Ubaldo shelled

[NomarFachix]

By the Red Sox AAAA lineup. [expletive], even Lackey went 2 for 3. Big boys bashin.

 

Trojan, where you at?

[Guest STL10]

He had one bad outing. It was laughable people thought he would eclipse Bob Gibson's 1968. Bob Gibson=Most clutch pitcher ever

[NomarFachix]

17 ER in his past three starts.

[trutrojan8]

Cool bro, he still has 33% of the wins the Mets/Red Sox have

[NomarFachix]

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9624881

[fish7718]

Cool bro, he still has 33% of the wins the Mets/Red Sox have

flawed math? Red Sox - 49 wins Ubaldo 14 wins...Anyways what relevance is that anyway? Judging pitchers on W-L is humorous

[trutrojan8]

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9624881

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2010-04-15-rockies-mets_N.htm

[NomarFachix]

lol what is that link? I'm a Yankees fan, I don't care if the Rockies beat the Mets... ^_^

[trutrojan8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_American_League_Championship_Series

 

And I could care less if one person squared up on a ball against Ubaldo

[NomarFachix]

lol, that's your rebuttal? We won the World Series last year. That alone is one more than the Rockies franchise.

 

If you could care less, you wouldn't be so upset right now. 2004... lol -_-

[trutrojan8]

lol, that's your rebuttal? We won the World Series last year. That alone is one more than the Rockies franchise.

 

If you could care less, you wouldn't be so upset right now. 2004... lol -_-

Whatever you say

[trutrojan8]

flawed math? Red Sox - 49 wins Ubaldo 14 wins...Anyways what relevance is that anyway? Judging pitchers on W-L is humorous

It might be humorous if someone is say 7-1 with a 6.70 ERA, but if the ERA and wins are consistent, it really doesn't matter..

[Phightins]

Ubaldo Jimenez is great and very well deserving of 14 wins, so this is not an indictment of him, but W-L for a pitcher is hands down the most overrated, irrelevant, and overused statistic in sports. Really shows nothing in most cases.

[trutrojan8]

Ubaldo Jimenez is great and very well deserving of 14 wins, so this is not an indictment of him, but W-L for a pitcher is hands down the most overrated, irrelevant, and overused statistic in sports. Really shows nothing in most cases.

I completely agree for the most part, but it's not like his win loss is a complete fluke.. he won those games because the first 11 games he pitched in he allowed 7 runs. Since his ERA corresponded with his victories, I don't see why it's such an outrageous claim.

[Phightins]

Well, I should clarify. On an individual season-to-season basis, I find it irrelevant, because of all the other factors that go into whether a pitcher gets a win or loss (run support, poor defense, an umpire having an absurd strike zone, and all the hundreds of other less obvious factors). I do think that W-L is very relevant when looking at a career as a whole (after a 15 or 20 year career). I think the law of averages cancels out most of those factors I mentioned after a certain amount of time. But for one season, wins is not relevant.

Edited July 5, 2010 by Phightins

[Lone Wolf]

Ubaldo Jimenez is great and very well deserving of 14 wins, so this is not an indictment of him, but W-L for a pitcher is hands down the most overrated, irrelevant, and overused statistic in sports. Really shows nothing in most cases.

Roy Oswalt any one?!