Mike Hawk

But the government run system doesnt work here. Thats why everything is failing. The government control and socialisam, does work in some other countries, because the cultures have different values. Even you agreed that the schooling system thats ran by the government is failing just like everything else.

So you agree with my first point then. No need in arguing it. Second Point: There is no outrage to UsPS, like I said. SOme government control is good, which was proven by the first point. Third point: Yes let it go under and gie the money to the American people instead. or If you are so worried about the workers give them the money instead of 2 GM. They dont loose their jobs and get a nice retirement. Do you also realize how badly the stockholders where screwed by the whole GM dilemma. Did you see how they liqudated the company, At the end the stockowners got almost 0% of the new GM. Their shares were worth 0. How can you justify screwing the investors but not teh Stock OWners. Everyone else is getting bailouts yet stock owners still ahve to pay taxes for thier stock gains. Shouldnt they also be given a bailout? I mean [expletive] everyone is getting it. Lets just give everyone a bailout? Next Point: There is always an option for Private School, if you can afford it. Also dont you see how badly our current school system is failing and how bad the US youth is on Geography. I guess another government run thing equals another failure.

Yes, but greenspan is not the leader of your country. He is just the federal chief. if [expletive] fails then you have to look at the president who is the true leader. If he cant control your country then he also is a failure. Leaders are the ones who are held for their actions. Mr. Greenspan was also just a worker for Mr. Bill Clinton, not the president himself. Dont you think if he had more power he would have changed things? It doesnt make him a hypocrite he did what his Boss made him do to keep his job. I am sure you would do the same to keep your job. BTW whats your take on Mr. Bernanke? Thats exactly whats wrong with the industry the 40K cars, because the country is encouraging them to produce it by giving them bailouts. I have beeen trying to tell you this the whole time, yet you agreed with giving GM a bailout and punishing ford who was saving for a rainy day. I am sure you could spend all your money on gambling. And what would happen then, I am sure you would be on the street homeless and would not get a bailout. But no you take the conservative approach and save your money like Ford. How would you feel to be punished and paying for someone else who did not save their money? And I agree the country has fallen to The Lobbyists not the rich. My solution is real simple lets unite both parties and cut out the BS Deal?

Greenspan is saying he didnt agree with Clintons plan but he wasnt sure at the time. You cant blame the guy, when the president is telling you something its hard to Decline. I am sure if Mr. Obama came to your house and told you to get rid of OTR, but didnt provide real reasons, you would do it. Well Because he is the president Right? And yes Greenspan was the one who supported Slowing the economy. Dont you get it he only said this because he knew that constant growth of GDP would not be forever. You cant have people spending outside of their means, and expecting the currency to constantly Appreciate, it just doesnt happen. YOu cant oversupply a good thing and then expect the demand for it to be the same? ANd also yes to the unemployment. Like I said you cant have 0% unemployment, because this would give the bargaining power to the workers and not their companies. If you were guaranteed a job, you would not work as hard as someone who is not sure. Its proven all over history. The output per worker reduces when he knows that he is guaranteed a job and is getting paid the same as everyone Else. Simple Economics for you my friend.

Like I said, I dont disagree with the government owning some things. However, they cant own everything. The banks will still have money. Some people will buy a house, Some will put that 100K in the banks to gain unrealized interest that was never possible before. The banks will not be without money, they will just have to control their money inflows and outflows better. It will force the banks not to lend to those people who have 600 scores, like you were saying before because now they will actually be responsible if they lose their money. And if they make a lot of risky lending that doesnt work out, then guess what they go under. They will be valuing their hard earned money a lot more than free handouts by the GOV. I completely agree witht he USPS CEO not stealing. But you are the same guy who is making the statement that its okay for GM to be government backed because their CEO stole? While at the same time punishing Ford? I dont know how many college courses you failed or if you failed any. But how would you feel if a bunch of kids failed your class final and then got 5 retries to take it until they got the answer right? It takes away intergerty from the institution its the same like Plagarizam. Would you rather have a doctor operate on your eye who is owned by Mr. Obama, and who doesnt really care about you because regardless if his surgery is a success or not he will still be getting paid? Or would you rather work hard earn some money and get great quality care on your eye?

Brandon, Here this Man speaks from experience for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAH-o7oEiyY Here is some more Videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY94E2QByKY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AplQw2F-M14 I would rather trust someone who has the experience in the manner. Than someone who has no experience at all, I am not trying to insult your intelligence in anyways. But Experience speaks wonders. But Brandon, You seem to be more Republican by your posts lately. I am not sure what you are arguing. You hate that your dad has to pay so many taxes. Again thats a democrat policy, the democrats are known for raising taxes, while republicans send stimulus checks to offset their tax increases. """"""If someone is looking for a resolution, make things such as welfare, medicaid and medicare available to those that actually deserve it. Give it to those who have no history of drug abuse. Give it to those who have no criminal record. Give it to those who have no history of lawsuits connected to more than one job-related accident. Then raise taxes slightly for those making six figures, keep taxes the same for anyone else. Put a real ban on illegal immigration. Shut down the borders and demand that everyone entering this country registers immediately. End the war in Iraq, to stop spending money for nothing. Force banks into giving loans to US residents that have been here for longer than a year, 600+ credit score (instead of a ridiculous 725 you pretty much have to have today). Hell, legalize marijuana, put a tax on it and sell it, since alcohol is more dangerous.""""""""" I agree with this 10000% percent, and that is what a lot of Republicans are actually trying to do. But they get labeled by the media as evil.

Lol well whats the problem we are having now, Mr. Know it all????? People arent spending their money right now, I wonder why. A lot are taking it out of the banks 2. The banks are not earning interest on that Money. Why do you think the Federal Reserve Borrowing rate is so low right now??? Without money in the banks, they cant charge a higher rate, plain and simple. And it is pumped into the federal reserve, people buy houses, the federal reserve gets a cut. Why else do you think they call it Federal Taxes?

You are failing to see the point. The people get 100K, buy things that they really need. The money is pumped back into the economy, reducing its national debt????? Get it now???

And its not doing that Now????????

Well wouldnt you want to pay off the house? Isnt the government loosing out more, by not having the people in Houses? I mean you got all these empty houses that you cant charge taxes 2? Isnt it easier to put everyone in a house and not let it decline over time. Than to keep houses empty and taxless? But no you are wrong. Do you know how our problem started? Our problem started by the Glass Seagull Act I am not sure on the spelling. Which was signed by Bill Clinton, it deragulated the banks, and we had our housing appreciate for a while, but once that deregulation failed, we had the housing market fail msierably, because everyone was buying them who could not afford them. I rather have people realistic and affording what they can buy instead of buying what they cant afford. You spend your 100k, if you didnt buy what you needed then you are screwed. But at the same time you have stimulated the economy though by cutting our national Debt. Simple Concept?

Ok people buy houses. That money goes back into the country and stimulates the economy. Explain to me how the country fails more that way. Than by bailing out GM and giving what 1000 peole work or something?

Give them 100 Thousand then whatever. Its better to invest in the people than to invest into failed Companies. You are really punishing the hard working companies by doing that, and encouraging them to take on risky investments, and now they have to take on Risky investments because they cant compete with a Government owned GM anymore. The people will buy with that money the things they really need and put it back into the economy. That way our national debt will go down. I love how we are in debt and are going even further in debt, it does not make sense, if you lose shouldnt you be trying to win than lose again?

Brandon. Like I said before instead of bailing out GM, give every American a stimulus check for 1 Million dollars in the mail. THen they can decide on whatever they need to spend it on, and I guarantee there would be no depression. Because people would spend the money on the things they need.

Yes but do you want everything to be ran by the government. Some things have to be ran by the government or else it wont work like the Military. You cant have State Run militaries in every 50 states. I dont think its fair for GM to get a bailout when they make mistakes. But the good hard work of ford goes unnoticed because they had enough money to save for a rainy day. So you are telling me if I make a mistake, its okay I will get rewarded. But If I got money and I am doing good I dont need to get rewarded F Me. Do you see what I am getting at and what this is teaching other companies and industries. Do you want the goverment deciding when you need a new knee or prostetic leg. Because thats whats happening in Canada, they also have sign up lists for Medical Procedures. Thats why so many people come down here to get the care they need.

LOL, apperently you live in the 1965s, because Yugoslavia split at the begining of the 90s thats why whe had the wars. Of course there will be no money in the country after a war. The money was gone when people stopped trying because they were all guaranteed a job and thats exactly what I was trying to explain to you, that you cant have 0 unemployment and expect a Prosperous country, it doesnt work. Prior to popular beliefs not everyone is created equal, so they dont get paid equally. This thread is about Obama, so again please exit the thread, unless you can explain to me how its fair for Ford to compete against GM. Or if you are actually contributing to the thread Read the OTR guidelines, otherwise you are just baiting. I also on the other hand would have liked 1 Million in my bank account instead of giving it to GM.

LOL I was there through the whole war. My family came here because there was no more opportunity over there. Do you want short term gain for a long term pain. Its all up to you, thats exactly what you get with that type of system. LOl and its funny what you are saying because that system actually helped my Family a lot. My dad was very succesful over there in the prior system. After it collapsed there was no More. Thats why I said its the short term gain for the long term gain. There is no hope for thsoe coutnries now, they had their prosperous gains now they are failures. You are arguing that Obama is right in what he is doing. So he supports the government buying GM, so you are arguing for that argument. So explain to me how its fair for Ford to compete against a Government bought GM? Thats what Obamas view is, if you cant explain that then please exit the thread. People need to grow some balls and start taking care of their responsibilities and Mistakes. You lose then you lose, no point in having someone bail you out especially if its the government. Like I said I rather have every American citizen get a check in the mail for 1 Million dollars than to give it to a company like GM who failed on their own.

And I replied to that Post by saying that Yugoslavia was Socialist, Read it right. And actually the region of Yugoslavia had a lot of money back then and was growing at a 7 Percent GDP every year until it started having economic problems. You really neeed to learn your history before you argue about something. You still havent explained to me how Its fair for Ford to compete agaisnt GM? I hope your teachers at school dont give you an F on a final and then let you retake it until you get an A, and get it right. Its called you have to take the whole class again to build the foundation to gain the knowledge you need.

Lol, there was nothing to reply to in your Imbisclatic Post. Explain to me how its fair for a company like Ford to compete agaisnt a new Government Owned General Motors? No one has explained that to me yet, and the more you allow things to go like that, then the system is doomed for failure.

Yugoslavia Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavia "Main articles: Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" Again research your agrument before you attack.

Bosnia was part of Communistic Yugoslavija, so I suggest you check your stats.

Thats not true, remember under those systems you are guaranteed employment, the government takes control. People have to employ you. Its just like the Citizenship thing in the United States, If you pass the test and have a good clean record, your right to a citizenship is pretty much guaranteed. Let me ask you this? Have you experienced a Communist or Socialistic government?

I still dont see the point you are making exactly. Are you Pro or anti capitalisam? Take some economics classes. This is the same reason that you cant have 2 much employment, unemployment rate needs to stay in the 5s constantly if it goes to 0 and everyone is guaranteed a job, then people slack of and will not work. This gives them bargain power, and they bargain against their employer for higher wages, because they know they cant be fired. Socialistic and Communistic views means that everything is owned by the goverments so it is a right and a guarantee pretty much, study your history more. People slack off, dont produce the output of work they were producing before and the country suffers, look at any Communist Countries history. They all look like a bubble, its prosperous for a certain point in time, and then once people start slacking, everything fails and flaws. Also people dont invest into Communist countries because there is no guarantee of their money being safe. Same with China, a lot of people dont invest because they have no legal way of battling their losses of corruption. Thats what keeps many people out.

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Dont worry Government control is good right??? We dont need to Compete, hell why do nurses and doctors have to fight to give us good care when they can just blow it off since they will be getting paid the same anyways. Whats the point, I mean everything is ran by the government in the perfect world. WHy should I try, I am getting paid like everyone else in this perfect government controlled world. Why should I try and bust my [expletive], when I am still getting paid man. I mean I am getting paid the same as everyone else, its only an equal and fair world. When you drag incentives away from people they get lazier, I am sure thats not a type of country you would want Brandon.

Yes we do, and sometimes thats a necessary course of Action. I rather have a real depression if that is what it takes for people to realize that they need to stop [expletive]ing up. Like I said justify to me how it is Fair for a company like Ford to compete against the New Government Backed General Motors? What is that teaching other companies. Its okay if you [expletive] up and make mistakes, Mr. Obama will be there to give you a bailout. Its a flawed and failed system, you cant survive like that. The more you encourage it the worse things get.