Owner Real Deal Posted August 26, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Players fall to second options because they are not good enough to be first options. Gasol, like LeBron and Iverson, had the opportunity to win a playoff game. He didn't. He had excellent defensive-minded players, had shooters...and the Grizzlies were a playoff team, but hit 50 wins just once, and never won a single playoff series or game. How good is Gasol right now? Pretty good, with Kobe taking much of the heat. Gasol was under so much pressure as a primary option, he didn't touch 15 FGA per game in Memphis. What primary options, with "scrubs" for teammates, shoot under 15 times a game AND win 50 games? Gasol's Memphis team was good. So was Iverson's Sixers, when he had defenders such as Snow and Mutombo. Same with LeBron and his shooters (Gibson, Williams, West) and his defenders (Varejao, West, Newble, etc). It's only funny to me because many here preach about how a "complete team" can knock off the big three in Miami, but when it comes to evaluating what Gasol had in Memphis, he didn't have anyone because none of them were superstars, yet Dirk apparently had a star-studded team when it was him, Jason Terry (12 PPG), Josh Howard (12 PPG) and an older and injured Stackhouse and Finley (both missed a combined 44 games), and Dallas still won 58 and advanced to the second round. The next season, 60 wins with basically the same roster and Devin Harris, except it was Howard and Harris who couldn't play 60 games...both of them. What happened that season? They went to the Finals, with Stackhouse, Dampier, and Daniels all playing injured, Harris averaging just 9 PPG in the postseason. I could go on for days. Dirk is the better primary option, by far...has 15-20 games of 40+ points (two 50+ point games). Gasol has hit 40 just once or twice in his career, high of 43...AND that's only counting the regular season. I'm 100% sure Dirk has some in the playoffs. The worst part of it all...is that people consider Dirk a small forward all of a sudden. They don't see how many times he actually posts his man up. I wonder if they consider Kevin Garnett (the guy that supposedly turned Gasol into an even bigger sissy in 2008) a small forward, also, because he would rather take a 15-foot jumper versus a 5-foot hook. Gasol had a real team around him. Does anyone want to explain how a team can be 7th in the league in offense, with their best player shooting just 13.4 FGA per game, just 2.5 APG? Six players on that Grizzlies 50-win team took 9+ shots per game. Gasol shot just 48% that season, averaged UNDER 18 PPG, under 8 RPG, under 3 APG. A team with 50 wins? Let me know how that's accomplished with that all-star shooting just 13 times a game. Excuses for Gasol, no excuses for LeBron and Iverson? Okay. Funny stuff. Gasol won 50 games on his own! Shane Battier, James Posey and Earl Watson didn't play defense and didn't help hold opponents to under 44% FG, Mike Miller didn't shoot the ball and throw four assists a game, and Jason Williams wasn't as good of a passer and facilitator as his seven assists and limited turnovers seem (6.8 AST/1.9 TO). Ten consecutive 50+ win seasons as the primary scoring option, with three 60+ win seasons under his belt. He'd also have a ring if it wasn't for the referees giving Wade 96 free throws in the 2006 NBA Finals. He's averaged 27-28 PPG in six of his ten playoff runs, double-digit rebounds in eight of those ten. Come on now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 (edited) this list is turrible. DirkPauBoshAmareDuncan rest don't matter. I believe Bosh is better than Pau but I don't feel like arguing about it, somehow Bosh will put up worse numbers this year but because he is on a 60 win team he will somehow be better. Edited August 26, 2010 by travesy3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenIverson#1fan Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 GASOL IS NOT THE BEST PF IN THE LEAGUE. ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Swish* Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Scola should be above Kevin Love. Dirk should be #1Gasol #2Duncan #3Bosh #4If we're talking about right now, I really think Bosh is better then Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 If we're talking about right now, I really think Bosh is better then Duncan Duncan was able to take his team to the 2nd round and he just dominated in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Swish* Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Duncan was able to take his team to the 2nd round and he just dominated in the playoffs.compare the 2 teams. Bosh has nothing with him. Maybe Calderon and Bargnani and maybe DeRozan) Duncan had Jefferson, Parker, Ginobili, Hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 If we're talking about right now, I really think Bosh is better then DuncanDuncan plays defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenIverson#1fan Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 Duncan plays defense.And is a hair behind Bosh in offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 And is a hair behind Bosh in offense. He's a better offensive player than Bosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 He's a better offensive player than Bosh. Not anymore. Duncan has absolutely no explosiveness or speed anymore (not saying he was Amare Stoudemire at any point in his career, but physically he's not the same as he once was), and can't bring a great offensive game night-in, night-out. He still has all the beautiful post moves and bank shots, and his passing is still terrific for a PF/C, but he just can't bring it every night anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenIverson#1fan Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 He's a better offensive player than Bosh.Not anymore. If this was in his prime TD vs CB4 TD would destroy him on offense and D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 He's a better offensive player than Bosh. get in your time machine and go back to 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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