Flopping... who's to blame?

[Multi-Billionaire]

Let's talk about flopping, not only in NBA, but also sports in general.

 

Who is to blame for this continuous act?

- The players who flop

- The referees who reward the flopping

- The system/ league that takes no action against it (e.g. NBA/ FIFA)

 

 

Please choose your answer and explain. I'll post mine later. :glasses:

[Guest STL10]

The Refs totally without a doubt.

[Lkr]

a combination of the league and players. the league won't step in and ban it and the players take advantage

[ManOnTheMoon]

Players + Refs.

[Jenneral]

Refs + System

[Flight]

All of them? But I mostly agree with lkr, can't really blame the refs when the league allows it.

[xx.]

I feel that players flop because they are intimidated by the better players around them. They know that those players next to them are richer than them so they quickly feel intimidated and fall down due to the their sense knowing that this playing is coming close to them. You never see the good players flop because they have too much power and money to fall down next to a player that has no power compared to them. You dont think that Donald Trump would flop in a game against a random player from Ghana right? Another example of this is Kobe not flinching to Matt Barnes in the NBA. It is a sign of power and wealth from the player, the player feeling intimidated by the wealthy athlete next to them will most likely fall down and flop to get away from him.

[magicbalala245]

I feel that players flop because they are intimidated by the better players around them. They know that those players next to them are richer than them so they quickly feel intimidated and fall down due to the their sense knowing that this playing is coming close to them. You never see the good players flop because they have too much power and money to fall down next to a player that has no power compared to them. You dont think that Donald Trump would flop in a game against a random player from Ghana right? Another example of this is Kobe not flinching to Matt Barnes in the NBA. It is a sign of power and wealth from the player, the player feeling intimidated by the wealthy athlete next to them will most likely fall down and flop to get away from him.

 

 

Had to give that a +1 one for the sarcasm

[Multi-Billionaire]

I feel that players flop because they are intimidated by the better players around them. They know that those players next to them are richer than them so they quickly feel intimidated and fall down due to the their sense knowing that this playing is coming close to them. You never see the good players flop because they have too much power and money to fall down next to a player that has no power compared to them. You dont think that Donald Trump would flop in a game against a random player from Ghana right? Another example of this is Kobe not flinching to Matt Barnes in the NBA. It is a sign of power and wealth from the player, the player feeling intimidated by the wealthy athlete next to them will most likely fall down and flop to get away from him.

 

You're wrong cuz flopping /= being intimidated. Flopping is done to gain an advantage.

 

So if flopping is allowed/ not made illegal, then I am betting Trump would flop as long as it is done to gain advantage for his team to win.

 

The rich play to win baby, not play just to play, or play not to lose. They take whatever it takes to win (as long as they're allowed/ legal).

[Clutch]

players....you are GROWN [expletive] MEN, stop actin like you just got shot if someone breathes on you too hard

 

and to embarrass yourself on live tv, in front of thousands of cameras... in slow-mo....you clearly have no shame

Edited June 26, 2010 by Clutch

[JWaLL]

The league made the game weaker by increasing the strictness on touch fouls. So I blame the System/League.

[TheHutch]

All of the above.

[Multi-Billionaire]

I do think the refs who keep rewarding the floppers are to blame.

 

When flopping is ignored, like mostly in soccer/ Lakers-Jazz series, the game will not be compromised. But if flopping keeps getting rewarded like in Nuggets-Jazz series, the game will be compromised, e.g. Melo (Melo! of all players combination of scrubs and superstar, the refs picked a superstar to be in foul trouble) in foul trouble in 5 of 6 games.

 

- I don't think players are to blame... because flopping is done to gain an advantage for the team... and usually results in punishment to the opposing player/ team. Because flopping keeps getting rewarded, it has become sort of a "tactical" advantage. Flopping becomes a tactic/ game plan... which is a shame. But do you blame the players? I don't think so... they just take what's legally available in front of them.

 

- I don't think the L/ system are to blame because they are the body and usually acts on the more black and white situations... the clear situations. There is a very thin line between real injuries and flopping... it's more of a gray area that you can decide which is which and it's better determined by the refs during a game.

 

 

So it all goes back to the refs who can better decide/ see the gray areas... if a soccer ref can give a yellow card to an obvious flopping, I can't see why an NBA ref can't. They're the same humans. NBA refs can't give a technical foul to a flop, but what they can do is: to ignore it. Just like they did in the Lakers-Jazz series when the same flops by Matthews, Miles, Millsap, Williams that were so successful in the first round vs. Nuggets, were completely, totally ignored by the refs.

[Erick Blasco]

The refs are to blame 1000%.

 

Players are taught to give themselves as much of a competitive edge as possible. That includes flopping to sell calls they wouldn't receive otherwise. It's up to the refs to know what is happening and not get suckered by a flopper, giving out a bogus call.

[Legacy]

I remember the league said that they will fine floppers at the start of the season, but they never enforced the rule. Flopping is going to get worse and worse as the years go on until the league actually steps up and does something forceful.

[MainEv3nt]

vlade divac

[JWaLL]

vlade divac

Robert Horry

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ukde193ivM

[NomarFachix]

Vlade taught Horry all he knows, though

[fish7718]

Refs, like parents that reward children that cry all the time, refs who reward flopping set a bad example, as corny as it sounds.

[JWaLL]

Vlade taught Horry all he knows, though

I think Baron invented this one though lol:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTdERYOtqsg

[Jammin]

European players. Who got it from soccer players from Europe.

[moeroadkill]

the look on okur's face is priceless

[Guru]

I feel that players flop because they are intimidated by the better players around them. They know that those players next to them are richer than them so they quickly feel intimidated and fall down due to the their sense knowing that this playing is coming close to them. You never see the good players flop because they have too much power and money to fall down next to a player that has no power compared to them. You dont think that Donald Trump would flop in a game against a random player from Ghana right? Another example of this is Kobe not flinching to Matt Barnes in the NBA. It is a sign of power and wealth from the player, the player feeling intimidated by the wealthy athlete next to them will most likely fall down and flop to get away from him.

Epic win. +1

 

I would blame the Refs and the system. If players find a rule that they can exploit to win, they will do it. Simple.

[Nitro]

The league. 100%

 

Players do it to gain advantage. They're mastering the technique and it wins their team an extra possession. They are basically creating TO's by flopping.

 

Referees have NO motive to "reward" floppers. The fans hate flopping, many players hate flopping, and the league supposedly hates flopping. If they know a player is intentionally flopping, they have no reason to hold blow their whistle. Here's the problem- There are only 3 referees in a game looking at essentially 5 different 1-on-1 matchups. These players are professional athletes, and when you watch an NBA game in-person and have a close proximity to the action, the game speed is astonishing. Everything happens in a split second. They do not have the benefit to instant replay every foul, they don't have the benefit of seeing each foul from different angles, and most of the time they only catch a foul out of the corner of their eye. A foul takes place in the fraction of a second. Basically what I am getting at is refereeing an NBA game is harder than ref'ing any other sport, and in person it can be very, very difficult to determine what's a legit foul and what may be a flop. And what if a player reacts in a way that looks like he's flopping, but he is actually hit hard and just exaggerating the foul a little bit. Should a ref swallow his whistle because he assumed that player was flopping when in reality he was legitimately hit?

 

That brings me back to the league. Players do what they can do to get an advantage, and referees do their best to call the game within its rules. To stop flopping, the league has to A) Allow for more physicality so fouls become more black-and-white than gray, and B) Start fining players more often for flopping. If players start getting fined or suspended for flopping, the flopping trend will slow down tremendously. By tweaking the rules to allow more physicality, it takes pressure off the refs to swallow their whistles unless they see a foul that could not be disputed.

Edited June 27, 2010 by Nitro1118

[Newman]

Players and the league. To be fair, unless it is blatantly obvious, it is hard to make a snap decision on whether the player is flopping or not. The league should review some of the alleged flops and penalize the player for it if it is done too frequently by him.