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Kobe doesn't fit as well as Magic does with that team though. They wouldn't win 5 rings. They'd surely win some on talent alone though. I don't think showtime would have nearly the same amount of hype it does now though had Kobe been running it.

You can't be basing this on stats alone. It's all about intangibles. Billups quarterbacked the team offensively and defensively always making sure the guys were in the right position. Certainly you saw the change in attitude these Denver Nuggets played with compared to the Iverson Nuggets. They care more with Billups and they all worked harder. It's the same thing in Philly. The Sixers were terrible before they got Andre Miller for Iverson. Iverson's numbers certainly own Andre Miller's but it's all about the intangibles you bring. Andre Miller brought a new attitude to that team and played a team game getting everyone involved. The team play(because let's face it Iverson is a black hole on offense) improves immensley without Iverson. And please don't show me some lame APG stat, because if that's how you judge point guards setting up their teammates then you are indeed wrong.

I guess Kobe > Wilt Chamberlain and Shaq as well since they have more weaknesses than him. How about this. Do you think if Kobe was on those 80s Lakers teams they would've been better had he replaced Magic Johnson. I beg to differ. Magic created Showtime. Would Kobe make that offense more dynamic than Magic did? No [expletive]ing way. And I wouldn't necesarily say defense was a weakness for Magic.

I never use the cardio at the gym. I play basketball for my cardio stuff and when I am at home I like jogging around the neighborhood, but running while staying in the same place or in a little circle is so boring Sometimes when I'm going heavy and I need more rests between sets I will take my phone out and text between sets. You mad?

I [expletive]ing hate it when someone is using the thing I use and their taking forever. This morning some black dude was taking up the squat rack for like 30 [expletive]ing minutes. He rested for like 10 minutes between each set it was so gay. I was mad as hell. It's always the squat rack too. We only have one at my college gym and there's always someone using it doing some kind of lift. I miss the gym back home where I was the only person there that used it pretty much. I also hate when its crowded and there is a bunch of guys standing in the middle of the room wacking off just taking up space. If your done your workout then gtfo. Also hate it when people smell like [expletive] which is like all the time. I think some dudes just go there right when they get up and wait to take their shower afterward. It's actually a good idea, but it sucks for everyone else.

Yeah man I sure got owned in that Bobcats topic, let me tell you. Btw thanks for reminding me, forgot about that thread. And not only is Lamar Odom a better shooter than all of them, but so is Shaquille O'Neal. Shall I whip out the Field Goal percentages?

When was the last time the Lakers won the regular season series against the Bobcats? Oh that's right! Never! Despite the Bobcats never making the playoffs in the history of their franchise, and LA being a perennial playoff team they have never been able to win the season series against the Bobcats. They are 2-6 against them. On the contrary LA is 6-3 against Orlando in that same time span. Bobcats > Lakers

I'm going to go with Rajon Rondo because he makes them at a higher percentage.

damn Mike Hawk is owning Real Deal pretty badly

You are implying that anyone who votes Magic in this poll also thinks Magic > MJ since MJ/Kobe have similar skillsets. I am pointing out the differences between MJ/Kobe and how much better MJ is.

Jordan is superior to Kobe offensively slightly with his superior finishing inside skills and court vision(Kobe has the long range shot), but his defense is the real difference. Kobe does not play lock down defense all the time. He'll do it on the rare occassion and his defense is the most overrated thing ever. Jordan went all out on defense and makes Kobe look like Steve Nash on defense. That's where the line is drawn. Gotta love the Kobe fans bringing Jordan into it once again. Kobe isn't Jordan and he never will be.

Sorry didn't know Minnesota won a championship that season or at least got to the Finals. One trip past the first round with 10+ years of a HOF bigman is pathetic nonetheless. A 12 year old could do a better job running that team.

I am really mad he didn't go to Charlotte. I was looking forward to seeing Iverson and Brown together in Charlotte and I would definetly love to see him take that team to their first ever playoffs. Ughhhh

Magic is the better offensive player. He ran the fastbreak better than anyone ever has and ran the most deadly offense in league history. Kobe is a better ballhog, and scorer, but the Kobe fanboys need to realize that basketball is 5 on 5, not one on one and I'll take a Magic Johnson ran offense over a Kobe ran offense anyway. Kobe's defense is vastly overrated too seeing as how he roams a lot of the time and takes plays off. He only plays lock down defense when he has to which is like 10% of the time. If he could be more consistant he would definetly live up to the hype. However that is not the case.

The Wolves suck. Other than KG there is nothing to that franchise and they failed year after year to put a championship team around a hall of fame bigman in his prime. Boston accomplished the feat in one year. They trade Foye for Roy, Love for Mayo, and even Rubio doesn't want to play for a loser franchise. Other than the Grizzlies their probably the worst.

Magic, He revolutionized the game. Kobe isn't even close.

I'm going to go with either the Grizzlies or the Timberwolves. They always seem to make retarded decisions and both of them routinely blow dong year after year. The Clippers are in this discussion as well, but I don't think their AS bad.

Iverson and Zach Randolph on the same team is going to be hilarious. It's really funny how they got rid of Pau Gasol a legit all-star and then traded for Randolph who they are paying even more for. The Grizzlies should just shoot themselves. I hope it works out though for AI.

Good to see you admit Matt Stairs blows.

It wasn't me(Shaggy) - Kobe Bryant

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4741/jrsmithumad.jpg And how did you know? I <3 Kobe!!

It either comes down to the Phoenix Suns or the Utah Jazz. I'd go with Phoenix though. Other than LA, Boston, and SA Spurs(which are IMO the top 3 franchises) they have the highest winning percentage out of any team. They have MVP's in Nash and Barkley. They have been a winning team for the most part. I'd go with them.

See Philly isn't so bad On the otherhand I would just like to point out that Kobe Bryant would never get a reception like that from a Philly crowd if it was his final game. People say MJ was just as hated, but not nearly.

Well I don't have the access the Sixers staff does to seeing Brand in action/practicing right now. Usually you can get a feel of where the player is at. To the fans it's a mystery. Honestly I'd probably do the trade seeing as how even with a 20/10 Brand this team isn't a contender and Boozer's contract expires first. Boozer is a solid big man. Not as good as a healthy Brand, but it's a lower risk with him.

Yeah I wouldn't get that even if it was free. I wouldn't feel good about having Spiderman on my chest for the rest of my life. It is sick though and mad hard to do. Really expensive I'm sure and it took many hours.