Kobe Bryant is One of the Most Overrated Players in NBA History

[Legacy]

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Long article about it. What do you guys think?

[EastCoastNiner]

I don't have to read it to know that it's a garbage article.

[YugoRocketsFan]

Just read the whole thing, amazing article and it shows that Kobe isnt a top 3 player as many people say, sure he is up there but he still was the Robin in the first 3 championships. Other than that, Kobe's 81 point game also made people overrate him.

[Warren2ThaG]

He's not that rich really, he deserves way more money in my opinion. Life wouldn't even be the same without him and that pretty face.

[YugoRocketsFan]

I don't have to read it to know that it's a garbage article.

 

............this is how all Republicans must think.

 

Its a great article btw.

[HipHopHead]

............this is how all Republicans must think.

 

Its a great article btw.

 

I remember you from other forums, you've always been biased against Kobe. I don't like him but I still know he's the best player in the NBA.

[YugoRocketsFan]

I remember you from other forums, you've always been biased against Kobe. I don't like him but I still know he's the best player in the NBA.

 

Which forums? What was your name there? I always havent been biased, I just dont think he is as great as people make him out to be, if he had won the majority of finals MVPs, won more MVP awards, did great more than just 4-5 years and made his teammates a lot better, I would consider him as great as others do.

 

The best player debate is still up in the air, I think LeBron takes it.

[kingfish]

He did somethin Jordan never did....

 

 

Win an NBA title without a hall of fame teammate.

[Real Deal]

Kobe doesn't make his teammates better? I can put that to rest easily by giving improved stats from Smush Parker, Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza, and many other players.

 

And yeah, the "Kobe was Robin" argument needs to die. In NBA history, there was no other "Robin" who averaged 28 PPG and shot more times than "Batman," let alone ran the offense. When you can find me ONE, I'll reconsider.

[HipHopHead]

Which forums? What was your name there? I always havent been biased, I just dont think he is as great as people make him out to be, if he had won the majority of finals MVPs, won more MVP awards, did great more than just 4-5 years and made his teammates a lot better, I would consider him as great as others do.

 

The best player debate is still up in the air, I think LeBron takes it.

 

And how many finals MVP's has Lebron won? Oh yes, that would require him to actually win something which he has yet to do. Kobe has been excellent his whole career, not just the 5 years you're making out. Sure Kobe had Shaw for two of the championships, does that make him any less of a player? Also consider Shaw was the veteran at that time so no kidding he was the leader of the team.

 

Lebron has yet to do any of the things you've stated that Kobe hasn't done. Kobe is much more of an offensive player. Along with that, Lebron is undoubtedly a narcissist prick which could also stain his legacy.

 

Let's not turn this into a Lebron vs. Kobe argument as that's unfair. All in all, I think it's pretty impossible to label Kobe overrated as he has lived up to any hype he's ever had, then some.

[YugoRocketsFan]

And how many finals MVP's has Lebron won? Oh yes, that would require him to actually win something which he has yet to do. Kobe has been excellent his whole career, not just the 5 years you're making out. Sure Kobe had Shaw for two of the championships, does that make him any less of a player? Also consider Shaw was the veteran at that time so no kidding he was the leader of the team.

 

Lebron has yet to do any of the things you've stated that Kobe hasn't done. Kobe is much more of an offensive player. Along with that, Lebron is undoubtedly a narcissist prick which could also stain his legacy.

 

Let's not turn this into a Lebron vs. Kobe argument as that's unfair. All in all, I think it's pretty impossible to label Kobe overrated as he has lived up to any hype he's ever had, then some.

 

lol.

[HipHopHead]

lol.

 

Well at least you kept an interesting argument.

 

I think the Kobe vs. Jordan argument is irrelevant as well. You find this comparison in much of pop culture, a legendary veteran considered the best at what his job compared to a new star that people consider better than this veteran. I look at it as basically people so desperate to fill the void that that player took up when he retired, that they'll consider anybody to fill it. This can be seen for example in hip-hop. Many people consider Jay-Z the best rapper ever, then artists like Lil Wayne and the likes come around and people automatically try and make that comparison. I don't necessarily believe in this, or even that Jay-Z is the best rapper ever just as I do for Jordan.

[Poe]

I love the tone he sets on this article in the beginning. The "sadness" of Kobe winning his "first ring without Shaq", or in other words "first ring by himself", as if anyone wins a championship on their own in a team sport.

 

 

It's quite obvious from the get-go that this article was made because this guy simply doesn't like Kobe very much.

Edited March 29, 2010 by Poe

[Flash]

I lol'd the second I read the thread title and then even more once I opened it and saw someone actually say he's not top 3. Who are you gonna put there at 3? Durant? Melo? Neither is as complete a player as Kobe.

[The Regime]

Haha I just finished reading the article, and all I can say is WOW this guy is a super hater. Way to disregard all of Kobe's accomplishments. Article is completely one sided.

 

Kobe was equally important as Shaq during that dynasty, it's as simple as that. I thought all this "Kobe can't do it by himself" [expletive] would end after last season but apparently not.

Edited March 29, 2010 by Confidence

[YugoRocketsFan]

Haha I just finished reading the article, and all I can say is WOW this guy is a super hater. Way to disregard all of Kobe's accomplishments. Article is completely one sided.

 

Kobe was equally important as Shaq during that dynasty, it's as simple as that. I thought all this "Kobe can't do it by himself" [expletive] would end after last season but apparently not.

Super hater? He has plenty of good points why Kobe is overrated, not that he is [expletive] or not a top 3 player. Kobe wasnt equally as important as Shaq either, thats overrating him, Shaq won all 3 of the finals MVPs. He did regard all of Kobe's accomplishments, but he shows that compared to MJ, he just didnt get enough of them.

 

There is a reason that he put Laker fans should read with an open mind because people like you jump to conclusions that hes a hater.

[YugoRocketsFan]

I lol'd the second I read the thread title and then even more once I opened it and saw someone actually say he's not top 3. Who are you gonna put there at 3? Durant? Melo? Neither is as complete a player as Kobe.

 

Where did he say that?

[Lemon]

"Kobe Bryant Wasn’t As Big of a Factor As Perception Makes it Seem"

 

Disagree. Kobe was a great facilitator and playmaker in the perimeter during the Shaq dynasty. He also fails to mention Kobe's defense.

 

"Kobe Bryant is One of The Most Under-Performing Finals Player Ever"

 

This one I would actually agree with if it wasn't so exaggerated. Saying this and saying Kobe plays better during the season than he does in the playoffs is completely different. This is compared to a person like Jordan whose stats increased a lot during the playoffs. That being said, as a Laker fan I'm still waiting for Kobe to explode in a playoff game to break Elgin Baylor's record because he's certainly capable.

 

"Kobe Bryant’s FGP Isn’t Up There With The All-Time Greats"

 

Disagree that this makes Kobe underrated. It's true but he also states WHY his field goal percentage is so low and that's because he's reliant on his jumpshot. I don't see why that makes him overrated though. Out of the all time greats I would say that Kobe was the least athletic or physically gifted. And not too many players are consistently great with their jumpshot. Jordan is the only person that comes to mind and that's why Kobe gets compared to him.

[YugoRocketsFan]

"Kobe Bryant Wasn’t As Big of a Factor As Perception Makes it Seem"

 

Disagree. Kobe was a great facilitator and playmaker in the perimeter during the Shaq dynasty. He also fails to mention Kobe's defense.

 

"Kobe Bryant is One of The Most Under-Performing Finals Player Ever"

 

This one I would actually agree with if it wasn't so exaggerated. Saying this and saying Kobe plays better during the season than he does in the playoffs is completely different. This is compared to a person like Jordan whose stats increased a lot during the playoffs. That being said, as a Laker fan I'm still waiting for Kobe to explode in a playoff game to break Elgin Baylor's record because he's certainly capable.

 

"Kobe Bryant’s FGP Isn’t Up There With The All-Time Greats"

 

Disagree that this makes Kobe underrated. It's true but he also states WHY his field goal percentage is so low and that's because he's reliant on his jumpshot. I don't see why that makes him overrated though. Out of the all time greats I would say that Kobe was the least athletic or physically gifted. And not too many players are consistently great with their jumpshot. Jordan is the only person that comes to mind and that's why Kobe gets compared to him.

 

Good post.

 

Kobe was quite a factor in the dynasty but he wasnt as much as people make it seem, he was definitely a good second man but people make it seem like he won those championships for the Lakers

 

He did underperform, but the series vs the Magic, he performed well

 

His FG% isnt in terms with the all-time greats, hes been a mid to low 40% shooter, so he does have a point, he does rely on his jumpshot too much. Kobe's slashing wasnt as good as Jordan's.

[Real Deal]

Shaq won all 3 of the finals MVPs.

That's because Finals MVP's are for 4-7 games, and that's it. Who won the last Finals MVP for the Spurs? Tony Parker.

 

Paul Pierce won it for Boston two years ago, but we know why they were champs...and it's more obvious now, because Boston is struggling to stay in contention as Garnett struggles to stay healthy.

 

Finals MVP's are a joke. Shaq ended up with Rik Smits opposing him, and Kobe had Reggie Miller. Shaq took MacCulloch and Collins, Kobe had Kidd and Kittles. Granted Shaq did abuse a DPOY in Mutombo, it was Kobe who had to step up and defend Iverson when Fisher was getting lit, and Iverson was the reigning MVP.

 

That's like Aaron Brooks being defended by a weak point guard all game. He goes off and scores 30. Finals MVP's shouldn't define a player for a full season, let alone through 4-7 games.

[YugoRocketsFan]

That's because Finals MVP's are for 4-7 games, and that's it. Who won the last Finals MVP for the Spurs? Tony Parker.

 

Paul Pierce won it for Boston two years ago, but we know why they were champs...and it's more obvious now, because Boston is struggling to stay in contention as Garnett struggles to stay healthy.

 

Finals MVP's are a joke. Shaq ended up with Rik Smits opposing him, and Kobe had Reggie Miller. Shaq took MacCulloch and Collins, Kobe had Kidd and Kittles. Granted Shaq did abuse a DPOY in Mutombo, it was Kobe who had to step up and defend Iverson when Fisher was getting lit, and Iverson was the reigning MVP.

 

That's like Aaron Brooks being defended by a weak point guard all game. He goes off and scores 30. Finals MVP's shouldn't define a player for a full season, let alone through 4-7 games.

 

Finals MVPs are still an important note of who performed the best in the biggest stage of the game, the NBA finals. Paul Pierce won it because he was being guarded by Radmanovic, the Celtics obviously knew that Kobe couldn't defend both Ray Allen and Paul Pierce so they just fed their perimeter players.

 

Regardless of who you are guarded by, Shaq still performed very well, and as you mentioned did abuse Mutombo, Kobe still could have at least won 1 finals MVP, but Shaq still was the leader of the team.

 

I am not saying Kobe was a role player but I am saying he was still 2nd fiddle, regardless of his production and how well he did, he still was 2nd fiddle. Shaq was the man on that team.

 

Edit: My post sounds so contradictory LOL.

Edited March 29, 2010 by YugoRocketsFan

[Lemon]

Good post.

 

Kobe was quite a factor in the dynasty but he wasnt as much as people make it seem, he was definitely a good second man but people make it seem like he won those championships for the Lakers

 

He did underperform, but the series vs the Magic, he performed well

 

His FG% isnt in terms with the all-time greats, hes been a mid to low 40% shooter, so he does have a point, he does rely on his jumpshot too much. Kobe's slashing wasnt as good as Jordan's.

 

That's what I'm saying about Kobe's jumpshot. He's had to rely on his jumpshot more than other alltime greats due to his lack of a noticeably great physical gift. Jordan had rockets on his shoes and big mitts. Magic Johnson had dominating strength to support his pinpoint passes (like Lebron). The only great that didn't have noticeably great athleticism was Larry Bird, but he was gifted with a Hall of Fame cast throughout his career.

 

As a second option though, Kobe did alot. Like RD said, he defended the best guy on the other team while also facilitating the offense and making plays. Compared to Pippen in Jordan's teams, Kobe was alot more influential because of that.

[Flash]

Where did he say that?

amazing article and it shows that Kobe isnt a top 3 player as many people say

[YugoRocketsFan]

 

 

I meant top 3 of all time, hes obviously at worst, 2nd best player in the NBA.

[Check my Stats]

That's what I'm saying about Kobe's jumpshot. He's had to rely on his jumpshot more than other alltime greats due to his lack of a noticeably great physical gift. Jordan had rockets on his shoes and big mitts. Magic Johnson had dominating strength to support his pinpoint passes (like Lebron). The only great that didn't have noticeably great athleticism was Larry Bird, but he was gifted with a Hall of Fame cast throughout his career.

 

As a second option though, Kobe did alot. Like RD said, he defended the best guy on the other team while also facilitating the offense and making plays. Compared to Pippen in Jordan's teams, Kobe was alot more influential because of that.

 

Lol?

 

I agree in some senses that Kobe is overrated, like as a leader for example. I didn't read the article but Kobe is still one of the greatest in the NBA ever. I think Kobe is talented as hell but the one thing that has always been missing from his game is that I do not believe he makes his teammates better compared to someone like LeBron James. I also think Kobe is one of the most overrated defenders in the NBA these days.

 

Also Kobe doesn't 'rely' on his jumper, he just would rather take jump shots than get to the hole. This has been the case for the past few seasons. Watch highlights of number 8 Kobe, he was throwing down highlight dunks nightly. Obviously age plays a part in this but I am not convinced that Kobe is unable to get to the rack anymore, I just believe he chooses not to. It doesn't help with the paint being so clogged all the time, but still.

Edited March 29, 2010 by travesy3