking Fish, and not saying I placed Miles anywhere near Johnson.

No, I understand your point, and Gronkowski is having back to back dominant seasons, proving his consistency. I don't think he would need to be consistent to be considered a premier TE anyways because of his obvious skill level.

If the defense had Demarcus Ware, that would be even more unfair. I'd rather have the defense as it is over the offensive group. It would be game over for any offense, including the offense in the first post.

Get in the end-zone you dumb [expletive]. I need to beat the spread you jackass!

Which core would you rather have, if you were to build you franchise? Let's just say for arguments sake that each core is locked up for the next six years. Aaron Rodgers, Calvin Johnson, Desean Jackson, and Adrian Peterson. Or: Ndamakong Suh, Darelle Revis, Mario Williams, Nnamdi Asomugha, and Jason Pierre-Paul. I gave the second group an extra player because Aaron Rodgers would probably be taken over any of these players.

I'm glad your on the Calvin bandwagon. Randy Moss's record is in serious jeopardy.

He's only one of the players I ranked in the top five TE's that I listed. However, if you are talking about him in particular, here is why he is better than Finley, and why I rank him high. 1. He had 10 TE's last season, which is more than any TE in the NFL 2. He has continued his success from last year with 5 TD's this year, and wasn't even supposed to play last game. So, he has had continued success in just two seasons, and can actually stay on the field. Now, if you're comparing him to Jemichael Finley, here is why Gronkowski is better. He's bigger, stronger, faster, jumps higher, has much bigger and better hands, is a superior blocker, doesn't get injured, and is smarter (wonderlic test for what it's worth).

No, I think Dee ruined it by giving her reasoning. If she didn't, I think more people would have given a different answer. I got this from another site, and it made me realize that our country is in trouble.

Can't do the math, brah?

Complete the following equation, and vote in the poll 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 x 0 = ?

He played well that game. It was pretty apparent I was talking about this season with a top 15 pass defense. A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. I''m holding off on crowning him until he proves he can have consistent dominant seasons, and he's on his way to it, but not yet.

The Super Bowl win was what?

Mainly because some of their best players are completely over-hyped, and Rodgers on field attitude is becoming very similar to Phillip Rivers. Also, people calling Jemichael Finley the best TE in the NFL is about as funny as it gets. The Packers have played well, but the ball-washing of Aaron Rodgers after such a short time being a great QB is quite amusing. When he shreds a team with a better pass defense than #15, then we can talk. Until then, the overrating of him is pretty absurd. With that said, the Packers have a reasonable chance at going 16-0 during the regular season due to the fact that they are a very good team, and play the biggest cupcake schedule I've seen in a long time.

There is pretty much nothing you have that I would be interested in. You have Matt Forte....and that's it.

McNabb was a pro-bowl player before too, but that doesn't change the fact that he sucks right now. Teams have figured Chris Johnson out, and he's in for a long season. He's just not that good.

Fred Jackson is on the block.

After Finley dropped about his tenth catch of the game, Rodgers was bitching, rolling his eyes, and pretty much crying after every incomplete pass. Also, don't ever say he is arguably the best TE in the NFL. He is nowhere near the #1 TE in the NFL. Once he gets some hands, you can try and make a case for top five, but until then, not a chance. He's not better than any of the following. In no particular order: Gronkowski Witten Gonzalez Davis Clark Those five are clearly better than him, and there is no possible argument against them, and there are others that are probably better than him too, but those are questionable.

Recently I've been saying they've been playing like shit. Right now, I don't think they're the best team in the NFL, but I think they can be by the end of the season, and throughout the playoffs. The Packers are the class of the NFL right now, and probably in a tier of their own. However, I think the Patriots can be the best team once the defense starts geling. The Patriots have a history of having an improving defense as the season goes on. I think they're focusing too much on trying to run the ball, and not passing it enough, but maybe it will work out. I think they took one poor/unfortunate game, and are trying to change their philosophy. I think it can and will work, but I'd still like to see them pass more. However, I'd bet you right now they do not lose in their first playoff game this season, assuming they make the playoffs.

What are everyone's thoughts on him? Is he just off to a slow start, or is he actually not that good. I think he's a one-dimensional HB that has been overrated for a while. He completely sucked today against the Steelers. Every time I would look up, he would be stopped behind the LOS.

I'll take the win and call it a day.

Anyways, I'm more frustrated with the offense than the defense at the moment.

They proved that they will be bounced in the first round of the playoffs? . You do know they didn't get bounced in the first round last year either, right? The Patriots will be getting homefield advantage, and won't be knocked out in the first round because they will get a BYE, and you should agree because the Bills are a bad team like you said at the beginning of the season, and have no chance at winning the division, right? Defense is still geling. Offense changed its gameplan, and still raped the Jets for 30 points. Just get your pen and paper ready by the end of the season because you'll have some writing to do.