Owner Real Deal Posted August 22, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Which position gives the athlete the most responsibility when it comes to winning and losing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 QB because a pitcher can sometimes be bailed out by great defense and bad hitting while a QB is being constantly forced into split second decision making and if he makes the wrong one it could result in points for the other team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted August 22, 2010 Author Owner Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 QB because a pitcher can sometimes be bailed out by great defense and bad hitting while a QB is being constantly forced into split second decision making and if he makes the wrong one it could result in points for the other team.One bad pitch could bring a home run. A bad throw is less likely to result in a touchdown. It's hard for me to look at it that way. Bad offense in football can be bailed out by great defense and poor offense by the opponent, also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Pitching, in NFL the QB has his teamates helping him ever play, to block and even run the ball, for the pitcher it's just himself really. The single most important position in sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDevil Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) Pitcher for me. a bad pircher can single handedly ruin a team. In football you can overcome a poor QB by running the ball Edited August 22, 2010 by BlueDevil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Pitcher for sure. QB has to be protected by blockers, has a RB to help out as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutrojan8 Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Pitcher for me. a bad pircher can single handedly ruin a team. In football you can overcome a poor QB by running the ballGood luck running the ball every play when the defense knows it's coming. I think a good QB is more important. A pitcher could give up 6 ER through 6 innings and still have a good enough offensive output to win the game, but a QB can't throw 4 interceptions and still win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Good luck running the ball every play when the defense knows it's coming. I think a good QB is more important. A pitcher could give up 6 ER through 6 innings and still have a good enough offensive output to win the game, but a QB can't throw 4 interceptions and still win.Worked for the Jets and the 2000 Ravens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 A QB's poor play can be made up by having a good offensive line, reliable receivers, and a decent running game. With a pitcher, they are alone in the outcome of how the ball is hit. Outfielders and basemen can't assist the outcome of the pitch, that responsibility lies solely on the pitcher's shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phightins Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Quarterback. "Pitcher" is too vague of a term, since A. the team plays 162 games a season and B. there are 12-13 pitchers on a roster. One bad pitch is not going to ruin a team, and neither is one bad pitcher to be honest. With an NFL quarterback, different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChosenOne Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) Good luck running the ball every play when the defense knows it's coming. I think a good QB is more important. A pitcher could give up 6 ER through 6 innings and still have a good enough offensive output to win the game, but a QB can't throw 4 interceptions and still win. I agree. QB more important. If the pitcher gives up runs he can be replaced and the offense can score more than he has given up. not really the same thing for a QB. Edited August 22, 2010 by ChosenOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Good luck running the ball every play when the defense knows it's coming. I think a good QB is more important. A pitcher could give up 6 ER through 6 innings and still have a good enough offensive output to win the game, but a QB can't throw 4 interceptions and still win.http://www.nfl.com/videos/buffalo-bills/09000d5d8031b0cc The 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs proved how irrelevant a QB can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Interesting question. Somewhat different scenarios, as the quarterback is the center of the offense and the pitcher is the center of the defense. I'd say a bad pitcher wins more games than a bad quarterback, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Well, if you're talking about one game then an argument for a pitcher can be made, but if you're talking about overall record during a season than it's a QB by an absolute mile. Also, way to find two instances from the past ten years, Fish. It can happen, but the odds of winning without a good QB are slim to none unless you have a GREAT defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Well, if you're talking about one game then an argument for a pitcher can be made, but if you're talking about overall record during a season than it's a QB by an absolute mile. Also, way to find two instances from the past ten years, Fish. It can happen, but the odds of winning without a good QB are slim to none unless you have a GREAT defense.2 of the last 10 super bowls were won by sucky QB's thats 20% I don't see how you can call it happening 20% of the time an oddity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 (edited) QB is tougher to play, and probably the most difficult position in sports, but pitcher has the bigger impact. A pitcher can possibly be the only player that defends by striking a batter out, so therefor the pitcher doesn't always need to rely on teammates. There are times when the outfield is needed, but a perfect pitcher always outweighs a perfect outfield. For instance, if you have a pitcher that is so good he strikes batters out 100% of the time, there is no need for an outfield. The pitcher can be the whole defense by himself. For a QB, throwing the ball is just half the battle for a gain in yardage. The receiver has to catch it and advance the ball. There is also the option where the team chooses a play for the running back, where the QB is only relied on to hand the football to him. So while a pitcher can be the whole defense in certain possessions, it is not possible for a QB to be the whole offense at any point in the game. Even if he rushes the ball, he is relying on the linemen to create his path. Edited October 27, 2010 by Poe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavamatic Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 QB easily. They are the field general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crew Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 http://www.nfl.com/videos/buffalo-bills/09000d5d8031b0cc The 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs proved how irrelevant a QB can be. Considering the Ravens got 3102 yards and 20 TDs out of their QBs and only 9 rushing touchdowns, I'm not sure that that argument is really relevant. Same deal with the Bucs. 3665 passing yards, 23 passing TDs, while they ran for about 1600 yards on only 3.8 yards a tote, and only scored 6 times. Maybe the stats don't say everything, but it sure looks to me that the quarterbacks carried their teams. As for the QB vs. pitcher question, I believe that, looking at the season as a whole, the QB's impact is larger. A poor season by your QB, and your season is down the toilet unless you have a great ground game, a terrific defense, and a willingness to throw anyway despite the poor performance by your QB, so as not to become one dimensional. A poor season by 1 pitcher wouldn't be felt as much for a baseball team since they usually carry 12 or 13 pitchers. While the team CAN bench their quarterback, that means that their offense has to change to fit their new QB, as you can't just tread new guys in there without adjustments, like you can in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest STL10 Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 QB easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenIverson#1fan Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 QB. If the QB dosen't do well you don't have that much of a chance to win. But, if the pitching is bad you still have a chance to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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