YugoRocketsFan Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 (edited) I dont believe it, theres no way he deserves it, when has he ever shut another center down? Other than the fact that he grabs rebounds and blocks shots, there is really no competition for him to face, he hasnt been proven defensively when facing other centers, he is also lucky that Yao has been injured this season, if anything, perimeters players in this era deserve DPOY every time, KG. Camby and Dwight have received them, but where are players like Kobe, Battier, Artest, Sefolosha, etc. Perimeter players deserve to get it because they are the ones defending Kobe, LeBron, Durant, Wade, etc. Who does the hell does Dwight have to defend? Chuck Hayes? Edited April 13, 2010 by YugoRocketsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 (edited) Because when people get to the rim and see Kobe Bryant or Shane Battier they don't have to adjust their shots 75% of the time like they do with Dwight Howard. Not to mention all the extra possessions Dwight prevents on the defensive glass by getting every board, not to mention all the 4 point swings he creates with his blocked shots. I suppose I agree Dwight is somewhat overrated in a man to man defensive situation, and he tends to think he can block every shot that goes up, but overall no one impacts the game defensively as much as he does. A wing will never win the award unless they are particularly superb on a great defensive team like Artest was. Dwight has to play defense for his entire team for everytime VC or Shard get burned on the perimeter. Edited April 13, 2010 by travesy3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Also who do you suggest win it instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted April 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Because when people get to the rim and see Kobe Bryant or Shane Battier they don't have to adjust their shots 75% of the time like they do with Dwight Howard. Not to mention all the extra possessions Dwight prevents on the defensive glass by getting every board, not to mention all the 4 point swings he creates with his blocked shots. I suppose I agree Dwight is somewhat overrated in a man to man defensive situation, and he tends to think he can block every shot that goes up, but overall no one impacts the game defensively as much as he does. A wing will never win the award unless they are particularly superb on a great defensive team like Artest was. Dwight has to play defense for his entire team for everytime VC or Shard get burned on the perimeter. Changing shots is a center's job, Yao changed a lot of shots, probably as much as Dwight Howard. He does impact the game defensively but he has no other center to face, he got owned by Yao every single time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdog17k Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 http://easyaspi.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/haters.gif Naw but seriously where does consistency come in? Howard is guaranteed to come away with a double double most nights. He plays with a lot of heart. And when did stats not matter? That's like saying LBJ shouldn't get MVP because all he does is score points and get assists. Howard is a superstar what do you expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted April 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 http://easyaspi.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/haters.gif Naw but seriously where does consistency come in? Howard is guaranteed to come away with a double double most nights. He plays with a lot of heart. And when did stats not matter? That's like saying LBJ shouldn't get MVP because all he does is score points and get assists. Howard is a superstar what do you expect? He is consistent, he plays with a lot of heart, but shotblocking stats do not make you a good defender, same with rebounds, yes he does things that stops the team from scoring but I wouldn't call him the best defender, a perimeter players should get it because he defends the best like all the players I mentioned, LeBron's situation is also way different and doesnt have any relation to DPOY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted April 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Also who do you suggest win it instead? F if i know, but I dont think Dwight deserves it because he isnt defending any quality centers, if anything all the NBA centers are crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 (edited) It doesn't really matter who he plays face up each night, he is the reason the Magic are winning close to 60 games this year and the reason he is so dominant ISN'T his offense. I just don't know who I would put ahead of him. Camby was the only guy who was as intimidating as D12 in the paint recently but Camby is about 3 years past being able to protect the hole the way Dwight does. KG was a great post defender as well but he is done now. Yes changing shots and blocking shots is a Center's job, but none of them do it as efficiently and well as Dwight. Let's not forget how often the Magic play Shard at the 4, so Dwight is basically battling in the post by himself, he is a machine on the boards. Oden is the only player who I picture contending with Dwight for the next 5-8 years for this award TBH. Edited April 13, 2010 by travesy3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted April 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 It doesn't really matter who he plays face up each night, he is the reason the Magic are winning close to 60 games this year and the reason he is so dominant ISN'T his offense. I just don't know who I would put ahead of him. Camby was the only guy who was as intimidating as D12 in the paint recently but Camby is about 3 years past being able to protect the hole the way Dwight does. KG was a great post defender as well but he is done now. Yes changing shots and blocking shots is a Center's job, but none of them do it as efficiently and well as Dwight. Let's not forget how often the Magic play Shard at the 4, so Dwight is basically battling in the post by himself, he is a machine on the boards. Oden is the only player who I picture contending with Dwight for the next 5-8 years for this award TBH. He isnt the reason the Magic are close to winning 60 games, he is ONE of the reasons they are winning close 60 games, that team is super talented, they have Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, Jameer Nelson, dont even need to finish, you have the point. Camby was terrible defensively, he might have blocked shots and rebound the ball, but he let in so many layups (I am sure Snake could elaborate, he watched way more Nuggets game than I have). BTW, CAMBY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Yao has been the most intimidating person in the paint you mean, hes 7'6 ffs, or 2.29m since you're Canadian. BTW I could care less what Dwight does with balls that hit the rim, or idiot 6 foot PGs going in for layups, he still hasnt been an elite man-to-man defender and doesnt make a huge impact defensively on other centers, Yao is the best example I can find, who destroys Dwight in matchups, if Dwight ever plays great defense on Yao, i'll admit hes DPOY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 (edited) He is consistent, he plays with a lot of heart, but shotblocking stats do not make you a good defender, same with rebounds, yes he does things that stops the team from scoring but I wouldn't call him the best defender, a perimeter players should get it because he defends the best like all the players I mentioned, LeBron's situation is also way different and doesnt have any relation to DPOYOk. You might as well say Camby and Wallace did not deserve those awards. I'm not saying they deserved it, I just find it funny that you say Howard doesn't deserve it yet you didn't bring up those 2. By the way, if it wasn't for Howard being so dominate in the middle, how could the Magic get away with so many threes??? Edited April 13, 2010 by Lone Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted April 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Ok. You might as well say Camby and Wallace did not deserve those awards. I'm not saying they deserved it, I just find it funny that you say Howard doesn't deserve it yet you didn't bring up those 2. By the way, if it wasn't for Howard being so dominate in the middle, how could the Magic get away with so many threes??? Camby? No, Wallace, definitely, he has always played great defense. The Magic get away with 3s, because they play well as a team, he shouldn't be grabbing that much attention in the post, hes overrated offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regime Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Also who do you suggest win it instead? Ron Artest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutch Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 ron artest or thabo sefolosha should get it then..they lock down the top players on a nightly basis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 (edited) Camby? No, Wallace, definitely, he has always played great defense. The Magic get away with 3s, because they play well as a team, he shouldn't be grabbing that much attention in the post, hes overrated offensively.Um, ok. So, please tell me why they get away with wide open threes, then.. Actually, I will. Howard draws players, passes it out, person either shoots or passes it to another perimeter shooter, bam, 3 points. Same thing when he gets the offensive rebound. Stats can be overrated, if used incorrectly. I'm not saying Howard deserves to get the DPOY that easily, but to say he's not the biggest impact on the team is quite ridiculous. Edited April 13, 2010 by Lone Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Looking at the team stats the Dwight Howard is the defensive player of the year hands down, his team has the best opponent FG% and they give up bottom 5 PPG in the league. He can't stop anyone one on one? Well if that is the case he is finding other ways to be dominant defensively since the Magic are not littered with elite defenders (Shard at PF? VC? Nelson? No....), he is the anchor on arguably the best defensive team in the NBA. Unless I am missing something, which I definitely could be since I don't really look into team stats all that much, those are the two biggest things to measure a team's defense. Dwight is the anchor defensively on one of the best defensive teams in the league, he has the stats to back it up as well. Dwight can't 'stop' Yao? Okay, Battier or Thabo can't stop Kobe either so I fail to see your point (no Yao=/= Kobe of big men but the point remains). Great players can't 'stop' each other. On the defensive end of the floor Dwight affects the game more often than anyone in the league and that is why he deserves this award. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 The idea that man defense is paramount is the biggest misconception in basketball. There are no marquee names at the five worth mentioning, but while wings are 'shutting' one player down, an anchor like Howard can shut an entire offense down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Blasco Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Howard's dMult (the stat that measures the total amount of production opponents put up against a specific player vs. their average against the entire league) is number 1 for centers and it's not even close.First Team and Defensive Player of the Year - Dwight Howard, OrlandoWhen I fill out my awards ballot tomorrow, there will be two honors that merit virtually no discussion because they are so obvious. One is MVP and the other is Defensive Player of the Year. Howard is so far beyond his peers defensively it is remarkable. He's accounted for 13.9 WARP at the defensive end, which would be good enough to place him in the league's top 10 in total WARP even if Howard was merely average on offense. Howard ranks second in the league in defensive rebound percentage and ninth in block percentage, and he's also stifled opposing centers. His dMult looks like a typo; opponents have been held an incomprehensible 41.4 percent below their usual production. Orlando is at the moment the league's best defensive team despite starting a converted small forward at the four, a poor defender at shooting guard and for much of the year either an aging Jason Williams or Jameer Nelson hobbled by knee surgery at the point. That's a testament to the incredible force that Howard is in the paint. http://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1071 For comparison's sake, Howard's dMult is about 0.590 (opposing centers record 60% of their usual production against Howard) while Kendrick Perkins' is about 0.900. As mentioned, the Magic are an elite defensive team with really, only Mickael Pietrus as a top flight defender (though Carter hasn't been as abysmal as he was in years past, Matt Barnes has his moments, and having essentially four smalls allows them to rotate favorably on the perimeter). Dwight has to guard Kobe, LeBron, Wade, and Durant, every time their teams put those players in a screen. Dwight is good at showing on the screen so those players don't get pocket jump shots, and he's quick enough to keep pace with those players as they drive to the paint. And he's improved his awareness where those players aren't getting easy layups or assists when they attack the paint. Go watch how many missed layups teams have against the Magic if you want to value his worth, and stop harboring an anti-Dwight agenda simply because he's the polar Center rival of Yao Ming. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted May 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Dwight I really apologize 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted May 5, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Dwight I really apologizeHaha...yep. While I said he deserved the award, I actually said that Oden was the best defensive big in the NBA before he was injured. Fact is, Howard would've kept that title even if Oden stayed healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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