Phil talks about Kobe's fouls, Rivers' timeout

[Real Deal]

No link or anything, but it was the post game press conference. He stated he thought coaches weren't allowed to run out onto the court to call a timeout (should've been a technical), and he called some of Kobe's fouls "unusual" (and you can expect him to be fined for that, I'm sure).

[YugoRocketsFan]

Maybe 1-2 were unusual, and I think they arent allowed on the court when its not a time out or w/e

[EastCoastNiner]

No link or anything, but it was the post game press conference. He stated he thought coaches weren't allowed to run out onto the court to call a timeout (should've been a technical), and he called some of Kobe's fouls "unusual" (and you can expect him to be fined for that, I'm sure).

 

If Doc Rivers should have been given a technical foul, so should the Lakers because they had people on the bench step quite a distance on the floor, and were told to go back to the bench, during play.

 

Also, I know you aren't arguing, but if Phil Jackson wants to [expletive] about fouls, Pierce and David had two clean blocks called fouls, and that out of bounds play was not conclusive in any way from the angles they showed.

[Real Deal]

If Doc Rivers should have been given a technical foul, so should the Lakers because they had people on the bench step quite a distance on the floor, and were told to go back to the bench, during play.

 

Also, I know you aren't arguing, but if Phil Jackson wants to [expletive] about fouls, Pierce and David had two clean blocks called fouls, and that out of bounds play was not conclusive in any way from the angles they showed.

The Lakers players stepping out onto the floor...that didn't cause a turnover, and players do that from both sides all game long. Rivers jumped onto the court to call a timeout with basically a half a second to spare, right before a turnover. Big, big difference.

 

You're right about Pierce and Davis. Kobe had three fouls that were completely clean. Why that's bad for us? Because it's Kobe Bryant. Boston can live with Davis in foul trouble. Pierce had three called on him in 40 minutes. However, three of Bryant's fouls weren't warranted, and when it sticks him on the bench and forces us to watch Ray Allen light up Fisher, Brown and Farmar...it creates a massive hole we have to dig ourselves out of.

 

As far as the replay goes, everyone on the air thought it was conclusive. Gasol's hand was behind Garnett's, and the no-call that Garnett got away with (should've been over-the-back, as Mark Jackson pointed out) was more gasoline on the fire.

 

The loose ball foul on Artest, pushing Rajon's arm aside on that dash to the ball...I can provide plenty of loose ball clips that show similar instances of it happening, no calls. Pushing an arm off to the side is a foul when the player has the ball in a natural position. Otherwise, you shouldn't be called for it establishing or defending the post, chasing after loose balls, or pushing through screens or chasing the opposition off the ball.

 

All within the last minute or two of the game as well, after we took the lead. Crucial mistakes by the stripes.

[EastCoastNiner]

You're not the first person to say this tonight, but I hate how people are giving the whole "Well, Kobe is more valuable, so his fouls were worse" argument.

 

A foul is a foul, no matter the player, and yes, some of Kobe's were not even close to being fouls.

[Real Deal]

You're not the first person to say this tonight, but I hate how people are giving the whole "Well, Kobe is more valuable, so his fouls were worse" argument.

 

A foul is a foul, no matter the player, and yes, some of Kobe's were not even close to being fouls.

Yeah, but you're taking it the wrong way. We aren't saying that the referees should swallow their whistles because he's Kobe Bryant, we're simply saying that him having three very early fouls...then five very early fouls...hurts us way, way much more than a couple of bad calls on Boston's end hurts the Celtics.

[EastCoastNiner]

Yeah, but you're taking it the wrong way. We aren't saying that the referees should swallow their whistles because he's Kobe Bryant, we're simply saying that him having three very early fouls...then five very early fouls...hurts us way, way much more than a couple of bad calls on Boston's end hurts the Celtics.

 

When you say it like that, it comes across much clearer. Obviously he is worth more to his team, but I thought you were saying they shouldn't have called them.

[Real Deal]

When you say it like that, it comes across much clearer. Obviously he is worth more to his team, but I thought you were saying they shouldn't have called them.

They shouldn't have called them.

 

Not because he's Kobe...but because three of them were bad calls (as you pointed out as well).

[EastCoastNiner]

They shouldn't have called them.

 

Not because he's Kobe...but because three of them were bad calls (as you pointed out as well).

 

Yes, but you said, "Kobe had three fouls that were completely clean. Why that's bad for us? Because it's Kobe Bryant. Boston can live with Davis in foul trouble". It sounds like you're trying to say that Kobe needs preferential treatment because he's more valuable. I know that's not what you said, but that's how it's coming across when you say that Boston can live with Davis in foul trouble.

[Real Deal]

Yes, but you said, "Kobe had three fouls that were completely clean. Why that's bad for us? Because it's Kobe Bryant. Boston can live with Davis in foul trouble". It sounds like you're trying to say that Kobe needs preferential treatment because he's more valuable. I know that's not what you said, but that's how it's coming across when you say that Boston can live with Davis in foul trouble.

Nah...not that at all.

 

Basically, it's this...Kobe sits for the Lakers during the most crucial parts of the game, foul trouble, while Pierce and Davis receive two bad calls. What team is getting the worst part of the deal?

 

And that wouldn't be something that I would ever complain about if those fouls were legit, but they weren't. Three weren't, at least.

 

Because three weren't, it's a big deal. The referees should've been on top of their game. If it was Rondo that had three bad calls like that, and it put him on the bench, that's also a problem. Or Perkins. Doesn't even have to be a superstar, just a major piece to the puzzle.

 

Unfortunately for the Lakers, Kobe is the most significant piece we have, and when he picks up another two bad calls that keep him in and out of the third and fourth quarters (when he attacks the most), we're toast.

[Dr. Feelgood]

Yes, but you said, "Kobe had three fouls that were completely clean. Why that's bad for us? Because it's Kobe Bryant. Boston can live with Davis in foul trouble". It sounds like you're trying to say that Kobe needs preferential treatment because he's more valuable. I know that's not what you said, but that's how it's coming across when you say that Boston can live with Davis in foul trouble.

 

That isn't what I thought of when Real was explaining the three bad calls on Kobe. I wasn't thinking he meant "Those calls shouldn't have been made because he's Kobe Bryant", I read it as "Those were bad calls to our best player versus a couple of bad calls against a role player from the bench for the Celtics".

 

But hey, I missed most of the game and only caught the last 5 minutes. I did think it was a ridiculous call on Artest when Rondo didn't have the ball at all, the fact that it should of been out of bounds off of Garnett who's hand was clearly visible on the ball with Gasol's behind his hand and like Mark Jackson said, the over the back on KG. He got very lucky.

[Real Deal]

That isn't what I thought of when Real was explaining the three bad calls on Kobe. I wasn't thinking he meant "Those calls shouldn't have been made because he's Kobe Bryant", I read it as "Those were bad calls to our best player versus a couple of bad calls against a role player from the bench for the Celtics".

 

But hey, I missed most of the game and only caught the last 5 minutes. I did think it was a ridiculous call on Artest when Rondo didn't have the ball at all, the fact that it should of been out of bounds off of Garnett who's hand was clearly visible on the ball with Gasol's behind his hand and like Mark Jackson said, the over the back on KG. He got very lucky.

Yeah dude, those calls were massive. It would be a little different if we were down 20...I wouldn't feel so angry about them, but when it happens when we've come back from 14, in the NBA Finals, fourth quarter with a couple of minutes left...it's a dagger.

[The Regime]

Maybe 1-2 were unusual, and I think they arent allowed on the court when its not a time out or w/e

 

Those 1-2 fouls changed the entire second half.

[platoon793]

From the replay, it seemed to me it went off Gasol's finger. I think the refs got it right.

 

As for Kobe's fouls, I think 2-3 weren't really fouls, but I thought Boston played better all night and deserved to win. There were bad calls both ways the entire night in my opinion. And let's not forget Garnett had some foul trouble too. He had 2 fouls in like the first 2-3 minutes, and because of it he really wasn't in any kind of rhythm the whole game.

 

And Lakers could have won the game or at least have had a chance to win if Kobe didn't miss 3 big shots near the end.

[platoon793]

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[GamerGuy]

Not only did Garnett go over the back of Gasol, but he also held down his off arm. Nice.

[Nitro]

As I said in the game thread, the Lakers lost the game themselves, not the refs. I'd say 2 of Kobe's fouls were questionable (the step-through on Allen when Kobe's head hit Ray's, and the foul on Rondo), but still Kobe made some bad plays and put himself in a situation where one or two bad calls put him with 5 fouls. The Celtics were screwed on plenty of plays just like the Lakers were, if not worse (the Pierce and Davis blocks come to mind).

[platoon793]

Also, about the fouls on Davis and whoever else blocked a shot not as important as the ones on Kobe, let's also not forget the points that came off the free throws. I understand Kobe is a game changer obviously, but those few points that the Lakers shouldn't have had has an impact as well. Calls were bad either way, and I find it funny you guys are only focusing on the bad calls that went against the Lakers and not the ones that were bad against the Celtics.

Edited June 7, 2010 by platoon793

[platoon793]

By the way here is a link to the post game conference with Phil.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ddOB8ARp0

[Real Deal]

Not only did Garnett go over the back of Gasol, but he also held down his off arm. Nice.

LOL, just noticed that too.

 

Maybe we can keep Garnett on the floor the entire game for Game 3. Boston is a weaker team with him defending Gasol and struggling to shoot over his length.