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In both ways, the Yankees did not feel they were set. Hairston and Hinske left, and Gardner, at that point, still needed to show that he was ready to frequently start rather than his usual pinch-running role last year. Thames and Winn were brought in for more than fielding. There's a reason that the talks between the team and Boras went on for weeks before it seemed unlikely that Johnny would return. The reason that negotiations couldn't come to the finish line was money, not the FO's decision to be satisfied with what we had.

Lol Johnny Damon lowered his price simply so to make it more appealing to the Yankees, after they traded for Granderson they knew their lineup was set without Damon. They had enough DEPTH offensively to go out and sign someone cheap to play LF. It had nothing to do with not having the money, i guarantee you that.

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The Yankees said "Johnny, we're giving you until Friday to lower your demands, 2 for 23 is ridiculous, and we won't pay it... Come Friday, we're signing Nick Johnson and moving on if you haven't." He didn't call back, and they signed Nick Johnson for $2M. I'm not sure what's being argued by the Mets fan as though he knows what he's talking about, but then again he's also the kid who told me earlier that Fernando Martinez and Wilmer Flores were both better prospects than Jesus Montero... lol. :lol:

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Just like Waldo mentioned the Yankees went the cheap route this year letting Damon walk for a reason. Now you think not only are they going to pay Berkmans contract but now they are going to trade for him. What do you think the Astros are going to let him walk for free? Steinberner might have done it but Cashman is smart he will not destroy the farm system for a half year rental. So yes, the Yankees going after Berkman is very unrealistic, what happens to Nick Johnson in this situation?

 

I don't get it, Cashman has been the GM the entire time... I think what you're saying is old Steinbrenner may have gone for it, but the new ones won't? The problem wasn't cash with Damon, it was years. He wanted two AND a high salary, the Yankees were willing to do one or the other. Let Berkman walk for free? Nah. But take a B level guy and save a little less than half of his salary? Sure.

 

PS - Nick Johnson is out of commission in this situation, if you read, I said it was only if his labia remained inflamed. Keep talking unrealistic as if you know sports :lol:

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I don't get it, Cashman has been the GM the entire time... I think what you're saying is old Steinbrenner may have gone for it, but the new ones won't? The problem wasn't cash with Damon, it was years. He wanted two AND a high salary, the Yankees were willing to do one or the other. Let Berkman walk for free? Nah. But take a B level guy and save a little less than half of his salary? Sure.

 

PS - Nick Johnson is out of commission in this situation, if you read, I said it was only if his labia remained inflamed. Keep talking unrealistic as if you know sports :lol:

Cashman became the true GM of the team in 05, if you don't know that and agree with it then theres no point in arguing with you because your baseball knowledge is not up to mine. Maybe if you read the whole topic you'd realize that you just confirmed my whole point. The only thing I was arguing is the Yankees didn't let Damon walk because of lack of money, they let him walk because they simply didn't need him. I guess you were just too busy trying to attack me that you just didn't read my posts. And okay mr.know-it-all, who are the Yankees trading for Berkman? Yankees fans make me laugh.

 

 

Oh yeah keep thinking you know more than me because you looked at a list and use it to run your whole life. I've seen Montero play, I've seen Fernando play, I've seen Wilmer play.

 

Edit - Just reread your post and wowow at least look something up online before you say it and make yourself look dumb.

 

Nick Johnson is back and Johnny Damon said so long, explaining he and the Yankees couldn’t get together on a two-year deal.

 

The Yankees agreed with Johnson on a one-year contract worth $5.5 million with another $1 million in incentives that will become official after he passes a physical Monday.

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Cashman became the true GM of the team in 05, if you don't know that and agree with it then theres no point in arguing with you because your baseball knowledge is not up to mine.

 

Bro seriously? Now you, of all people, are going to run some superiority complex? You're a bum, lol, stick to your fanny pack Mets bull[expletive]. Looking up opinions on a website doesn't give you great baseball knowledge, and you prove it when you play Mets fanboy homer and tout F-Mart and Wilmer as superior prospects to Montero. :lol:

 

Maybe if you read the whole topic you'd realize that you just confirmed my whole point. The only thing I was arguing is the Yankees didn't let Damon walk because of lack of money, they let him walk because they simply didn't need him. I guess you were just too busy trying to attack me that you just didn't read my posts.

 

No, the Yankees let Damon walk because they enforced a BUDGET this year and were strict on not giving Damon a multi-year deal, as they are/were going to go hard at Crawford in the '11 offseason. They even broke their multi-year idea, figuring he could be a bench player in the second year, but Damon literally said "2 for 24 or don't call me" because his agent is a [expletive]ing douchebag and he overshot his value. I wasn't too busy attacking you, I was too busy saying what I was trying to say and you ignored it, lol. Damon overpriced himself and that's why he's not here; not because we "didn't need him".

 

And okay mr.know-it-all, who are the Yankees trading for Berkman? Yankees fans make me laugh.

 

Fan trade offers are idiotic, I'm not going to make one. Saying that the Yankees might possibly acquire Lance Berkman and his pro-rated salary at the trade deadline if Nick Johnson is still injured is a crazy concept? You're loopy, man. Loopy. I'm glad we make you laugh, the fact that you're the red headed stepchild makes us laugh, tbqh.

 

Oh yeah keep thinking you know more than me because you looked at a list and use it to run your whole life. I've seen Montero play, I've seen Fernando play, I've seen Wilmer play.

 

There are plenty of baseball fans here, stop trying to make a point that you won't make, find someone to honestly agree with you.

 

Edit - Just reread your post and wowow at least look something up online before you say it and make yourself look dumb.

 

Slap me and call me Susan, I confused Winn's contract with Johnson's because I didn't have the time/effort (drunk out of my mind at 2+ AM) to google Nick's contract info. Discredit everything I said.

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I would love to have him on our team. Right now pitching is what's keeping us from being a playoff-contending team. I'd trade Prince for Oswalt since Prince is just going to leave after next season anyway. Might as well get something for him that could help us win a few games.

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Lol Johnny Damon lowered his price simply so to make it more appealing to the Yankees, after they traded for Granderson they knew their lineup was set without Damon. They had enough DEPTH offensively to go out and sign someone cheap to play LF. It had nothing to do with not having the money, i guarantee you that.

When I say they didn't have the money, I'm referring to what Cashman had available in his budget. That played a huge role in what we did over the offseason.

 

What depth did we have offensively prior to Winn and Thames? Ramiro Pena? We still wanted Damon because we would have shifted Gardner back to the bench and had Johnny, a weapon against lefty pitchers, in the lineup. The reason we signed Winn and Thames was for more than just the field. If the field setup were the problem, we wouldn't have signed two more LF's. As I said earlier, we needed to replace the bats of Hinske and Hairston, so we went for those guys. Thames is great against left-handed pitchers, just like Damon was. There's a connection.

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Bro seriously? Now you, of all people, are going to run some superiority complex? You're a bum, lol, stick to your fanny pack Mets bull[expletive]. Looking up opinions on a website doesn't give you great baseball knowledge, and you prove it when you play Mets fanboy homer and tout F-Mart and Wilmer as superior prospects to Montero. :lol:

I don't look up opinions, I make them myself, which is why you ESPN fans always disagree with me. Lol I'm not the one using baseball america to make my cases pal.

 

 

 

No, the Yankees let Damon walk because they enforced a BUDGET this year and were strict on not giving Damon a multi-year deal, as they are/were going to go hard at Crawford in the '11 offseason. They even broke their multi-year idea, figuring he could be a bench player in the second year, but Damon literally said "2 for 24 or don't call me" because his agent is a [expletive]ing douchebag and he overshot his value. I wasn't too busy attacking you, I was too busy saying what I was trying to say and you ignored it, lol. Damon overpriced himself and that's why he's not here; not because we "didn't need him".
Lol, it's exactly because you didn't need him, because if you did you would have got him. The Yankees may set a budget but they ain't afraid to break it if they have something they need to get. They didn't need Damon simple as that.

 

 

Fan trade offers are idiotic, I'm not going to make one. Saying that the Yankees might possibly acquire Lance Berkman and his pro-rated salary at the trade deadline if Nick Johnson is still injured is a crazy concept? You're loopy, man. Loopy. I'm glad we make you laugh, the fact that you're the red headed stepchild makes us laugh, tbqh.

Yes it is a crazy concept, but your a Yankee fan I can't expect much more. BTW Mets were another E4 away from a sweep.

 

 

There are plenty of baseball fans here, stop trying to make a point that you won't make, find someone to honestly agree with you.

I can careless if anyone agrees with me, I don't need anyone on my side, I'm the only Cowboys fan and the only Mets fan, just because someone dosen't agree with me on this forum doesn't mean I'm wrong.

 

Slap me and call me Susan, I confused Winn's contract with Johnson's because I didn't have the time/effort (drunk out of my mind at 2+ AM) to google Nick's contract info. Discredit everything I said.

Blaming it on the alcohol? :lol:

 

 

When I say they didn't have the money, I'm referring to what Cashman had available in his budget. That played a huge role in what we did over the offseason.

 

What depth did we have offensively prior to Winn and Thames? Ramiro Pena? We still wanted Damon because we would have shifted Gardner back to the bench and had Johnny, a weapon against lefty pitchers, in the lineup. The reason we signed Winn and Thames was for more than just the field. If the field setup were the problem, we wouldn't have signed two more LF's. As I said earlier, we needed to replace the bats of Hinske and Hairston, so we went for those guys. Thames is great against left-handed pitchers, just like Damon was. There's a connection.

 

Posada

Texiera

Cano

Jeter

A-rod

Swisher

Granderson

Johnson

 

that's what depth you had offensively, you don't need a MLB all star at every position to win games. Of course you wanted Johnny but you didn't NEED him you had the money to get him but with that lineup there is no need to spend money on another guy. Funny Bounding contradicts his own argument saying the Yankees let Damon walk because he was out of their budget but they are going to pick up Berkmans 2 year 30 million dollar deal at the price of a prospect.

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I don't look up opinions, I make them myself, which is why you ESPN fans always disagree with me. Lol I'm not the one using baseball america to make my cases pal.

You are simply showing how little you know me, calling me an "ESPN" fan. Easy thing to throw out though to look clever; I can't tell you the last time I watched anything on ESPN, and I check their site for scores. Sweet job.

 

Lol, it's exactly because you didn't need him, because if you did you would have got him. The Yankees may set a budget but they ain't afraid to break it if they have something they need to get. They didn't need Damon simple as that.

Bro, please please please please please stop trying to act like you know more about our teams than we do. First with the Phillies spending, acting like you knew what they were doing with their budget and finances and all that, now with the Yankees? Keep your outside opinions to yourself, they're foolish. Write a Mets blog and nobody will bother you.

 

Yes it is a crazy concept, but your a Yankee fan I can't expect much more. BTW Mets were another E4 away from a sweep.

You're* I don't get your stance, the Yankees buy their players but can't muster up a trade for Berkman? Pick a side of the fence and stay on it.

 

Also, yes, good job this series. You got the best of us at the worst time of our season so far, thank gosh the season isn't made or broken in May.

 

I can careless if anyone agrees with me, I don't need anyone on my side, I'm the only Cowboys fan and the only Mets fan, just because someone dosen't agree with me on this forum doesn't mean I'm wrong.

I know bro, I can say that Ricky Ledee is better than Barry Bonds and not care what anyone says either, doesn't mean I'm right. lol. If you have a correct opinion, you wouldn't be the only one believing it, right? If you called WFAN with that statement, they'd laugh at you and then hang up. Time waster; stop being foolish.

 

Blaming it on the alcohol? :lol:

That I used the wrong figure for Nick Johnson's salary? lol @ that being such a strong hold in your argument, just shows how weak it truly is overall... w2g. Nothing said in the argument was discredited outside of you showing that I used the wrong digits... The theory remains and you can't battle it. That's why you picked such a flaw to focus on, weak debate tactic.

 

Funny Bounding contradicts his own argument saying the Yankees let Damon walk because he was out of their budget but they are going to pick up Berkmans 2 year 30 million dollar deal at the price of a prospect.

Yeah bro, you nailed this one on the head. Idiot.

His salary pro-rated, if acquired on the trade deadline, would have the Astros already having payed $9.13M. Which would leave about $5.37M for the Yankees to pick up. And 2 year, $30M? lol... He has a team option with a $2M buyout. If the Yankees don't want him for next year, he isn't there, simply as pie... $7.37M at the deadline for a DH if we need one and Nick Johnson is still hurt... Totally [expletive]ing unreasonable, lol. Keep it up, you're a cute debater. Bad at it, but cute.

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Also, I don't want you to misunderstand, if Damon would have signed for one year and around $5-9M, he's probably on the Yankees. But it was the years that also held them up, with the budget. Yanks wanted him on a 1 year, he demanded multi-year.

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You are simply showing how little you know me, calling me an "ESPN" fan. Easy thing to throw out though to look clever; I can't tell you the last time I watched anything on ESPN, and I check their site for scores. Sweet job.

I can careless it's just a term I use for people who use sites like Baseball America to use their point as opposed to actually having a first hand opinion.

Bro, please please please please please stop trying to act like you know more about our teams than we do. First with the Phillies spending, acting like you knew what they were doing with their budget and finances and all that, now with the Yankees? Keep your outside opinions to yourself, they're foolish. Write a Mets blog and nobody will bother you.

The Phillies never have been big spenders, just because they finally started doing it doesn't mean I'm wrong about the past.

 

You're* I don't get your stance, the Yankees buy their players but can't muster up a trade for Berkman? Pick a side of the fence and stay on it.

Who are they trading? Prospects, like I said earlier Steinbrener isn't in control, the Yankees would have to give up Romine to land Berkman which would be an absolutley ridiculous trade for a guy that you have to pay 7.5 mil for 70 games when especially when what the Yankees really need is a reliever, they have one of the strongest offenses and they are going to break their 'precious budget' to go get Berkman, grow a brain.

 

I know bro, I can say that Ricky Ledee is better than Barry Bonds and not care what anyone says either, doesn't mean I'm right. lol. If you have a correct opinion, you wouldn't be the only one believing it, right? If you called WFAN with that statement, they'd laugh at you and then hang up. Time waster; stop being foolish.

Yet all you can tell is about Montero, you can tell me a thing about Flores, yes you can say Bonds is better than Ladee because you've seen them both play. You are taking a ranking from a website and taking it to prove your point. I think I proved those rankings are completely irrelevant considering the highest Pujols was ranked was 42nd. Wilmer Flores is a stud prospect, maybe not f-mart over Montero I honestly said that to get a rise, but yes I honestly believe Wilmer will be a better pro.

 

That I used the wrong figure for Nick Johnson's salary? lol @ that being such a strong hold in your argument, just shows how weak it truly is overall... w2g. Nothing said in the argument was discredited outside of you showing that I used the wrong digits... The theory remains and you can't battle it. That's why you picked such a flaw to focus on, weak debate tactic.

How was that a strong hold at all lol? I mentioned after I made my point with a quick edit. I just thought it was funny that acted like you knew the Yankees so much but you think Johnson signed for 2 mil lmao.

Yeah bro, you nailed this one on the head. Idiot.

His salary pro-rated, if acquired on the trade deadline, would have the Astros already having payed $9.13M. Which would leave about $5.37M for the Yankees to pick up. And 2 year, $30M? lol... He has a team option with a $2M buyout. If the Yankees don't want him for next year, he isn't there, simply as pie... $7.37M at the deadline for a DH if we need one and Nick Johnson is still hurt... Totally [expletive]ing unreasonable, lol. Keep it up, you're a cute debater. Bad at it, but cute.

Pro rated or not 5.37 is a lot to pay someone for less than half year. Your giving a guy 7.37 M to play what 70 games? You do the math genius.

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I can careless it's just a term I use for people who use sites like Baseball America to use their point as opposed to actually having a first hand opinion.

lol... My opinion was that Montero is a superior prospect. You tried to say the month of April makes the Mets guys better. You honestly took my "first hand opinion" and tried to say that it didn't matter because Wilmer Flores was better in the month of April, two levels below him in the minors. That's laughable in itself... But, you know more than the writers at Baseball America. Keep telling yourself that.

 

The Phillies never have been big spenders, just because they finally started doing it doesn't mean I'm wrong about the past.

You seem to hang your hat too much on the past.

 

Who are they trading? Prospects, like I said earlier Steinbrener isn't in control, the Yankees would have to give up Romine to land Berkman which would be an absolutley ridiculous trade for a guy that you have to pay 7.5 mil for 70 games when especially when what the Yankees really need is a reliever, they have one of the strongest offenses and they are going to break their 'precious budget' to go get Berkman, grow a brain.

lol, Romine for Berkman? lol. Lance Berkman 3 years ago might have commanded an A+ prospect, he is not that guy anymore. Especially when the vets are asking out and he's not playing well. Again, hanging your hat too much on the past.

 

Yet all you can tell is about Montero, you can tell me a thing about Flores, yes you can say Bonds is better than Ladee because you've seen them both play. You are taking a ranking from a website and taking it to prove your point. I think I proved those rankings are completely irrelevant considering the highest Pujols was ranked was 42nd. Wilmer Flores is a stud prospect, maybe not f-mart over Montero I honestly said that to get a rise, but yes I honestly believe Wilmer will be a better pro.

Wilmer had a .637 OPS at the same level ball that he is at this year. You are honestly using a month and a half to tout him a super prospect now? Come on, man... Montero has never spent more than one season at a level of ball and has excelled at every single stop he's had. He doesn't make his name on a month and a half of baseball. He's considered by some to be the on of the best pure hitters in the minors, now that Heyward is in the bigs.

 

How was that a strong hold at all lol? I mentioned after I made my point with a quick edit. I just thought it was funny that acted like you knew the Yankees so much but you think Johnson signed for 2 mil lmao.

Again, I mixed up his contract with Winn's, which are both pretty insignificant at the moment. That is Nene Hilarious. Please stop acting like I don't know my team to try and aid your side and give your argument credence, it's irritating.

 

Pro rated or not 5.37 is a lot to pay someone for less than half year. Your giving a guy 7.37 M to play what 70 games? You do the math genius.

You're* Is it a lot to pay someone for less than half a year? Depends on what you get from him, but it likely is, yes. Does it someone make it more than what Damon wanted, 2 for 24? Or can you admit that Berkman is irrelevant to the Damon conversation, which you conveniently tried to tie together? I did the math, genius, and it isn't 2 for 30, which you said... lol... to steal your line, "wowow at least look something up online before you say it and make yourself look dumb."

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lol... My opinion was that Montero is a superior prospect. You tried to say the month of April makes the Mets guys better. You honestly took my "first hand opinion" and tried to say that it didn't matter because Wilmer Flores was better in the month of April, two levels below him in the minors. That's laughable in itself... But, you know more than the writers at Baseball America. Keep telling yourself that.

This will be my last time doing this because its becoming childish. I respect that you think Montero is a good prospect but I don't think you hold the knowledge to call him a better player than Wilmer. 1 month is certainly enough to change prospects value.

You seem to hang your hat too much on the past.

If u say so

 

lol, Romine for Berkman? lol. Lance Berkman 3 years ago might have commanded an A+ prospect, he is not that guy anymore. Especially when the vets are asking out and he's not playing well. Again, hanging your hat too much on the past.

Last year Holliday went for Brett Wallace, Berkman is a better 1 yr rental than Holliday, of course Holliday did have a better value for his long term value if he resigned but Wallace >>> Romine

Wilmer had a .637 OPS at the same level ball that he is at this year. You are honestly using a month and a half to tout him a super prospect now? Come on, man... Montero has never spent more than one season at a level of ball and has excelled at every single stop he's had. He doesn't make his name on a month and a half of baseball. He's considered by some to be the on of the best pure hitters in the minors, now that Heyward is in the bigs.

I respect Montero he's a great prospect, considering I put him over F-mart and I'm the 'biggest homer ever' that should be praise no? Again, Wilmer as 17 yrs old last year, I hope your not surprised he struggled. However judging by pure ability I think Wilmer is a better prospect, not a knock at Montero, more of a praise for Wilmer.

 

Again, I mixed up his contract with Winn's, which are both pretty insignificant at the moment. That is Nene Hilarious. Please stop acting like I don't know my team to try and aid your side and give your argument credence, it's irritating.

Lol I can careless who signed for what A) It's funny because you were wrong B) It's funny that it's still making you so angry C) I would have forgot about it a long time ago if you stopped bring it up

You're* Is it a lot to pay someone for less than half a year? Depends on what you get from him, but it likely is, yes. Does it someone make it more than what Damon wanted, 2 for 24? Or can you admit that Berkman is irrelevant to the Damon conversation, which you conveniently tried to tie together? I did the math, genius, and it isn't 2 for 30, which you said... lol... to steal your line, "wowow at least look something up online before you say it and make yourself look dumb."

Yes keep correcting my grammar, YOU'RE cool. I didn't do the math care. Berkman is owed about 30 million dollars from the beginning of 2010 to the end of 2011 if his option is picked up and that's all I was referencing.

 

However

 

Paying Berkman for 59 games @ 5.37 would be 1 year 14.7 million and if you were set on cutting him next year it would 20.23 million for a full year. If you didn't cut him it would be

 

10: 90,740 per game aprox 14.7 mill over a full year 11: 92,592 game aprox 15 mill over a full year

 

14.7 + 15 = 29.7 mill so u were right not 2 years 30 mill 2 years 29.7 mill

 

Have a good day

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This will be my last time doing this because its becoming childish. I respect that you think Montero is a good prospect but I don't think you hold the knowledge to call him a better player than Wilmer. 1 month is certainly enough to change prospects value.

Cool story, I feel the same way about you, and no it's not lol.

 

Last year Holliday went for Brett Wallace, Berkman is a better 1 yr rental than Holliday, of course Holliday did have a better value for his long term value if he resigned but Wallace >>> Romine

'09 Holliday is of the same value as '10 Berkman? Pass it to the left.

 

I respect Montero he's a great prospect, considering I put him over F-mart and I'm the 'biggest homer ever' that should be praise no? Again, Wilmer as 17 yrs old last year, I hope your not surprised he struggled. However judging by pure ability I think Wilmer is a better prospect, not a knock at Montero, more of a praise for Wilmer.

Just admit you're building Flores as a prospect based off a month and a half and I'll give up.

 

Lol I can careless who signed for what A) It's funny because you were wrong B) It's funny that it's still making you so angry C) I would have forgot about it a long time ago if you stopped bring it up

Cool story bro.

 

Yes keep correcting my grammar, YOU'RE cool. I didn't do the math care. Berkman is owed about 30 million dollars from the beginning of 2010 to the end of 2011 if his option is picked up and that's all I was referencing.

You're assuming his option will be picked up @ 15M and that whatever team trades for him will owe his full 2010 amount... which is silly.

 

However

 

Paying Berkman for 59 games @ 5.37 would be 1 year 14.7 million and if you were set on cutting him next year it would 20.23 million for a full year. If you didn't cut him it would be

 

10: 90,740 per game aprox 14.7 mill over a full year 11: 92,592 game aprox 15 mill over a full year

 

14.7 + 15 = 29.7 mill so u were right not 2 years 30 mill 2 years 29.7 mill

 

Have a good day

lol, I honestly have no idea what any of this means... The Astros pay him game checks until he is traded. He will be owed about what I said, $5.37M, for the remainder of the season after the traded deadline. Why you multiplied that by whatever to try and make it seem like the Yankees would theoretically owe him more, I'm honestly not sure. And again, you're assuming his option would be picked up, which is impossible to say...

 

2x7+9-2^2[4-3] = Berkman would be owed 7+M total by the Yankees if they didn't pick up his team option. lol. Stop fighting it.

 

Night ^_^

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I see the Yankees making a deal for Berkman at the deadline. He'd fit perfectly in the DH spot and the short fence in right field would be his new best friend.

 

Damn I'm good.

 

1) LOL, @ Yankees making deal for Berkman <3 Yankees fans

 

fail.

 

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If I knew the price for Berkman was Melancon and no-name I would have never said that. Still find it funny how the Yankees planned to go cheap and then took on all this salary at the ASB, still the same ole Yanks.

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If I knew the price for Berkman was Melancon and no-name I would have never said that. Still find it funny how the Yankees planned to go cheap and then took on all this salary at the ASB, still the same ole Yanks.

 

The Astros are kicking in a bunch of money on Berkman. He also has a $15 million club option for 2011 with a $2 million buyout. Of the slightly more than $7.15 million remaining on the contract, the Yankees will pay $3,150,273, while Houston will pay $4 million.

 

New York will pay $1.5 million of the $3,672,131 remaining on Wood's $10.5 million salary this year. His contract includes an $11 million team option for 2011.

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