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I agree and disagree with Snake... -I disagree with the idea that Rose isn't good enough to close out ball-games. He has an automatic midrange jumper and can get to the rim extremely well. With the ball in his hands in crunch time, I do trust that Rose can close out a ballgame. -Where I agree with Snake is that Rose is not a good enough 1st option on a championship contender. The only way that would work out is if the Bulls become an all-time defensive team ala the 2004 Pistons, and I just don't see that happening with the roster they have (although having Thibs as a coach will go a long way in the next few years). What really kills them is the fact that the East is VERY top heavy with 3 of the 4 best teams in the league residing in the conference. And including the Lakers, we are talking about 4 STACKED teams. I could see the Bulls making noise and maybe even knocking off the Magic, but they'll get smoked by the Lakers/Celtics/Heat. And I do believe a lot of that has to do with Rose. Even though he's a scoring PG, he's only had 9 career 30+ point games, and never had a 40pt game. Right now the most comparable currently active player I can think of to him is Dwyane Wade, but Rose doesn't have the same offensive talent or size (Wade's only about an inch taller but he has about a wingspan that's 5" longer and at least 10-15lbs on Rose). He just isn't a guy that I can see truly dominating on a consistent basis. And Boozer certainly isn't that guy, especially against other elite PF's. Because of this, the Bulls will struggle at times. Maybe not in the regular season or in the first round of the playoffs, but against the Celtics/Heat they are going to be in for some trouble.

Only heard Deadly Medley so far, nice song. Black Milk's mad underrated so I hope this album gets some recognition. I'll download it and give a small review tomorrow.

It's higher-seed #-wise, and since 4>1, you go first. If you want me to go first I'll do it, makes absolutely no difference to me.

Ginobili doesn't start and isn't a PG, averages just 28.8MPG and 12.0FGA, but manages 4.9APG. And that's on a team that averages 5 less points than the Nuggets do. My point is that regardless of Smith's minutes and playing position, if he was an elite playmaking SG he's at LEAST crack 3.0APG once in his career. Regardless of his relationship with his coaches they would have given him the oppertunity once in six seasons to run the offense consistently, or he would have been traded because another team would take advantage of those skills. Name another SG who at one time you'd say would be the best in the league at running an offense (like you say JR is) that didn't crack 3.0APG once in a six-season span. I dare you. Washed-up T-Mac was still 2nd on the Knicks in assists last year with 3.9 dimes per game in less minutes than JR averaged last season. Kobe has esstentially ran the offense for 5 championship teams, so I won't even go there. And what about Wade, Ginobili, Iguodala, $JJ, etc...? Then why post those videos? So even if you lose this debate at least you'll eat up my bandwith? He doesn't commit turnovers on passes? 82games.com says otherwise. JR's AST:TO (turnovers only on passes) is roughly 2.5:1. Fr $JJ it's 5:1. For T-Mac it's 4.5:1. For Kobe it's 3.5:1. Gibobili is 4:1. Iguodala is 4.5:1. Wade is 4.5:1. ALL of those players nearly double Smith in passer rating too, which doesn't take into account volume (which means JR's rating isn't low because he doesn't average as many assists as those guys), but rather the quality of their passing game as a whole. Nearly 15 FGA (2nd on the team) in just 28MPG, with <3APG says otherwise. And how can I NOT watch enough Nuggets game? They're on national TV all the damn time.

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If you didn't take 5 days to post your entry, there would have been more time to vote. I said on the 29th when the voting would end.

Second round's posted (went every other based on first round matchups to determine second round matchups...i.e 1 vs. 3, 2 vs. 8, 4 vs. 5, 6 vs. 7). Higher seeds go first this time.

Rules 1) 16 lines max. 2) At least one of those lines must be about your opponent's favorite sports team (basketball, football, etc). 3) One line has to end with your opponent's display name on OTR. You can exclude numbers. For example, "Fish" can be used in this battle. 4) Cussing will be censored if you decide to use it. Don't bypass the censor with asterisks or other symbols. 5) If you say Dick Vitale's first name, please censor it yourself by typing [expletive]. In the manner it would be used in this contest, it should be filtered out. NOBODY ELSE POST IN THIS TOPIC UNTIL THE SECOND RAP IS ADDED. After both competitors are finished, members can place their vote. Please explain your vote. The higher seeds (#-wise) go first. Based on this match-up, kingfish will be asked to post his. You have 7 days to post.

Rules 1) 16 lines max. 2) At least one of those lines must be about your opponent's favorite sports team (basketball, football, etc). 3) One line has to end with your opponent's display name on OTR. You can exclude numbers. For example, "Fish" can be used in this battle. 4) Cussing will be censored if you decide to use it. Don't bypass the censor with asterisks or other symbols. 5) If you say Dick Vitale's first name, please censor it yourself by typing [expletive]. In the manner it would be used in this contest, it should be filtered out. NOBODY ELSE POST IN THIS TOPIC UNTIL THE SECOND RAP IS ADDED. After both competitors are finished, members can place their vote. Please explain your vote. The higher seeds (#-wise) go first. Based on this match-up, Blazed49 will be asked to post his. You have 7 days to post.

He doesn't pass like a PG. He can make the occasional flashy pass, but good PG's and elite passing SG's are able to crack 3.0APG at least once in SIX seasons. JR never has. Good PG's and elite SG's have a much better AST:TO ratio than roughly 1:1. JR doesn't. Most good PG's and elite passing SG's are GIVEN THE OPPERTUNITY to make plays for themselves and for teammates despite their coach not being on great terms with them. JR isn't because it's not a strong enough attribute of his that utilizing it more would benefit the team (and with a shoot-first PG in Billups, that speaks volumes to how much Karl trusts him with the ball to make plays in volume for himself and teammates). Hell, he was SIXTH on the Nuggets last year in APG, below frigging Nene. If you want to break it down to basics, JR doesn't have the mentality of a playmaker. He just doesn't. He can do it on occasion, but he's not a guy you can trust to run the offense an entire game consistently. The fact that less than 20% of his shot attempts are at the rim and he only gets to the line like 3x per game makes the issue even worse because it takes away the ability to collapse defenses. Whether he has the ability to change that or not is irrelevant because A) Until he changes it, you can't make assumptions, and B) By a player's 7th season, they are almost always set in their playing style. Unless there is some crazy conspiracy to hold JR down (which there isn't because he was 5th on the team last year in MPG and 2nd in FGA), what we see is what we get. And what we get is a guy who has never met a jumper he didn't like and cannot and will not be a primary playmaker for his teammates.

Jesus...get over it already. Go see a therapist and get prescription Xanax to calm your [expletive] down and move on.

If I didn't post the Ib4Poe thing, this topic would be 3 pages long with Poe bringing it on like Donkey Kong.

This. +1 To think JR Smith passes like a PG is laughable. Most good swingmen can make those passes you showed, Snake. And being a PG-level playmaker has far more to do than the actual pass. It has a lot more to do with instincts, vision, anticipation, feel and intelligence. JR Smith lacks in those categories, and doesn't show what he is proficient in as a playmaker on a consistent basis (which means it doesn't matter). And FYI, SG's off the top of my head that are clearly better passer/playmakers than JR- T-Mac (if you consider him a SG), Kobe, Wade, $JJ, Iggy (if you consider him a SG, if not then insert Evan Turner), Monta Ellis, Ginobili, Tyreke Evans (his natural position is SG), Carter, Terry, Arenas, S-Jax, Salmons, Ray Allen, etc...

I see Smith more as a less efficient/more explosive Ben Gordon than anything remotely close to Kobe Bryant. He doesn't have the same mindset as Kobe, and it goes beyond selfishness and killer instinct. He just doesn't play with that kind of style, and will never be a franchise player playing the way he plays. And considering he's 5 years or so into his career (where most kind of plateau and are set in their games, despite age), I doubt that will change. He can be a Ben Gordon off the bench, though, which certainly is far from a bad thing. He's just got to work on his efficiency. If you're looked at as a gunner with little else to offer, you better be able to shoot better than 34% from 3 or 71% from the FT line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzT_LHOjopQ Classic.

I never said it was ok. I just think everyone's punishment for her is just a tad extreme. She should be punished in accordance with the law, which will probably mean a bit of jail time (Bosnia or wherever might be different, though). She doesn't deserve anymore than that, and for some to say it's on a similar playing field as killing/torturing humans is way off-base. And I doubt the other videos would have evoked the same response. There would be less people posting in the topic, and despite the fact those videos are of BRUTALLY torturing and killing millions of animals, the outrage would be less exaggerated and a bit more...rational I suppose.

But the way they were tortured is far more cruel and goes wayyyyyy beyond what is necessary to process food. And those numbers are in the millions compared to these 5-10 dogs, who may or may not have died and didn't suffer anything like what those other animals did. My point being is that the kind of thing that happened to those dogs happens ALL THE TIME (especially to non-dog animals in which the outrage is 1/100 of what you see when dogs are involved). Because it's dogs everyone is reacting like she killed 10 humans.

Lol you guys took the ant thing a little too literally. Insert any animal (other than cats)...hamster, lizard, fish, etc... Same [expletive]. And where's all the outrage over these videos, where animals (in the millions) are brutally tortured for their entire lives before finally being killed?... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lPydQxTun0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxloCd1kBCY But because it's dogs people go ape-[expletive]. And BTW I've owned 2 dogs in my life and still feel this way.

I know we're animals, but the difference between the value of a human and dog to society is far greater than a dog and ant. To our society dogs are nothing more than a mixture of a living toy and glorified piece of furniture. They offer very little, even less than most non-house pets who get tortured and killed on a daily basis.

Who cares if they're just babies? It isn't like Vick's dogs posed any danger to him, and he helped kill/torture a WAYYYY larger numbers of dogs than this lady did (by what we see in the video).

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I'm actually with Sublime to a degree. If that lady bought a bunch of ants, dozens of them, and brutally murdered them, everyone would just be like, "Ok..." and not care. Yet when it's puppies, every bit the creation of a so-called God as puppies are, people go ape-[expletive] and want the lady dead. The double standard is kind of annoying. I know she should be punished for her actions, but it's not anywhere near the same level as bad as killing a single human being.

If Confidence actualy spit a 16 I might give it to him, but CLHN had some really nice digs and spit a full 16. So... CLHN- 2 Confidence- 1

Idk...even though it's really [expletive]ed up, I had a good chuckle...