Why all the hate?

[SRV]

I am watching ESPN, and I am watching "non-biased" reporters torching the Heat for this idea of a super team. I also have to hear reactions from old players, coaches, biased radio hosts saying that Lebron is a [expletive] and bla bla.

 

I get it, no one likes the team JUST because of Lebron. Also have to hear people saying we suck because we only have a 4 man team. Really guys, just wait it out, wait until we sign more players before you start torching the team.

 

We have yet to sign the trio, and they have yet to play a game and people already say its a flop, we suck, this won't go anywhere.

[JWaLL]

People hate the Heat because of Lebron. That's why. He's an overly confident self-centered individual who chose the easiest path to a championship rather than staying in the city that raised him to build a championship contending team. It took Jordan 7 seasons to win a championship, Lebron gave up after 7. Now he's with the 3rd best player in the league and one of the best big men in the league. What's wrong Lebron, can't do it without any extreme help?

 

If the Heat do not win this year, Lebron is going to be even more hated than he already is, if that's even possible.

[Force]

I actually like the Heat with all this hate filling up. It's funny how people are going ape-[expletive] because of Lebron's signing.

 

Not Lebron's fault he'd rather player with some of his best friends and win rings, instead of staying in Cleveland, and busting his [expletive] to come close to one.

[JWaLL]

I actually like the Heat with all this hate filling up. It's funny how people are going ape-[expletive] because of Lebron's signing.

It's perfectly explainable... he keeps the world confused and kissing his [expletive] for this long, and then instead of simply informing ESPN where he will sign, he schedules a full hour program dedicated to himself about where he's going? He is the cockiest, most selfish athlete this world has seen in a long time and I have no sympathy for him at all. At first I thought the reactions were cruel, but looking back on what he has done to the media and the city of Cleveland, he deserves everything he gets. He threw his old city under the bus and said "Bye guys I'm going to a stacked team so I can have a easiest trip to the championship."

[Force]

It's perfectly explainable... he keeps the world confused and kissing his [expletive] for this long, and then instead of simply informing ESPN where he will sign, he schedules a full hour program dedicated to himself about where he's going? He is the cockiest, most selfish athlete this world has seen in a long time and I have no sympathy for him at all. At first I thought the reactions were cruel, but looking back on what he has done to the media and the city of Cleveland, he deserves everything he gets. He threw his old city under the bus and said "Bye guys I'm going to a stacked team so I can have a easiest trip to the championship."

Throwing your team under the bus is what Bosh is doing...Lebron hasn't said one negative thing about Cleveland. Yeah, he went over the top having a one hour special and everything, but the guy loves attention, and he def. got it. Just check the activity OTR got today, and how people are reacting.

 

idk...I'm the opposite from people. Most people hate him more now, but I actually like him lol. Obviously I wouldnt be saying this if I was a Cleveland, New York...etc fan, and I feel for them, but whatever. The NBA is a business, and they gotta understand that.

[JWaLL]

Throwing your team under the bus is what Bosh is doing...Lebron hasn't said one negative thing about Cleveland. Yeah, he went over the top having a one hour special and everything, but the guy loves attention, and he def. got it. Just check the activity OTR got today, and how people are reacting.

 

idk...I'm the opposite from people. Most people hate him more now, but I actually like him lol. Obviously I wouldnt be saying this if I was a Cleveland, New York...etc fan, and I feel for them, but whatever. The NBA is a business, and they gotta understand that.

Bosh will be hated in Toronto as well for attempting to avoid a negotiation for a sign and trade (which seems imminent now). It's the fact that Lebron had to draw all of this attention to himself in a one hour program instead of simply stating "I will be signing with the Miami Heat" to the Heat executives. He gave the city of Cleveland false hope for this long and simply gave up on them. At the age of 25, there is so much more time to build a championship caliber team around him in Cleveland, but he gave up and took the easy way out by helping to stack a team in Miami because he can't do it alone.

[Real Deal]

I like Wade and Chalmers, like Riley...don't care for LeBron and Bosh, at all. I don't like how James went about everything...thought it was just as bad as what Dan Gilbert did, and I think Bosh is a little too cocky for his playing ability.

 

I despised Boston more than any other team in the NBA, always have. If they were to meet the Miami Heat in the ECF's, I would be pulling for Boston. Phoenix/Heat in the Finals? I would rather see Steve Nash win a ring.

[Hawks Fly High]

Its just not fair to build your team off of free agency but i have confidence someone in the east will take them out. Whether it be the REAL big 3 or Dwight and the magic, or even my hawks

[Force]

Bosh will be hated in Toronto as well for attempting to avoid a negotiation for a sign and trade (which seems imminent now). It's the fact that Lebron had to draw all of this attention to himself in a one hour program instead of simply stating "I will be signing with the Miami Heat" to the Heat executives. He gave the city of Cleveland false hope for this long and simply gave up on them. At the age of 25, there is so much more time to build a championship caliber team around him in Cleveland, but he gave up and took the easy way out by helping to stack a team in Miami because he can't do it alone.

Nothing to really refute here lol.

 

Still, if he woulda gone the other route, and did what you said..the story will woulda concluded the same. Cavs fans would still hate him, and be burning his jersey. In the end, he got the attention he wanted, and is getting a hell load of hate right now because people are scared of how good Miami can be. He wants to win..period. Miami was the best scenario to fulfill that desire...even if it means not being the man.

[SRV]

You guys can't seriously hate someone because they wanted to win. Bosh is w.e. to me, I didn't pay much attention to him because the Raptors never got any attention. Lebron was always on TV, everyone rode his jock, I remember all the CLE vs. Mia, or CLE vs. LAL gameday threads where all the Cavs fan were obsessed with him. It was "cute" how he did all his celebrations with his teammates, and media let him rule the world. Now that he left he is a demon, a traitor, he is a loser for playing on a good team.

 

I just don't get it, everyone here knows that if he went to a team other than the Heat it would all be fine, except in CLE. However since this isn't a "basketball town" like NY or CHI, its a horrible move.

 

Since when does our society give two [expletive]s about the other teams? Would Lakers fans care about Orlando if Dwight went to the Lakers? Nope, in fact no one would care because Orlando is a w.e. basketball town, and Los Angeles is where its at.

 

My feeling is people just hate him because he had a show to announce his decision. Once again, business choice, because everyone watched it anyways.

 

Lebron simply outplayed everyone, we all got caught up in the hype and in the end he got what he wanted. You can't hate a guy for that, you can only blame media and fans for crowning him and hyping him up so much. This is more of a hate for him because he went to a "stacked" team. but it would have been fine if he went NY or CHI because it would "revive" their franchises since they haven't done too great in years.

Edited July 9, 2010 by SRV

[Hawks Fly High]

You guys can't seriously hate someone because they wanted to win. Bosh is w.e. to me, I didn't pay much attention to him because the Raptors never got any attention. Lebron was always on TV, everyone rode his jock, I remember all the CLE vs. Mia, or CLE vs. LAL gameday threads where all the Cavs fan were obsessed with him. It was "cute" how he did all his celebrations with his teammates, and media let him rule the world. Now that he left he is a demon, a traitor, he is a loser for playing on a good team.

 

I just don't get it, everyone here knows that if he went to a team other than the Heat it would all be fine, except in CLE. However since this isn't a "basketball town" like NY or CHI, its a horrible move.

 

Since when does our society give two [expletive]s about the other teams? Would Lakers fans care about Orlando if Dwight went to the Lakers? Nope, in fact no one would care because Orlando is a w.e. basketball town, and Los Angeles is where its at.

 

My feeling is people just hate him because he had a show to announce his decision. Once again, business choice, because everyone watched it anyways.

 

Lebron simply outplayed everyone, we all got caught up in the hype and in the end he got what he wanted. You can't hate a guy for that, you can only blame media and fans for crowning him and hyping him up so much. This is more of a hate for him because he went to a "stacked" team. but it would have been fine if he went NY or CHI because it would "revive" their franchises since they haven't done too great in years.

 

im mad because he walked on the city that loved him. the people that would have gone through anything to see him win that first ring. He showed me what his real character. Hes no jordan heck hes no kobe. Did Kobe ditch the Lakers? Did Jordan ditch the Bulls? They sticked it out and waited for another door to open and worked hard. Lebron took the easy way out to a ring but this will be remembered.

[JWaLL]

...even if it means not being the man.

That's what separates him from the greats. He wants other superstar players on his team so he doesn't always have to take matters into his own hands. This is Wade's team, and his 2 sidekicks are Lebron and Bosh.

 

Great players want to be the man of their team and lead their team to a championship. Jordan never gave up on the Bulls despite waiting 7 seasons and he turned out to be more than successful. Kobe has stayed with the Lakers his whole career, and wanted to be the man who led his team to a championship (despite having Shaq run the show in the beginning). Tim Duncan has always been the man of the Spurs and has had a more than successful NBA career staying with his team and winning.

 

Lebron is only 25 years old, and despite giving Cleveland 7 years, that just isn't enough. That was his team, and that city adored him. He should have stayed, been the man, and allowed a championship team to slowly build around him for the future. Instead, the threw that all away, ditched his team, and went to a team that seems to make the NBA look like a joke.

[SRV]

He gave 7 years up. If he re-signed, he would have had the same damn teams he had the last 2 seasons. The Cavs made no effort to get that player that will put them over the top. Obviously he couldn't do it alone, what championship team in recent memory had ONE star, and 4 role players that only show up when they feel like it? None..Wade had Shaq, Kobe had Pau, Kobe had Pau and Artest this year. The Pistons were a great TEAM, Boston had the big three, and Spurs had Duncan, Manu, and Parker.

 

Get the flow? Lebron and Jamison won't win anything, Lebron and old man Shaq won't win anything, Lebron and Mo Williams sure as hell won't win anything. There was no help coming, and he got out before he wasted more years.

Edited July 9, 2010 by SRV

[Flash]

Can you really blame Chris Bosh for being an attention whore? He's been playing in Toronto for 7 years where people never get to see him. This is his big chance at being a well known star across the nation.

 

I could care less whether people hate us or not. Nothing like this has ever been done before in the NBA so I don't expect it to be embraced by many people. I guess we'll just have to wait until we play the games though.

[Flash]

LOL, and if he had gone to Chicago with that loaded roster? Rose is a top 10 NBA player and Boozer isn't far off either. I doubt people would be talking [expletive] right now.

[Nitro]

When T-Mac was 25, he was a back-to-back scoring champ who put up LeBron-like numbers with 32/6.5/5.5. By 28, he was a slightly better Joe Johnson. Now he's a veteran's minimum player at 30, still a second-round virgin.

 

KG said it best...loyalty is great and all, but you can NEVER get back your youth. And you can NEVER predict how a player's career will pan out. LeBron has the MVP's and put up legendary stats already, now it's time to win. Instead of praying that the Cavs could do something that they were unable to do in 7 years, which is build a championship-level team with a bright future, he went to a team that has a chance to win multiple championships for years to come.

 

And I stand by the fact that in a few years and few championships later, no one will really care about this. No one looks down on Shaq for bolting to LA from a Finals team in the Magic at a similar point in his career that LeBron is at. And he did it for far more selfish reasons. If LeBron wins a few rings and plays at the same MVP level (maybe not 30/8/8 stats, but still MVP caliber), he'll be remembered in a more favorable light than if he didn't win in Cleveland, even if he does have Wade and Bosh.

[Riot]

The thing is, LeBron could've went to Chicago or New Jersey and he would've been the main guy on those teams and would probably win at least 1 championship. He could've won somewhere other than Miami.

 

Also, to Flash, Rose isn't a top 10 player man, c'mon. Wade is a top 3 player and Bosh is top 10 maybe? So Miami is way different than Chicago.

 

Heat are the evil team now, because Bosh is a douche and LeBron is a mega douche. They're taking the easy way out IMO, it's weird.

[Flash]

The thing is, LeBron could've went to Chicago or New Jersey and he would've been the main guy on those teams and would probably win at least 1 championship. He could've won somewhere other than Miami.

 

Also, to Flash, Rose isn't a top 10 player man, c'mon. Wade is a top 3 player and Bosh is top 10 maybe? So Miami is way different than Chicago.

 

Heat are the evil team now, because Bosh is a douche and LeBron is a mega douche. They're taking the easy way out IMO, it's weird.

 

Derrick Rose is probably the third best PG in the game today behind CP3 and D-Will. If he's not top 10 then he's no less than 12th. Bosh is absolutely top 10. That NJ team wouldn't win a thing. You're gonna tell me that one guy is gonna take a team from 12 wins to a championship? Hell no.

[SRV]

Lebron going to Chicago would have been worse than this. They have a full team basically, and Boozer and Bosh aren't too far off, and Rose is a great player. They would have been a better team than what we have now, it all would have been cool with everyone though because he would have been in Jordan's shadow like everyone wanted. It would have "revived" the Bulls legacy.

 

I bet if he went to Chicago, he wouldn't be a massive douche. When in reality, him going to Chicago would have led to a more stacked team, because they have plenty of young talent there. You might not see it that way, but its true.

 

Bosh isn't too much a douche. Hell, I barely care about him because he was in Canada this whole time, and I never saw ONE Raptors games on ESPN. You can't really blame him, cause really, no one knows much about him because he gets no media attention.

[Nitro]

The thing is, LeBron could've went to Chicago or New Jersey and he would've been the main guy on those teams and would probably win at least 1 championship. He could've won somewhere other than Miami.

 

Here's my problem, though- why does he HAVE to be the undisputed #1 guy if it means he has the best chance to win multiple rings? Because Jordan did it?

 

LeBron isn't Jordan, and he's not even a similar player. The only thing keeping him from being top 10 all-time is championships. That's it. He proved he can bring a crappy team to the Finals. He proved he can put up legendary stats. He proved he can win multiple MVP"s. He proved he can be on All-NBA First Teams and All-NBA Defensive First Teams.

 

Hell, even if he doesn't win ONE more MVP he'd end up with more than Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Stockton, Walton, West, Baylor, Barkley, Dr. J (though he did win 2 in the ABA) and Garnett, and possibly even Kobe. And he's already tied with Duncan, Karl Malone, etc... And he's only 25!

 

My point is by the age of 25 he's proved he's one of the best individual players to ever play the game. Now it's time to win championships, which is where he doesn't have ground on most of those guys I mentioned. That's where the legacy comes from. And he'll still play at an MVP-level with the Heat, just not with such inflated numbers. He'll be the same damn player. It's all semantics about who's the leader and whatnot.

[Real Deal]

Since when does our society give two [expletive]s about the other teams? Would Lakers fans care about Orlando if Dwight went to the Lakers? Nope, in fact no one would care because Orlando is a w.e. basketball town, and Los Angeles is where its at.

No one would care? Memphis was a "whatever" basketball city, yet people were punching babies when Pau Gasol was actually traded to Los Angeles, even going as far as saying it was a conspiracy set up by David Stern, or that it was all Jerry West helping LA when, actually, West wasn't even the GM.

 

A 42-45 win Los Angeles team brought in Gasol, and we never heard the end of it. A similar Heat team brought in both LeBron and Bosh...for free. I don't know what you expect here.

[SRV]

I expect the hate, and I don't really care. Its just getting out of hand when its all directed towards one player who just wanted to win. I was never the biggest Lebron fan, but it was a smart choice and people are going way overboard. I know that as a Lakers fan you know what the hate is like, but this is much worse and they have yet to play a game.

 

I am willing to bet that once people see the team in action they will forget this ever happened.

[Real Deal]

By the way, if anyone is mad because the Heat are good, so be it. I think that's a ridiculous reason to be pissed off.

 

I am pissed because of the way LeBron and Bosh handled the situation. I put this on my life: I would not have been mad if both had come out and said they were signing with Miami around, say, July 5th (just throwing a date out there). Or even yesterday. Just leave the one-hour circus off the air, don't bash your team on Twitter (Bosh), don't disrespect your team on the air (James, with what he was saying about Jordan's teammates), and praise the fans that have supported you no matter what.

 

This was all done wrong. Toronto and Cleveland are now left without their franchise players, and it's obvious this was the plan since the World Championships and their shorter contracts.

 

LeBron wants to win a ring early? So be it. I could care less what he does with his career. Legends and current stars WILL slap him in the face for that, though. The only problem is that he went about it the wrong way, and there's absolutely nothing to debate there.

[Real Deal]

I know that as a Lakers fan you know what the hate is like, but this is much worse and they have yet to play a game.

Haha, there is nothing worse than hearing non-Lakers fans chant "rapist" at every game, and your opinion being irrelevant for a few years (and sometimes even today) because you are a fan of Kobe Bryant. The hate James is getting doesn't even touch that.

 

Hell, Fisher can't even go back to Utah without fans holding their eye and making fun of his daughter's cancer. Apparently, we won our rings because of Donaghy. Our owner, Jerry Buss, is supposedly a drunk who rapes young girls. Phil is a coach that can't win without the greatest players in the game.

 

This situation doesn't even come close.

[magicbalala245]

LOL, and if he had gone to Chicago with that loaded roster? Rose is a top 10 NBA player and Boozer isn't far off either. I doubt people would be talking [expletive] right now.

 

The thing is in Chicago he would've of been THE GUY there. In Miami he is 2nd behind Wade. And what LeBron has said in the past is a slap into the face of Cleveland and Cavs fans for not keeping his promise and like Charles Barkely said this guy will never and should never be in the same sentence as MJ, Magic, Bird, Russell, & Kobe as greats to do it on their own.

 

It’s all about competing, about trying to be the best. It’s also important to me to make the team I’m on now the best. I don’t want to go ring-chasing, as I call it; you know, going to a team that’s already pretty established and trying to win a ring with them. I want to stay with the Cavs and build a champion. And I feel like we’re on our way. Part of being considered the best is having rivalries. I don’t have any at this point. Rivalries start in the playoffs. I tell you what, I’ll be happy for it to start. Now I’m at a point where I feel like every time we play, we’re going to win. I’m not saying I know we’re going to win a championship this year. That takes time. It took Jordan seven years, Shaq eight. If we keep getting better, I don’t think I’ll have to wait eight years.

 

I got a goal, and it's a huge goal, and that's to bring an NBA championship here to Cleveland, and I won't stop until I get it.

 

I just ended this thread [/thread]

Edited July 10, 2010 by magicbalala245