fish7718 Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 1. Rice2. Moss3. Harrison4. Owens5. Irvin /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Wow you guys are severely underrating Irvin. Michael Irvin was the leader of the Cowboys- a dynasty. Ask anybody who knows Cowboys football- ask'em who the voice/leader was at that time. Now, Irvin did have a cocaine problem, but a cocaine problem wouldn't keep me from saying that Lawrence Taylor is possibly the greatest defensive player to ever play. Nobody outworked Michael Irvin. Talking about a guy who could not be stopped on third down... only God himself could stop Michael Irvin from moving the chains. Irvin was one of the most unbelievable receivers of his time. Unbelievable strength and route running- strong hands... Irvin was so unstoppable on 3rd down that he didn't need Moss speed to get open deep... teams would do all they could to stop Mike from getting the 1st downs and he'd double move'em and grab 40-50 yard passes over the top. Nothing they could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 1.Jerry Rice2.Steve Largent3.Don Hutson4.Don Maynard5.Randy Moss Call me old school, but Largent, Hutson, Rice, and Maynard did it in an era where passing was harder than today's game. I hate so many things about the posts that you post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 I hate so many things about the posts that you post...He calls himself a Cowboys fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 1. Rice2. Moss3. Harrison4. Owens5. Irvin /thread You're overrating Marvin Harrison big time. T.O. isn't top 5 dude, and he's one of my favorite players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 You know what I take it back, T.O. would be top 5 for me. 1. Rice2. Irvin3. Moss4. Owens5. Harrison Where would you guys put Torry Holt? Possibly the most underrated WR of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great iBoldin Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 I hate that overrated POS Marvin Harrison. One ofthe biggest [expletive] to ever play the receiver position. Spoon fed from Peyton himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 I hate that overrated POS Marvin Harrison. One ofthe biggest [expletive] to ever play the receiver position. Spoon fed from Peyton himself. While I agree with you he benefited immensely from having a prime Peyton and Reggie on the other side of him, he's still one of the best route runners to ever play the game and his stats are up there with some of the best. If you're gonna say Marvin was spoonfed by Peyton then you can say Rice was thrown to by 2 of the best quarterbacks in recent memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 I'm still bewildered at how you guys can list Michael Irvin as 1b. or even number two. He's not even in the same realm as Jerry Rice, and that's not an exaggeration. He retired holding NFL records for: * Touchdowns (208), receiving TDs (197), receiving TDs in a season (22), consecutive games with a TD reception (13), TDs in Super Bowls (8), receiving TDs in a single Super Bowl (3) and postseason TDs (22). * Receptions (1,549), consecutive games with a reception (274), receptions in Super Bowls (33) and postseason receptions (151). * Receiving yards (22,895), receiving yards in a season (1,848), receiving yards in Super Bowls (589), receiving yards in a Super Bowl (215), postseason receiving yards (2,245) and seasons with at least 1,000 yards receiving (14). Not to mention he recorded 69 TD's in a 5 season span, which is more than Michael Irvin had his entire career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 I hate that overrated POS Marvin Harrison. One ofthe biggest [expletive] to ever play the receiver position. Spoon fed from Peyton himself.8 straight years of 1,100+ yards speaks for itself, not matter who your QB is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 You know what I take it back, T.O. would be top 5 for me. 1. Rice2. Irvin3. Moss4. Owens5. Harrison Where would you guys put Torry Holt? Possibly the most underrated WR of all time.Who averaged more receiving yards per game than Torry Holt in the decade? Nobody. And that's with Marc Bulger as his QB for much of his prime. Had Torry played with a Manning, a great QB with longevity, Torry's numbers would look even better. He had Kurt Warner when Warner was great for that 2 or 3 year period. Another thing Holt had to deal with, other than not having one of the greats as his QB during his prime, Holt had to share his catches/receiving TD's with Marshall Faulk. It's one thing to have Isaac Bruce on the other side stealing TD's from Holt, but when the running back is arguably the best receiving running back ever- that really hurt Torry's TD numbers. Giving Harrison and Holt the eyeball test, knowing who their QB's have been and who they had to share touches with, they are one in the same to me in terms of pure talent. Both had great hands, both about the same size (Holt a tad bigger), both great route runners, and both had great speed. I'd put both of them in the same category as Andre Reed- Tim Brown- Isaac Bruce... Hall of Famers... the smaller style playmakers. Talk about great hands and route running? Talk about Torry Holt. His last few seasons have been unspectacular, yeh, but the previous 8 seasons?... GREATNESS. I hate that overrated POS Marvin Harrison. One ofthe biggest [expletive] to ever play the receiver position. Spoon fed from Peyton himself.The man once had 143 catches in one season, I don't think that will ever be broken. Just think about it, most receivers getting 70 catches is considered a great season, let alone twice that total? You will not find many 8-year stretches like Harrison had from 1999-2006. In 06 in fact, at age 34, he led the league in touchdowns. He's 2nd all-time in receptions, 5th in receiving yards, and 5th in touchdowns. Holt was never the endzone threat Harrison was and of the "big three" this decade of Owens, Moss, and Harrison, Marvin is the only one with a ring. And using your logic, Rice was spoon fed being in a pass heavy offense with two great QB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 I totally forgot about Torry Holt, interesting question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 I totally forgot about Torry Holt, interesting question. I didn't. . Out of the WR's this decade, I'd put Holt at # 3 or #4 behind Moss, Owens, and possibly Harrison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 I'm still bewildered at how you guys can list Michael Irvin as 1b. or even number two. He's not even in the same realm as Jerry Rice, and that's not an exaggeration. He retired holding NFL records for: * Touchdowns (208), receiving TDs (197), receiving TDs in a season (22), consecutive games with a TD reception (13), TDs in Super Bowls (8), receiving TDs in a single Super Bowl (3) and postseason TDs (22). * Receptions (1,549), consecutive games with a reception (274), receptions in Super Bowls (33) and postseason receptions (151). * Receiving yards (22,895), receiving yards in a season (1,848), receiving yards in Super Bowls (589), receiving yards in a Super Bowl (215), postseason receiving yards (2,245) and seasons with at least 1,000 yards receiving (14). Not to mention he recorded 69 TD's in a 5 season span, which is more than Michael Irvin had his entire career. The difference there is in the systems they played in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 The difference there is in the systems they played in. When you have 129 less TD receptions than another WR, that is not just the system. . I think what it's called is....."The U". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 When you have 129 less TD receptions than another WR, that is not just the system. . I think what it's called is....."The U". I'm not the only one who's got him at 2. I can go right around and say you have Moss over Irvin because he's a Patriot right now. Rice played in a pass first offense and played until he was 40 years old. Let's not forget that when he was on the Raiders he had Rich Gannon who was the 2002 MVP. Of course his stats are going to be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Rice has 129 more TD's than Irvin. Any way you want to slice it, that's not even close. And, don't disrespect Moss by putting Irvin in the same sentence as him. Moss has already accomplished more than Irvin ever has. And, yes, most of your selection has to do with him going to Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Jerry Rice is the greatest football player of all time, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael Jordan Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Jerry Rice is the greatest football player of all time, period. LOL THAT is a stretch. Lawrence Taylor easily for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 16, 2010 Author Owner Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Jerry Rice is the greatest football player of all time, period.I agree. A ton of football fans I know say the same exact thing. The older fans (like my girlfriend's dad) says it's either Rice or Walter Payton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 I'd say its Rice and then Jim Brown. Had he played longer it'd be Barry Sanders without hesitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great iBoldin Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 http://www.sungazette.com/page/blogs.detail/display/466/The-Vastly-Overrated-Marvin-Harrison.html These are my sentiments towards Marvin Harrison, in a nutshell. Bill Polian protected his prized little receivers, changing the rules so his offense can flourish. I'm interested to what you guys say towards this, I simply do not like Marvin Harrison and think he's completely overrated. Why? Give me insight guys, this can be a good debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 http://www.sungazett...n-Harrison.html These are my sentiments towards Marvin Harrison, in a nutshell. Bill Polian protected his prized little receivers, changing the rules so his offense can flourish. I'm interested to what you guys say towards this, I simply do not like Marvin Harrison and think he's completely overrated. Why? Give me insight guys, this can be a good debate. Still can't deny those stats he put up. 143 catches in one year is ridiculous. Number 2 all time in receptions, and that's with another Pro Bowler on the other side of him. Number 5 all time in receiving yards for a guy who was never really known as a deep threat. Harrison almost broke Jerry's single season yards record at age 30. Albeit Rice set it at 33 but its still impressive nonetheless. Number 5 all time in receiving touchdowns as well with 128. Harrison was consistently great from 99 until 2006. Those things put him in my top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 I agree. A ton of football fans I know say the same exact thing. The older fans (like my girlfriend's dad) says it's either Rice or Walter Payton.As a Packers fan, I gotta say Walter Payton is the GOAT. Emmitt Smith doesn't have anything on Payton either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Emmitt is probably the 3rd or 4th best RB of all time. My list would probably go: 1. Barry Sanders2. Jim Brown3. Walter Payton4. Emmit5. Marshall Faulk (most underrated player of all time) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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