Losing two in a row "like the World Trade Center coming down again"

[Poe]

I don't personally have a big problem with Wade, especially since he apologized. I just think it's laughable that, instead of calling it for what it was, a certain few (or was it just a certain someone) were making excuses and defending it.

 

I'm right here you know. And you still haven't answered my question.

[NomarFachix]

I don't negotiate with terrorists.

[Poe]

I don't negotiate with terrorists.

 

Haha, so because I am not against Wade's comment at a moral level... I'm a terrorist? Damn, bro. You do know what a terrorist is, right? Cause that statement is extremely hypocritical to what you were accusing me of earlier... of ignorance.

 

 

Oh, why did I even bother? You clearly aren't worth it either.

Edited July 20, 2010 by Poe

[xx.]

If your mother died and people made comments about it and ridiculed her ... you would not get offended? Wow you either are the biggest softy and have no fuking balls or you're a fuking mentally retarded in the head

[NomarFachix]

Terrorists are ignorant in my eyes, bruh.

 

 

Either way, I didn't mean you were an actual terrorist... smh.

[Poe]

Terrorists are ignorant in my eyes, bruh.

 

 

Either way, I didn't mean you were an actual terrorist... smh.

 

Okay, so if I'm not an actual terrorist, where is this "ignorance" coming from?

 

 

 

Also, that's my last reply to your posts in this thread. Like xx's, your posts are lacking any rational thought, which is hurting the discussion. I just want to reply to clean, solid arguments where I am exchanging ideas with others so that I can learn from others and people can learn from me, you know... on a discussion board! I don't want to play these games anymore.

 

 

For anyone else who is reading, I was saying he's being a hypocrite because he doesn't bother to read and fully comprehend my argument before replying to my posts, therefore making him ignorant. If he actually read my posts he'd know that I obviously don't support the 9/11 attacks. Anyway, that's just to clear anything I said that may not make sense to others.

[NomarFachix]

Poe, bro... You're trying too hard to sound intelligent.

 

You're wrong, act like you have a satchel between those feminine legs and admit it. Taurasi would.

[NomarFachix]

I comprehend your stretch armstrong stance, it just doesn't make sense. You're reaching so hard to be right that you touched me all the way in Maine.

[His Greatness]

If you have an opinion, say it. No need to distort it in an attempt to tip toe around people's feelings, cause people can find anything offensive if they so choose. Finding something offensive is a choice. Many Muslims find a mere drawing of Muhammad to be the ultimate offense.

 

Think of the South Park cartoon. Should they have censored the Muhammad in a Bear Costume just because Muslims decided it was offensive?

Dude you are thinking too hard and folding a misspoken statement into too many different directions. Wade's "opinion" (not really even an opinion) wasn't the problem here; we all understand what he was trying to convey when he said it, it's just his ill-advised 9/11 comparison.

[Poe]

Dude you are thinking too hard and folding a misspoken statement into too many different directions. Wade's "opinion" (not really even an opinion) wasn't the problem here; we all understand what he was trying to convey when he said it, it's just his ill-advised 9/11 comparison.

 

Am I really? How? All I'm saying is that, misspoken or not, there is nothing morally wrong with what he said.

 

 

As far as it being "ill-advised", sure it is, if he cares about his image more than his opinion. That's only because the public tends to blow things like this out of proportion. I am saying the public opinion is what's wrong, as it usually is.

 

 

BTW, you didn't answer my question. Should South Park have censored the Muhammad in a Bear Costume just because Muslims decided it was offensive? It is completely related.

[His Greatness]

How? All I'm saying is that, misspoken or not, there is nothing morally wrong with what he said.

"Morally wrong" is not the appropriate term because he barely said anything.

 

As far as it being "ill-advised", sure it is, if he cares about his image more than his opinion. That's only because the public tends to blow things like this out of proportion. I am saying the public opinion is what's wrong, as it usually is.

Again, his "opinion" was not the problem, it was his wordage. It was moronic. He should care about being a moron, definitely. This is getting redundant.

 

BTW, you didn't answer my question. Should South Park have censored the Muhammad in a Bear Costume just because Muslims decided it was offensive? It is completely related.

I didn't answer your question because it is so far off the topic, but fine: Completely different forums. Wade was speaking to the media in a formal setting. South Park is a deliberately controversial TV show that is meant to entertain. Not related.

 

You are stretching a small issue into a topic that is far too broad, Poe. Chill.

[Check my Stats]

Free post.

[Poe]

"Morally wrong" is not the appropriate term because he barely said anything.

 

So why was everyone making a big deal out of it, and when I argued there was nothing wrong, everyone kept emphasizing how tragic the 9/11 attacks were, and how I am now a "terrorist", etc. etc etc.???

 

Again, his "opinion" was not the problem, it was his wordage. It was moronic. He should care about being a moron, definitely. This is getting redundant.

 

You were questioning me about the morality of the comparison before, and how it would offend. Now your saying it's bad because it was dumb. Don't change your stance on me.

 

If you agree with me, just say so.

 

I didn't answer your question because it is so far off the topic, but fine: Completely different forums. Wade was speaking to the media in a formal setting. South Park is a deliberately controversial TV show that is meant to entertain. Not related.

 

I was obviously not comparing the show itself to Wade. I was comparing two examples of censorship. South Park censoring a part of their show because Muslims were offended, and Wade censoring himself because Americans were offended.

 

You still haven't answered the question. You're avoiding it.

 

You are stretching a small issue into a topic that is far too broad, Poe. Chill.

 

I stretch everything. You can't think too hard about anything. I'm sure Einstein was accused of thinking too hard before he changed the world with his overthinking mind. I'm not claiming to be that smart, but it's far better to overthink than underthink.

[NomarFachix]

My lord, Poe... I wasn't saying you were a terrorist. Stop with it already.

 

Is your argument that comparisons are not innately offensive, and thus any subject matter applied to a comparison becomes a product of pure perception by the recipient?

[Flash]

This thread is still open?

[xx.]

Poe is a troll.

[Poe]

My lord, Poe... I wasn't saying you were a terrorist. Stop with it already.

 

...but you did, lol.

 

Is your argument that comparisons are not innately offensive, and thus any subject matter applied to a comparison becomes a product of pure perception by the recipient?

 

Well... almost, I suppose. Perhaps a small part of the bigger picture.

 

 

Nothing is offensive until it is perceived so by choice.

 

 

Or something of that nature. Basically, say whatever you want. If somebody decides it is offensive, it is their choice. Nobody has a right to tell you that you can't voice your opinion, especially if it is because their "feelings got hurt".

 

 

Let's take this a step further and examine a statement usually regarded as offensive. Let's say I called you an "idiot".

 

You can interpret this in multiple ways. 1) You know you have either a high or average IQ, so you know that statement is false. Therefore, you can't possibly be offended by it. It isn't true. 2) You have a low IQ, so the statement is true. Unfortunately, whether the person said it or not doesn't change reality. So why take offense to a true statement? 3) You don't know your IQ, so you don't know whether it's true or not. You don't personally believe you are a dumb guy, so your opinion is different than mine. So you can simply disagree with the statement until you find out some further evidence as to why you are smart. 4) Decide it's offensive, get your "feelings hurt", and take action based on emotion instead of rational thought.

 

 

A statement isn't offensive until someone decides it is.

[NomarFachix]

...but you did, lol.

 

For such a self proclaimed deep thinker, you took my statement on an extremely shallow level.

 

Well... almost, I suppose. Perhaps a small part of the bigger picture.

 

Nothing is offensive until it is perceived so by choice.

 

Or something of that nature. Basically, say whatever you want. If somebody decides it is offensive, it is their choice. Nobody has a right to tell you that you can't voice your opinion, especially if it is because their "feelings got hurt".

 

Let's take this a step further and examine a statement usually regarded as offensive. Let's say I called you an "idiot".

 

You can interpret this in multiple ways. 1) You know you have either a high or average IQ, so you know that statement is false. Therefore, you can't possibly be offended by it. It isn't true. 2) You have a low IQ, so the statement is true. Unfortunately, whether the person said it or not doesn't change reality. So why take offense to a true statement? 3) You don't know your IQ, so you don't know whether it's true or not. You don't personally believe you are a dumb guy, so your opinion is different than mine. So you can simply disagree with the statement until you find out some further evidence as to why you are smart. 4) Decide it's offensive, get your "feelings hurt", and take action based on emotion instead of rational thought.

 

A statement isn't offensive until someone decides it is.

 

The world doesn't work this way. It might in your head, on the internet... But the real world simply doesn't function along your thought process.

[Poe]

For such a self proclaimed deep thinker, you took my statement on an extremely shallow level.

 

What can I say? I took a shallow statement at a shallow level.

 

 

The world doesn't work this way. It might in your head, on the internet... But the real world simply doesn't function along your thought process.

 

What a convincing argument! I totally see things your way now!

[NomarFachix]

What can I say? I took a shallow statement at a shallow level.

 

I was saying that I won't try to reason with someone who hasn't listened to reason throughout the thread. If you didn't understand that, I apologize... I'll put it more simply next time.

 

What a convincing argument! I totally see things your way now!

 

You won't see things my way, because they don't correlate with a Dwayne Wade defense... lol.

 

I want you to go walk down the street and give everyone you pass a brutal truth about themselves or their appearance, explain to them why they shouldn't take offense and that their offense is simply a misconstrued perception, and let me know how it goes. As I said, the world doesn't work like that... and you don't believe it does either when you're not on the interwebz.

[Poe]

I was saying that I won't try to reason with someone who hasn't listened to reason throughout the thread. If you didn't understand that, I apologize... I'll put it more simply next time.

 

And what is this "reason" that I failed to listen to?

 

 

You won't see things my way, because they don't correlate with a Dwayne Wade defense... lol.

 

I want you to go walk down the street and give everyone you pass a brutal truth about themselves or their appearance, explain to them why they shouldn't take offense and that their offense is simply a misconstrued perception, and let me know how it goes. As I said, the world doesn't work like that... and you don't believe it does either when you're not on the interwebz.

 

So your telling me that because the majority of people won't agree with me, I am wrong?

 

Sure, I'll go knock on people's doors. And while I'm at it, I'll tell them there is no such thing as a God either. Obviously, 9 times out of 10, they won't agree with me on that either. Many of them will tell me I'm doomed to hell too, but hey, I guess the world just "doesn't work that way". Most people believe there is a God, and also believe I will suffer eternal agony because I disbelieve, so it must be true!

 

 

Or maybe this will put what I just said in better perspective if you are a Christian. Say I went to the middle east and knocked on doors and told everyone they need to be saved by Christ. How would they take it? Would them taking my intrusion in ill fashion be the sole reason that my religion is false?

 

 

Sorry, but I think you are the one who isn't listening. I'm not responding to you until you tell me why the world doesn't "work that way". Support your reasoning, don't just throw out statements and expect me to understand. Give me something to work off of.

[NomarFachix]

And what is this "reason" that I failed to listen to?

 

Proof that you aren't listening.

 

So your telling me that because the majority of people won't agree with me, I am wrong?

 

Sure, I'll go knock on people's doors. And while I'm at it, I'll tell them there is no such thing as a God either. Obviously, 9 times out of 10, they won't agree with me on that either. Many of them will tell me I'm doomed to hell too, but hey, I guess the world just "doesn't work that way". Most people believe there is a God, and also believe I will suffer eternal agony because I disbelieve, so it must be true!

 

Or maybe this will put what I just said in better perspective if you are a Christian. Say I went to the middle east and knocked on doors and told everyone they need to be saved by Christ. How would they take it? Would them taking my intrusion in ill fashion be the sole reason that my religion is false?

 

Sorry, but I think you are the one who isn't listening. I'm not responding to you until you tell me why the world doesn't "work that way". Support your reasoning, don't just throw out statements and expect me to understand. Give me something to work off of.

 

lol, you're so mad that nobody agrees with you... tl;dr.

[Real Deal]

God really doesn't have anything to do with the conversation. The world doesn't work that way because you'll end up getting your ass beat, eventually.

 

When you're being raised, it's your parents' job to teach you right and wrong, good and bad. Morals. Can I go tell the neighbor how I feel about her staring at me? Sure I can...but it will lead to more trouble, and it also depends on the way I go about it.

 

To drive my foot into the Earth a bit further, I can go to a cancer center and tell one of the young patients how I think they really look without hair and any weight on them. Then I can expect to get hit in the face by a parent in the process because it would make me out to be a pathetic loser who doesn't know when to shut his mouth.

 

Anyone can say or do anything. That doesn't mean it's okay. Even Wade himself knew he screwed up and he apologized, directing it as a misquote, but that's irrelevant because we're discussing what was said in the quote to begin with.

 

Out of respect to those who died, or those who lost loved ones in the tragedy, you do not compare such a horrific and damaging event to a basketball loss. You don't even put those two in a sentence that relates them in any way, shape or form. Maybe someone lost their grandmother yesterday...and I say, "Yeah, I lost my pet cricket not too long ago, so I'm sure it was devastating." Just a stupid thing to say.

[Poe]

lol, you're so mad that nobody agrees with you... tl;dr.

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Proof that you aren't listening.

[NomarFachix]

Either stop responding to me, or stop saying you refuse to respond to me... lol