Discrimination loses in California!

[Lkr]

U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker ruled on Wednesday that the California's Proposition 8 ballot initiative denying marriage rights to same-sex couples was unconstitutional, in a case that will almost certainly go all the way to the Supreme Court.

 

Walker ruled that Proposition 8 is "unconstitutional under both the due process and equal protection clauses." The court, therefore, "orders entry of judgment permanently enjoining its enforcement." Two key sentences from the ruling:

 

Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. Indeed the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California constitution the notion that opposite sex couples are superior to same sex couples.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/08/judge_vaughn_walker_hands_vict.html

[JYD]

It's about time. Let people do their thing (lol) but, seriously, I don't understand why people care?!

[Flash]

If the people voted for this originally then there's no reason as to why this should be overturned. Whether its right or wrong, if this law passed with 52% of the vote it shouldn't be overturned.

[EastCoastNiner]

It's about time. Let people do their thing (lol) but, seriously, I don't understand why people care?!

 

This will get overturned.

[Flash]

This will get overturned.

 

Yeah this will go up to the higher courts and will get overturned.

[Lkr]

If the people voted for this originally then there's no reason as to why this should be overturned. Whether its right or wrong, if this law passed with 52% of the vote it shouldn't be overturned.

It's unconstitutional. Fact is, there is no reason for gay marriage to be banned in the first place

[Flash]

It's unconstitutional. Fact is, there is no reason for gay marriage to be banned in the first place

 

How is it unconstitutional? Is it even possible for a constitutional amendment to be unconstitutional?

[Lkr]

How is it unconstitutional? Is it even possible for a constitutional amendment to be unconstitutional?

 

Walker ruled that Proposition 8 is "unconstitutional under both the due process and equal protection clauses." The court, therefore, "orders entry of judgment permanently enjoining its enforcement." Two key sentences from the ruling:

 

Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. Indeed the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California constitution the notion that opposite sex couples are superior to same sex couples.

read the article

[Warren2ThaG]

I just came back from Modesto and Santa Cruz...............

[Flash]

I did read it. But it goes back to the point of if the people of California voted for this then why should it be overturned? I didn't know we ruled against the majority these days...

[Lkr]

I did read it. But it goes back to the point of if the people of California voted for this then why should it be overturned? I didn't know we ruled against the majority these days...

If something is against the constitution, majority doesn't matter. It is taking away basic human rights. The people that voted to pass the first law should have voting privileges revoked.

 

What does allowing people to marry do to others negatively?

 

And since you obviously missed government class, majority does not rule in this country. It is not a democracy.

Edited August 5, 2010 by Lkr

[fish7718]

If something is against the constitution, majority doesn't matter. It is taking away basic human rights. The people that voted to pass the first law should have voting privileges revoked.

 

What does allowing people to marry do to others negatively?

 

And since you obviously missed government class, majority does not rule in this country. It is not a democracy.

says it all imo...

[deestillballin]

If something is against the constitution, majority doesn't matter. It is taking away basic human rights. The people that voted to pass the first law should have voting privileges revoked.

 

What does allowing people to marry do to others negatively?

 

And since you obviously missed government class, majority does not rule in this country. It is not a democracy.

 

 

I knew I always liked you! The only people who are mad or saying 'i want this overturned' or blah blah blah "it needs to go higher so we can over turn it' are the homophobe who are mad that i get more action than they do lol

[EastCoastNiner]

I don't think the main problem is necessarily that gay marriage is going to be allowed, but the way it happened. First off, it's unconstitutional for the Supreme Court to make rulings like these and never should have had this power, but the system [expletive]ed it all up long ago.

 

It just shows how stupid the liberals are. "Oh, let's put this proposition to a vote. Oh, damn, the people didn't want it, so lets force it through".

 

That's downright pathetic.

[EastCoastNiner]

Also, I saw this on another site, and it's so damn true. .

 

 

"The thing that I find most interesting about this topic is that those who are first in line to defend marriage equality are also the same people who are first in line to push affirmative action, busing, XYZ scholarships, or any other race/gender program in government.

 

If everyone should be treated equally then everyone should be treated equally.

 

Just a observation."

 

OWNED!

[Lkr]

race scholarships have nothing to do with marriage. way to change the subject like you always do though, ECN. Did you know that majority were in favor of Jim Crow laws? Majority was in favor of slavery? Still doesn't make it right. This country is not a democracy, and is not ruled by the majority. The popular vote does not win the presidential election in case you didn't know. Denying marriage to gays prohibits them from marriage benefits, which they do deserve.

 

Give me one good reason why marriage should be banned for gays.

Edited August 5, 2010 by Lkr

[EastCoastNiner]

race scholarships have nothing to do with marriage. way to change the subject like you always do though, ECN. Did you know that majority were in favor of Jim Crow laws? Majority was in favor of slavery? Still doesn't make it right. This country is not a democracy, and is not ruled by the majority. The popular vote does not win the presidential election in case you didn't know. Denying marriage to gays prohibits them from marriage benefits, which they do deserve.

 

Give me one good reason why marriage should be banned for gays.

 

It''s not changing the subject. It seems that English is not your native language. Saying that people who generally want gay marriage are the same ones that push for affirmative action does make sense. They want equal rights for one group, but not equal rights for another. .

 

Also, read the U.S. Constitution, and you'll realize your comparisons doesn't make too much sense, and going by the Constitution gay marriage is not allowed, and should only be over-turned if the people vote for it.

[Lkr]

Where does the constitution say that gay marriage is not allowed? The constitution says all men are created equal.

[fish7718]

It''s not changing the subject. It seems that English is not your native language. Saying that people who generally want gay marriage are the same ones that push for affirmative action does make sense. They want equal rights for one group, but not equal rights for another. .

 

Also, read the U.S. Constitution, and you'll realize your comparisons doesn't make too much sense, and going by the Constitution gay marriage is not allowed, and should only be over-turned if the people vote for it.

You're completely wrong. They push for Affirmative Action to try overcome the racism and discrimination shown by a lot of businesses. Yes AA does have it's flaws but it wouldn't be necessary if there weren't some many [expletive]s in America. By wanting jobs for a minority is wanting equal rights, nice attempt at a funny.

 

@ anyone who deny gay marriage? Really why do you want to deny people happiness? Does it really matter of effect you? Really really pathetic.

[EastCoastNiner]

You're completely wrong. They push for Affirmative Action to try overcome the racism and discrimination shown by a lot of businesses. Yes AA does have it's flaws but it wouldn't be necessary if there weren't some many [expletive]s in America. By wanting jobs for a minority is wanting equal rights, nice attempt at a funny.

 

@ anyone who deny gay marriage? Really why do you want to deny people happiness? Does it really matter of effect you? Really really pathetic.

 

If you could read, I said I could care less if people wanted to marry. If there was a vote, I would vote FOR it. However, I am against having a SINGLE judge decide the outcome, AFTER the state put it to a vote and most people didn't support it.

[Lkr]

If you could read, I said I could care less if people wanted to marry. If there was a vote, I would vote FOR it. However, I am against having a SINGLE judge decide the outcome, AFTER the state put it to a vote and most people didn't support it.

This country is not a democracy, move to one if you want popular vote to rule

[EastCoastNiner]

This country is not a democracy, move to one if you want popular vote to rule

 

You have a lot of learning to do. I don't need you to tell me that we're a "republic" and not a democracy because I know very well what we are, but this country instills democratic principals.

 

There's these things called laws in case you haven't heard. There are votes for a REASON. Hence, why when more people vote for a candidate in a certain state, more electoral votes are awarded to the winner, but no, you're right, popularity never matters. .

 

In 50 years, people are going to sit back and seriously wonder what the [expletive] is wrong with liberals. They think with their heart and not their brain.

 

I hope Obama is enjoying all of the vacations he's been taking this year too. That guy is a moron.

[fish7718]

You have a lot of learning to do. I don't need you to tell me that we're a "republic" and not a democracy because I know very well what we are, but this country instills democratic principals.

 

There's these things called laws in case you haven't heard. There are votes for a REASON. Hence, why when more people vote for a candidate in a certain state, more electoral votes are awarded to the winner, but no, you're right, popularity never matters. .

 

In 50 years, people are going to sit back and seriously wonder what the [expletive] is wrong with liberals. They think with their heart and not their brain.

 

I hope Obama is enjoying all of the vacations he's been taking this year too. That guy is a moron.

Calling people smarter than you a moron = fail.

 

You see when these things called "laws" are ruled to be unconstitutional they are overturned, hence what is happening here. btw I love that you say that you don't change the topic then in the next post say you did change the topic.

Edited August 5, 2010 by Fish7718

[Lkr]

You have a lot of learning to do. I don't need you to tell me that we're a "republic" and not a democracy because I know very well what we are, but this country instills democratic principals.

 

There's these things called laws in case you haven't heard. There are votes for a REASON. Hence, why when more people vote for a candidate in a certain state, more electoral votes are awarded to the winner, but no, you're right, popularity never matters. .

 

In 50 years, people are going to sit back and seriously wonder what the [expletive] is wrong with liberals. They think with their heart and not their brain.

 

I hope Obama is enjoying all of the vacations he's been taking this year too. That guy is a moron.

150 years ago people voted in favor of Jim Crow Laws and before that voted in favor of slavery. Thank god for the popular vote, the people always know what is right!

In all honesty, this isn't something that should be voted on. It is human rights. Of course the majority is going to oppress the minority, it happens in EVERY situation.

[JYD]

You have a lot of learning to do. I don't need you to tell me that we're a "republic" and not a democracy because I know very well what we are, but this country instills democratic principals.

 

There's these things called laws in case you haven't heard. There are votes for a REASON. Hence, why when more people vote for a candidate in a certain state, more electoral votes are awarded to the winner, but no, you're right, popularity never matters. .

 

In 50 years, people are going to sit back and seriously wonder what the [expletive] is wrong with liberals. They think with their heart and not their brain.

 

I hope Obama is enjoying all of the vacations he's been taking this year too. That guy is a moron.

You do realize that people are laughing at Republicans 50 years ago now. Herbert Hoover led us into the GD, Jim Crow Laws, and southern racism led by republicans. if you actually look, the more liberal states are always the ones to make the greatest advancements first, with the republican states catching on later (civil rights, laws, etc.)