Newman Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Don't know if anyone noticed but on the same article regarding the Hedo trade they say Raptors are going to use its trade exception and send it to Charlotte for Diaw: The Suns would send seven-year veteran guard Leandro Barbosa and late-season addition Dwayne Jones to Toronto for Turkoglu, a 6-foot-10 forward from Turkey with versatile skills to shoot from long range and be a playmaker. Toronto would then move Jones and its trade exception from the Chris Bosh sign-and-trade deal to Charlotte for former Suns forward Boris Diaw. Source Diaw has been solid for the Bobcats the past season and I like the idea of replacing Hedo with him for the Raptors. Not sure why the Bobcats want the trade exception though, they need more offensive options and trading Diaw is not going to help that unless they have a pending trade in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitasoy Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 (edited) Another forward. Raptors need a center. Edited July 12, 2010 by Vitasoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammin Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Another forward. Raptors need a center.Diaw played C in Phoenix. Yes, it was a small lineup but he still was effective at the 5 from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted July 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Diaw played C in Phoenix. Yes, it was a small lineup but he still was effective at the 5 from time to time. That might work when the frontcourt consist of Amir Johnson/Ed Davis and Diaw. Bargarni is not a physical player so the Raptors would be disadvantaged if they play Diaw and him together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 That might work when the frontcourt consist of Amir Johnson/Ed Davis and Diaw. Bargarni is not a physical player so the Raptors would be disadvantaged if they play Diaw and him together. Actually not exactly, when Amare was injured for a whole year, he stepped in as Center with Marion as PF and did extremely well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Apparently Jose Calderon might be involved as well as Tyson Chandler, according to poopsworld at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 If the Hoopsword rumor is true (Calderon for Diaw, TPE for Chandler or something like that), I love this trade. They dump Calderon's bad contract for a slightly less bad contract in Diaw and they also manage to get a starting center in Chandler which would allow Bargnani to slide to the 4 spot. Chandler's interior presence would greatly improve the Raptors defense as it would give the Raptors somebody who would actually make opponents think twice before driving into the paint, which is something that they haven't had for what seems like forever. A front court duo of Bargnani and Chandler would be extremely long and a pretty capable shot blocking duo. However, I don't think this is too legit considering if it does happen, the Raptors would be in the luxury tax for next season which I don't think is going to happen. I haven't actually looked into it so I could be wrong, but I do think they would be in the tax. As far as the Raptors using their TPE to get Diaw, I don't like it. The Raptors have a glut of power forwards already and I'd just rather see them give time to Davis, Johnson and Dorsey and see how they handle a substantial role on the team. I don't want to see Diaw take minutes from these guys and I definitely don't want to pay him $9M a season to do it, unless the Raptors moved Calderon for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasX Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 It is starting to look like it's Turk for Barbosa and Jones then Jones and Calderon for DIaw and Chandler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasX Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Add Reggie Evans to this as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 So its goes Raps send: TurkCalderon (Ill always love you Calderon)Evans and in return: BarbosaDiawChandler. Here is a few things I seen. - the raps don't send draft picks - they don't touch the TPE, so that is still in play/ - from Smith they are saying there is still one more trade on the way because the raps do lose a PG and Barbosa is more of SG. With the TPE and maybe Diaw they are able to pick someone up who needs money. (Horents anyone?! haha) - the raps save HUGE more. From Doug Smith's BlogBarbosa has two years and $14.7 million left on his current contract; Diaw has two years and $18 million remaining and Chandler will be paid $13.1 million this coming season. Turkoglu still had four years and about $40 million left on his deal and Calderon has three years and almost $30 million left to go. - From what I'm reading about Diaw, is he is backup incase if Nuggets do match for Kleiza. And if not, he is still trade bait for his contact for the 2012 FA Market (I think Paul, DWill). - The raps are still able to use Diaw as center as BC brought him in as one in Phoneix and it kinda worked lol. I hate/love to see Calderon go. He was one of my fav players but no defense and a horrible contract, it was bound to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDevil Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 this trade just keeps getting betterdumping Evans is huge, as he would just be another overpaid 4 guy for us, id rather see our young bigs get playing timeI have renewed faith in BC now, as long as he doesnt try anything too big and screw us over again lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I didn't even consider using Evans in the trade to make it so that the Raptors won't have to use their TPE or dip into the luxury tax. I guess that is what you get when you come home from working all night and try to post about the cap, haha. I like this trade though. The Raptors go from around $45M committed to salaries for 2012/13 to having around $28M committed. Their cap situation improves a great deal as Bargnani will be the only player making $10M and they will still have DeRozan, Davis and probably Alabi on their rookie contracts (although Alabi is supposedly going to get more than the 2nd round rookie scale contract). They manage to shed the long term contracts of Turkoglu and Diaw without giving up any sort of asset other than the expiring contract of Reggie Evans who's only value to the team was his contract. Now they have Chandler's lucrative expiring contract as trade bait for next season. Chandler and Banks combined are about $17M in expiring contracts and that could prove to be very valuable at the deadline for teams looking to dump salary. Add that to their TPE and there is even more flexibility there. I don't care about this from a basketball perspective. This trade may or may not make the team better (hopefully it doesn't hurt their ping pong balls). Best case scenario is that Chandler goes down with his usual half season long injury. It opens up more minutes for Davis and Johnson and will result in more losses and more ping pong balls. I hope this trade doesn't effect their place in the harrison Barnes sweepstakes too much. Even if they can't get Barnes, I'd "settle" for Kyrie Irving. All in all, I'm just happy to get rid of Turkoglu and Calderon's contracts without having to take on worse contracts. That is really all I care about with this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 (edited) Amazing deal, the age of the youngunz officially begins... I love that we don't have a single ball dominant player anymore, our ball movement is going to be awesome and with Sonny/Demar on the floor together, along with Jarret, we will be awesome in the open court. We are going to be really streaky because of our age but I expect us to be a real momentum team. I am expecting a huge year out of Jack next year, trading Hedo is going to shave a few wins off our season though, I expected him to be a lot better next year with CB gone... going to be an exciting team to watch, which is pretty cool considering we will be a lotto team as well... hopefully we can be bottom 5, this draft looks pretty good. I just really wonder where this leaves Sonny, we have a glut of small forwards and that is where I figured he and Demar would log major minutes... hopefully more deals are coming because I want Sonny to be a rotation player next year getting 25 minutes a night. Edited July 12, 2010 by travesy3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 (edited) It looks like the Raptors are doing a good job shedding contracts post-Bosh. I suppose they will look to add pieces through the draft and build around DeRozan, Bargnani, Amir, and Jack, as well as Davis if he turns into a good player. Getting that center piece in Harrison Barnes would surely brighten their future a great deal. I guess that will be who they are targeting at this point. They clearly aren't in a "win-now" situation, especially looking at their lack of veterans (if these deals go down). Can we expect a bottom of the standings record this year? Edited July 12, 2010 by Poe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasX Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 WojYahooNBA Charlotte owner Michael Jordan has had "second thoughts" on trade with Toronto and deal is suddenly in peril, league sources tell Y! Sports I hate you Jordan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Goddamnit! So close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Well at least Hedo is gone regardless, I am sure we can find a suitor for Jose elsewhere if needed, we just might have to give something up to drop him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 I guess there is no such thing as untradeable. Get moving, Stefanski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenBaller Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 This would be nice if they got Diaw. But the problem is that if they do they would be staked with mediocre players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) This would be nice if they got Diaw. But the problem is that if they do they would be staked with mediocre players. Welcome to OTR, we got plenty of Raptors fans, and dont forget to introduce yourself in the Red Carpet subforum ^_^ Edited July 15, 2010 by Yugodamus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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