Ochcocinco/Owens Or Moss/Welker

[EastCoastNiner]

They had this debate on 1st and 10 the other day, it was an interesting debate.

 

 

Which duo would you rather have right now? Which duo will perform better this year? Do you think the duo that you think is better would do better on most other teams?

 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/index/_/count/16

 

It's the first video on the top of the page.

[Flash]

I'm taking Ocho & TO right now, and I think they'll play better than Moss/Welker this year. They're talented enough to succeed on any team in the league.

[reno]

I would take moss and welker over those two any day. Besides his mouth and off the field antics, I never understood what makes ocho so special. Hes a good receiver, but seems to be vastly overrated, carson palmer made him, just like with housh. That said, a prime T.O was an animal, but hes no longer close to what he used to be. Moss is still a freak of nature, and welker is one of the best slot receiver in the game regardless of his injury.

[EastCoastNiner]

I do understand what Michael Smith was saying about the vaccum argument, but I don't know if I really agree with it much anymore. It's been three seasons where Wes Welker has thrived, so I don't know if that argument holds much merit anymore.

 

Anyways, I think Moss and Welker individually will have more yards than either Ochocinco or Terrel Owens.

[EastCoastNiner]

I would take moss and welker over those two any day. Besides his mouth and off the field antics, I never understood what makes ocho so special. Hes a good receiver, but seems to be vastly overrated, carson palmer made him, just like with housh. That said, a prime T.O was an animal, but hes no longer close to what he used to be. Moss is still a freak of nature, and welker is one of the best slot receiver in the game regardless of his injury.

 

People don't realize that Ochocinco was a damn good receivers a few years ago, leading the AFC in yards four times I believe. He's definitely lost a step, but he did have a lot of skill, but again, he's lost a few steps.

 

On the other hand, Moss doesn't even look like he's losing a step. So I hope he keeps up his play. .

[fish7718]

lol @ Ocho Cinco and Owens losing steps, Skip Bayless is a moron

 

As a Duo Moss and Welker over TO and Ocho

 

but

 

Moss > Ocho

TO >> Welker

[kingfish]

Carson Palmer sucks lol he didnt "make" anyone.

 

Chad and TO are the better duo.

[Real Deal]

Moss and Welker. Three of the four have massive ego and attitude problems (no matter what anyone else says, just agree), but if you're giving them a legit quarterback, it's Moss that comes out of the gates shining. I distinctly remember when everyone was calling for his head before he put on a Patriots jersey, and saying he was done. He then went out and helped Brady destroy teams every night, and it took a miracle play by Manning and a miracle catch by Tyree to put the Pats away.

[EastCoastNiner]

lol @ Ocho Cinco and Owens losing steps, Skip Bayless is a moron

 

As a Duo Moss and Welker over TO and Ocho

 

but

 

Moss > Ocho

TO >> Welker

 

I think T.O. will do well this season except for week 1.........

 

Anyways, you would rather have T.O. right now than Welker? I didn't know if that's what you're implying. I guess people can make an argument for that, but it's hard not to take the guy that leads the league in receptions and is very high up in yards. However, at the same time I understand the whole "system" argument, although I think it's lost a lot of merit recently.

 

Obviously T.O. is the better player if you're comparing their primes, but I think it's hard to make an argument for him now, and I think he'll have 1,000 yards this season.

[Lone Wolf]

TO over Welker? What?

[EastCoastNiner]

TO over Welker? What?

 

I think he's using the "vacum" argument which does make a lot of sense to do, but I don't think it works here. If you just rank the players, he probably has them like this:

 

Moss

 

Owens

 

Ochcocinco

 

 

 

 

Welker

 

 

I think that's what he was saying. He was comparing individual talent, and I think you do have to do that sometimes, but I don't even think T.O. is better than Welker now.

 

I actually agree with Skip Bayless. I'll take Santonio Holmes and Cotchery over Ochocinco and Owens right now.

[bigdog17k]

You forgot about Jordan Shipley our slot receiver. He's built like a Welker. Jermaine Gresham is a monster tight end too. All I know is you're gonna see a show this year in Cincinnati.

 

I'm not really going to compare because I think hype, and predictions are for the birds. I'll just let this years play do the talking and comment after the season. All four of those guys are obviously quality receivers though.

[EastCoastNiner]

You forgot about Jordan Shipley our slot receiver. He's built like a Welker. Jermaine Gresham is a monster tight end too. All I know is you're gonna see a show this year in Cincinnati.

 

I'm not really going to compare because I think hype, and predictions are for the birds. I'll just let this years play do the talking and comment after the season. All four of those guys are obviously quality receivers though.

 

Well, the comparison between the duo's was from the link I provided from espn, but I do think Shipley can be pretty good.

[bigdog17k]

Well, the comparison between the duo's was from the link I provided from espn, but I do think Shipley can be pretty good.

 

Yeah. But I mean I think it's a weird comparison. Moss is probably the most talented deep threat receiver right now out of the bunch. Welker is that pesky slot receiver that gets the needed yards. Ocho and TO to me can still be deep threats, and seam route guys. I think Shipley will be our Welker, I'm really excited about watching him this season. He's shown that style in the preseason.

 

I would rate the 4 like this though:

 

1. Moss

2. Ochocinco

3. Owens

4. Welker

[fish7718]

Terrell Owens is a better receiver than Wes Welker. It's the simple.

 

Now Moss and Welker work awesome together, one is a deep threat and the other is a slot monster/possession reciever. It's the perfect duo.

 

However if you just basing the argument on talent alone like ECN said looks something like this

 

Moss

 

Ocho

Owens

 

 

 

 

 

 

Welker

[EastCoastNiner]

In 2009-2010:

 

Wes Welker was first in receptions and second in yards.

 

Randy Moss was fifth in yards and tied for first in TD's.

 

Chad Ochcocinco was 20th in yards and tied for 10th in TD's

 

Terrel Owens was 33rd in yards and tied for 39th in TD's

 

 

I know stats don't tell the whole story, and that Owens was in Buffalo, and that you might want to break players down in different ways, but it's hard to ignore the hard cold facts.

 

Again, I do understand the whole argument about individual talent, but I don't think Owens is better than Welker now, and I think Owens will do VERY well this season, with 1,000+ receiving yards.

Edited August 24, 2010 by EastCoastNiner

[EastCoastNiner]

Terrell Owens is a better receiver than Wes Welker. It's the simple.

 

Now Moss and Welker work awesome together, one is a deep threat and the other is a slot monster/possession reciever. It's the perfect duo.

 

However if you just basing the argument on talent alone like ECN said looks something like this

 

Moss

 

Ocho

Owens

 

 

 

 

 

 

Welker

 

I understand your assessment, but are you saying that you would rather have T.O. than Welker right now? I have no bias whatsoever as Owens is my favorite WR ever along with Moss, but I really don't think you can say he's better than Welker right now. I know you'll say he can spread the field and go deep which I understand, but I don't think that makes up for everything else Welker brings to the table, but the argument is there.

[fish7718]

I would absolutley have TO over Welker right now. I love all the people hating on TO, the guy is really almost the same player he was 5 years ago. He's one of the faster receivers in the NFL and a physical beast.

[EastCoastNiner]

I would absolutley have TO over Welker right now. I love all the people hating on TO, the guy is really almost the same player he was 5 years ago. He's one of the faster receivers in the NFL and a physical beast.

 

I'm not hating on T.O. at all. I know you probably aren't directly refering to me with that statement because I've said I expect him to get 1,000+ yards. However, I don't think he's as fast as you'd like to think, but he is still a physical beast.

 

Anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if Ochocinco and Owens had just a few more or even less TD's than Moss alone this season.

[EastCoastNiner]

Randy Moss and Wes Welker looked good last night after the offense stopped trying to run the ball every down.