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It's the old school mentality versus the new one, really. Back then you had guys like Stockton and Miller who spent their entire careers with one team trying win that championship. They wanted to be the man and not bolt to another team just because it would be easier to win. Now everyone is buddy-buddy and if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

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Reminder:

 

LBJ is still the best player in the world.

 

Yup he really showed that statement in May and the previous years didn't he? Didn't he choke against the Magic? or what about against Boston?

 

And let the GOAT according to numerous people on this forum speak the truth

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOsamobHeMc

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When Kobe was 25, he wanted to be a leader and he wanted a chance to lead his own team. Lebron? He wants to piggy back off of Wade and Bosh for an easy way out at a shot for the title. There's the difference. Kobe and MJ never would've done this. Lebron's legacy will be forever in shambles because he went to Miami. If Kobe's 3 championships didn't count in LA because of Shaq, none of Lebron's rings in Miami will count either. Funny how the man went from loved to like most hated over night

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Yup he really showed that statement in May and the previous years didn't he? Didn't he choke against the Magic? or what about against Boston?

 

He choked against the Magic? He averaged 39/8/8 that series, hit the GW 3 in Game 2 and took over Game 5 in the 4th quarter. That's a ridiculous statement. He gave up against Boston...but him giving up still translated to a 27/19/10 triple double in a loss. And Kobe had that same stigma when they lost Game 7 in 2006 to the Suns, and wanted to be traded a year later. The difference? Time. Once the Boston thing is erased from people's minds with a few typical dominant LeBron playoff series' and maybe a ring, it'll mean nothing.

 

People have very short-term memories.

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Last I checked, Barkley didn't win a title. So he shouldn't criticize Lebron for piggybacking...he doesnt wanna end up like him, a great player who couldn't win a championship.

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Whats gonna happen come Finals time? That team will implode if they make it, Wade and Lebron are gonna be demanding the ball lookin to get their numbers so they can say they were the "man." Theyll sacrafice in the regular season, sure. But just because Lebron agreed to play there dont think he wont do it on his terms, im sure his plan all along is jock Wade to the Finals then try to prove it was all him, honestly would you be surprised? You cant say you would, after all the stuff Lebron has pulled.

 

Not to mention Bosh's ego, lol.

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Whats gonna happen come Finals time? That team will implode if they make it, Wade and Lebron are gonna be demanding the ball lookin to get their numbers so they can say they were the "man." Theyll sacrafice in the regular season, sure. But just because Lebron agreed to play there dont think he wont do it on his terms, im sure his plan all along is jock Wade to the Finals then try to prove it was all him, honestly would you be surprised? You cant say you would, after all the stuff Lebron has pulled.

 

Not to mention Bosh's ego, lol.

 

We have no idea what role each player on the team will have, and how the responsibilities will be distributed. Really dumb to make those assumptions now.

 

I personally believe Wade is not the kind of guy that will needlessly ball-hog, and LeBron would probably rather do everything but take over the game scoring-wise. In the end, I'd rather have two guys that can take over than just one. Ride the hot hand.

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He choked against the Magic? He averaged 39/8/8 that series, hit the GW 3 in Game 2 and took over Game 5 in the 4th quarter. That's a ridiculous statement. He gave up against Boston...but him giving up still translated to a 27/19/10 triple double in a loss. And Kobe had that same stigma when they lost Game 7 in 2006 to the Suns, and wanted to be traded a year later. The difference? Time. Once the Boston thing is erased from people's minds with a few typical dominant LeBron playoff series' and maybe a ring, it'll mean nothing.

 

People have very short-term memories.

 

Yes people have short-term memories indeed. LeBron James in game 6 state line. 25 pts on 8/20 total shots 2/8 3pt shots 7/11 free throws 7 rebounds total. What a stat line to have your season end I'm I right.

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Yes people have short-term memories indeed. LeBron James in game 6 state line. 8/20 total shots 2/8 3pt shots 7/11 free throws 7 rebounds total. What a stat line to have your season end I'm I right.

 

Kobe 2008 Game 6 vs Celtics: 7-22 shooting, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 4 turnovers.

Kobe 2006 Game 7 vs Suns: 24pts, 4 rebonds, 1 assists, 3 turnovers

Kobe 2004 Game 5 vs Pistons: 7-21 shooting, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 turnovers

Kobe 2003 Game 6 vs Spurs: 20pts, 2 rebounds, 7 turnovers

 

Your point?

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Kobe 2008 Game 6 vs Celtics: 7-22 shooting, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 4 turnovers.

Kobe 2006 Game 7 vs Suns: 24pts, 4 rebonds, 1 assists, 3 turnovers

Kobe 2004 Game 5 vs Pistons: 7-21 shooting, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 turnovers

Kobe 2003 Game 6 vs Spurs: 20pts, 2 rebounds, 7 turnovers

 

Your point?

Kobe didn't quit on those game & his team like LeBron has. Phil will back up Kobe on that topic any day of the week. And Kobe with the trade demands was forcing the Laker hand to make the team better and I applaud him for that or the Lakers wouldn't be in this situation right now. Yet with LeBron you have an egotistical bastard who slaps his own hometown right across the face and doesn't give a [expletive] about it yet claims on National TV it was a hard decisions cause he was loyal? Loyal? If he were loyal he wouldn't slap the [expletive] out Cleveland like this and disrespect them like this. And far as the guy LeBron was looking for to be it ain't never gonna happen now. Like I said previously this isn't LeBron taking over Miami and Wade taking a backseat. This is LeBron at the age of 25 ring chasing when he said he doesn't want to ring chaser.

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Kobe didn't quit on those game & his team like LeBron has. Phil will back up Kobe on that topic any day of the week.

 

Let's compare for a second, season-ending games, which you brought up (I'll go back 'till 2006 for each to make it fair, using examples of both being undisputed #1 options)-

 

LeBron 2010 Game 6 vs Celtics: 27pts /19reb/10ast/ 9TO/ 8-21 shooting

LeBron 2009 Game 6 vs Magic: 25pts/7reb/7asts/3TO/ 8-20 shooting

LeBron 2008 Game 7 vs Celtics: 45pts/5reb/6ast/2TO/ 14-29 shooting

LeBron 2007 Game 4 vs Spurs: 24pts/6reb/10ast/6TO/ 10-30 shooting

LeBron 2006 Game 7 vs Pistons: 27pts/8reb/2ast/3TO/ 11-24 shooting

 

Average: 29.6PPG, 9.0RPG, 7.0APG, 4.6 TO, 41.0% shooting

 

Kobe 2010 Game 7 vs Celtics: 23pts/15reb/2ast/4TO/ 6-24 shooting

Kobe 2009 Game 5 vs Magic: 30pts/6reb/5ast/1TO/ 10-23 shooting

Kobe 2008 Game 6 vs Celtics: 22pts/3reb/1ast/4TO/ 7-22 shooting

Kobe 2007 Game 5 vs Suns: 34pts/4reb/1ast/6 TO/ 13-33 shooting

Kobe 2006 Game 7 vs Suns: 24pts/4reb/1ast/3TO/ 8-16 shooting

 

Average: 26.6PPG, 6.4RPG, 2.0APG, 3.6 TO, 37.0% shooting

 

 

I now have two questions for you-

 

1) Why in the WORLD would you use LeBron having a poor stat-line in season-ending games when LeBron statistically murks Kobe in every category but TO's (which means nothing when LeBron is averaging 5 more assists than Kobe in those games)?

 

2) If that is Kobe trying his hardest and that's LeBron quitting on his team...what does that tell you about the comparison?

 

And Kobe with the trade demands was forcing the Laker hand to make the team better and I applaud him for that or the Lakers wouldn't be in this situation right now.

 

LeBron forced Cleveland's hand by giving them 4 years notice that he'd be a FA in 2010. Kobe gave the Lakers short notice. Cleveland got Jamison and Williams. LA got Gasol and Artest in half that time. That's why people forget about the Kobe trade demand, because the Lakers pulled through and got him plenty of talent. The Cavaliers did not, and they had a full 4 seasons to do so.

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Lol, don't act like you guys don't remember Kobe going on the radio saying he wanted to be traded, making a video absolutely trashing Bynum and all that. It goes both ways people. These guys wanna win any way they can, that's why Kobe did what he did and that's why LBJ did what he did.

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sportsguy33

 

They should have had LeBron quit 2/3rds of the way through this Heat celebration - it could have been like the Boston series.

 

http://i2.pinger.pl/pgr426/a1275654001d5ddf4a22a912/Good%2520one.jpg

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Lol, don't act like you guys don't remember Kobe going on the radio saying he wanted to be traded, making a video absolutely trashing Bynum and all that. It goes both ways people. These guys wanna win any way they can, that's why Kobe did what he did and that's why LBJ did what he did.

 

You obviously dont know that those rules dont apply to Kobe. Dont worry though, you dont even have to respond to the haters because we all know that they are spending more time in the Heat forum is because they are tense that a team this great is in the league.

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Lol, don't act like you guys don't remember Kobe going on the radio saying he wanted to be traded, making a video absolutely trashing Bynum and all that. It goes both ways people. These guys wanna win any way they can, that's why Kobe did what he did and that's why LBJ did what he did.

If I remember correctly, Kobe took quite a bit of heat for that

Also need to point out that Gilbert was bending over doing anything LeBron wanted while the Lakers front office wasn't doing anything to help him out. Kobe had to take action. LeBron has shown himself that he has had a supporting cast that was capable the past two seasons.

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If I remember correctly, Kobe took quite a bit of heat for that

Also need to point out that Gilbert was bending over doing anything LeBron wanted while the Lakers front office wasn't doing anything to help him out. Kobe had to take action. LeBron has shown himself that he has had a supporting cast that was capable the past two seasons.

 

LeBron gave the Cavs 4 years notice to build a contender around him. That ultimately translated to 2 years of Mo Williams and 1/2 a year of Jamison.

 

Kobe demanded a trade, and in a few months they had Pau Gasol. Another year later they get former DPOY Ron Artest. Not to mention Fisher resigning, keeping arguably the greatest coach of all-time, and a player in Odom who's a better player than Bron's 2nd option last season (Jamison).

 

But yeah, the Cavs did everything and the Lakers did nothing. LeBron did nothing and Kobe did everything. Right.

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Lol, don't act like you guys don't remember Kobe going on the radio saying he wanted to be traded, making a video absolutely trashing Bynum and all that. It goes both ways people. These guys wanna win any way they can, that's why Kobe did what he did and that's why LBJ did what he did.

 

Kobe wanted complimentary players. Gasol, Odom, Artest - these guys never brought a team somewhere by themselves. Gasol had no postseason success as the star of Memphis.

 

The Heat have three cornerstone players that have taken teams to the playoffs by themselves. Each player could be a franchise player.

 

Heat could have 3 guys starting in East team, LA 1 most likely starting.

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