The Artesticle Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArDyByR5GVA please educate me, especially when the ref like 4 feet away motions for a TD. How can you overturn that. I'm very confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael Jordan Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 You have to have control going up and down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artesticle Posted September 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 nvm found the explanation: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-Controversial-rule-strips-Lions-of-first-;_ylt=Av3qAb34Yf9OUUKj4BQr5WI5nYcB?urn=nfl-269035 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 I am far from a football expert, but that should without a doubt be a catch. He called the ball with two hands, hit his feet with control of the ball, then fell over and spiked the ball against the ground. I understand there are some crazy loopholes in the rulebook, but that was just an awful call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Make It Naaaashty Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 If Calvin had been able to catch that, it would have been the Lions first road win in 3 years....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdog17k Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 I think that's bs about control, considering many guys rush in and dive for the corner of an end zone. A TD is anything that breaks the plane... he had two feet down too. I'm really confused by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasX Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 I think that's bs about control, considering many guys rush in and dive for the corner of an end zone. A TD is anything that breaks the plane... he had two feet down too. I'm really confused by it.There is a difference. When a player breaks the plane on a diving TD, they already have possession while attempt to score a touchdown. In the endzone attempting a catch, the player does not enter the endzone with possession and it is deemed that to be classified to fully possess the ball you need to maintain through the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 13, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 There is a difference. When a player breaks the plane on a diving TD, they already have possession while attempt to score a touchdown. In the endzone attempting a catch, the player does not enter the endzone with possession and it is deemed that to be classified to fully possess the ball you need to maintain through the play.Exactly, just like if it were a catch on the 40 yard line. Whether or not you guys like the rule, it's clear as day. Johnson should've tucked the ball in, and you can tell he didn't spike it or intentionally let go of it. Same thing happens when a player catches the ball, toes in, and lands out of bounds. If he lands out and the ball pops out, it's an incomplete. The rule is actually a good one, because if you allow for two steps while you're falling, and ignore the ball coming out when you hit the ground, you have to make it a rule that a player hit, while going to the ground, still scores despite the ball coming out...and the problem with that is, it wouldn't make sense on any other part of the field. Plus, it leaves a major gap when determining whether or not a player had possession when he scores, and that relates to any catch on any part of the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 He shouldn't have been so careless with the ball to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 This has to be one of the worst rules in the NFL. He had possession, two feet down, fell on his back/side and still maintained possession after hitting the ground, and then put the ball on the ground to get up and celebrate, all in one motion. I really don't know what else people want him to do, and it's funny that someone said he was being careless. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reno Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Its simple, its against the rules to score against da bears. I agree 110% with the call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChosenOne Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 (edited) Its simple, its against the rules to score against da bears. I agree 110% with the call. lol you probably [expletive] you pants when you saw Calvin go up and catch that, so.......stfu! Edited September 13, 2010 by ChosenOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 It should have been a TD. The NFL really needs to look into this rule . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 This has to be one of the worst rules in the NFL. He had possession, two feet down, fell on his back/side and still maintained possession after hitting the ground, and then put the ball on the ground to get up and celebrate, all in one motion. I really don't know what else people want him to do, and it's funny that someone said he was being careless. . it should be a TD but he shouldn't have dropped the ball in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 (edited) it should be a TD but he shouldn't have dropped the ball in the first place. He didn't drop it because he fell. He dropped it getting up to celebrate, like he should have. What do you want him to do? Do you want him to catch the ball, get two feet down while maintaining possession, bring it home to his family so they can have dinner with it, and then return it to the ref? Edited September 13, 2010 by EastCoastNiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 13, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 He didn't drop it because he fell. He dropped it getting up to celebrate, like he should have.If you can prove to me that he wasn't losing control of the ball as his hand was falling to the ground, you have a point. Reaction to a ball falling out of your hand? Follow it downward with your hand on top, like a dribble with a basketball. http://i52.tinypic.com/2iaqw6q.jpg He's making a fist for a reason. He was trying to grip the ball as it was slipping out of his hand, and he lost the grip right when the ball hit the ground, thus turning his hand into a fist. Stick it in slo-mo, and you'll see he didn't spike the ball. In fact, he was trying to keep his arm out as he landed, but he started to roll as the ball was slipping from his grip. Otherwise, he would've just brought it into his chest, but he didn't have his other hand to do that. Incomplete. What do you want him to do? Do you want him to catch the ball, get two feet down while maintaining possession, bring it home to his family so they can have dinner with it, and then return it to the ref?Catch it, tuck it in and fall with it in his possession. Or keep it in his hand when he gets up, to show that he caught it and maintained possession, like normal players do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 It's moronic, I can see the rule being used in some places, if like a receiver doesn't have a clear catch and theres a bobble at the end when he hits the ground. However, Calvin had the ball and went to the ground and had full possession of the ball when he hit the ground. It's when he went to get up he pressed the football against the ground it slipped. Completely moronic, if it happened on the 40 yard line it should be a fumble, since it happened in end zone it should be a TD. The Lions got [expletive]ed, no 2 ways around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/Fish7718/fullpossession.jpg In this picture, thats 3 body parts on the ground with the ball completely controlled, a catch, turning his body is secondary motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phightins Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 A very similar play happened in the Super Bowl last year, on the 2 point conversion, and the officials did not overturn it. But there are also cases where the officials did enforce this rule. It seems pretty stupid to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 (edited) A very similar play happened in the Super Bowl last year, on the 2 point conversion, and the officials did not overturn it. But there are also cases where the officials did enforce this rule. It seems pretty stupid to me.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J0_WL06AAc Thanks for reminding me, this play was even worse than Calvin's. Pathetic NFL refs love who dat and hates the Lions. Edited September 13, 2010 by Fish7718 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasX Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Well, I remember Louis Murphy last year and Santonio the year before having TDs called back because of a similar situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 14, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 In this picture, thats 3 body parts on the ground with the ball completely controlled, a catch, turning his body is secondary motion.Right, and that would be legit if he ran the ball in after a catch, but he was falling to the ground, asked to control the ball. There is no way anyone can prove to me that the ball was not coming out of his hand right when he hit the ground. I could simply say he was following the ball down to the ground, and it was the ground that would've assisted him in holding on IF he did in fact keep it in his hand. If someone can prove to me that he spiked the ball coming down, or intentionally let it go, you guys are right. Otherwise, you're building a house without a foundation. Should the rule be changed? Probably so, but what can they say? A catch turns into an incomplete if the player is falling during the catch, hits the ground and the ball pops out. When a referee can't prove that the ball wasn't coming out, he goes straight to the ground, the ball did hit the ground, and the ground caused the incomplete in this situation. The funniest part about this is...all of it could've been avoided if he kept the ball up, stood up and then spiked it. Or tucked it into his gut, rolled over and got up. If it was a legit complete pass, he would've done that, knowing you have to show you've caught the ball in a tight situation like that. He's not a rookie to the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 14, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Herm Edwards nailed it just now on NFL Live (I think that's the show, haha). He stated that the rule has been put into place because receivers used to "spike" the ball as they were losing control of it, coming to the ground. That created a gray area where referees had no idea if it was a legitimate catch or not. Let me say this much: go outside, grab a football with one hand and hold it up over your head, jump in the air and land on your hip. If you don't feel any kind of release in your grip, you can argue that Calvin Johnson didn't, either. The biggest notification that he didn't spike that ball was the fact he made a fist. Pretend like you're spiking a ball. When you release it, your hand is open. Now grip a football tight, and let it slip from your fingers. You make a fist. He lost his grip after he hit the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Chad Johnson didn't, either. He's Chad Ochocinco now I think it was a catch. What Real says makes sense, but he had it for long enough and the ground caused it as he was standing up. Lions got jobbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 14, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 He's Chad Ochocinco now Haha, oops. Right when I typed his name, I should've known. I can't stand him and refuse to call him his "new name." Calvin Johnson. Sorry. Good catch, Kyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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