Death Penalty Views

[JYD]

Its not a good idea because it's going to lead to overpopulated jails and wasted tax payer dollars to keep these facilities in tact and for what? So some headcase can pretend like he's getting treatment? Its a ridiculous idea and that right there is the easy way out, not death.

But how do you respond to those who say the Death Penalty is actually more expensive then to keep these criminals in jail?

[EastCoastNiner]

But how do you respond to those who say the Death Penalty is actually more expensive then to keep these criminals in jail?

 

It's more expensive because of all of the pointless appeals processes. It doesn't take much money to buy a piece of lead for criminals that are obviously guilty, especially when they admit to the crime.

[Flash]

It's more expensive because of all of the pointless appeals processes. It doesn't take much money to buy a piece of lead for criminals that are obviously guilty, especially when they admit to the crime.

 

Exactly. I'm not totally against appeals but sometimes there's way too many of them and it ends up being way too long of a process. That's when the costs become too heavy.

[JYD]

Exactly. I'm not totally against appeals but sometimes there's way too many of them and it ends up being way too long of a process. That's when the costs become too heavy.

Exactly. Which makes the death penalty pointless, unless in rare cases. Which is why I'm opposed to it except for rare cases such as the DC sniper who went on to kill like 15 people. As long as they are certain they got the right guy, and he seemingly admits it like in the DC sniper case, then put him down.

[Poe]

Apparently, a lot of people are misinterpreting me... which is natural since I never made my point clear.

 

All I said in the beginning was that there are better solutions than throwing people in jail or executing them. That's it. I never gave any specifics on what the solutions should be. I'm just throwing it out there that handling "criminals" could be done in an alternate, more efficient way where we not only ensure that the person doesn't commit the crime again, but we find the solution as to why the crime was committed, how we change this behavior, and then give them every means be a contributing member to society and go on to live a normal life.

 

 

This time I'll go into a little more detail.

 

I believe part of a governments' job is to ensure the safety of everyone and their property. If someone damages a person or their property, then a crime is committed.

 

When this crime is committed, first and foremost, it must be ensured that this person cannot continue to harm anyone or anything. Perhaps locking them in a safe area, or something of the sort. However. this is not for the purpose of punishing them, but to be sure that people are safe from them for the time being.

 

The next step, once it has been resolved that this person did in fact commit the crime he or she is accused of doing, then they must repay these crimes. Simply serving time in jail serves no purpose. All the person is doing is sitting around for months or years wasting time, wasting space, and wasting the government's money. Instead, the person should pay through either money or labor. If he doesn't have the means to pay the fee, then he makes up for it through labor.

 

 

After or while the person is repaying with the appropriate set amount of labor, the next step is to proceed to figure out why this person did what he or she did. Finding the source of the issue is a very important step, and I'm not talking about just handing the guy medication and waiting for him to say "yea, okay, I'm better now... let me go plz?".

 

See, nobody is born to be a criminal. It isn't wired into the human brain to simply want to commit crimes. There is no criminal gene, and sorry religious folks, but nobody is possessed by the devil either. There is always a reason behind peoples actions, and it's important to solve the issue behind them or else once they are released, nothing has changed, and they will be just as likely to commit the same crime twice.

 

 

A lot of times, criminals are formed from childhood trauma. Kids can become scarred badly enough to find themselves growing up to have the urge to treat others the way they were treated growing up.

 

Sometimes, people have violent urges because they have some sort of disorder that never got treated properly.

 

People can often commit crimes because of influence. I don't know what the best solution to it is, but I'm sure there are ways to reduce the chances of this person doing the same mistake twice.

 

Often times, people are criminals because they see it as the best way to make a living. Personal gain. Selling drugs for example. The best solution to this, actually, is to remove drugs as a crime, and other things like prostitution. Alcohol was illegal in the US for a period of time, but crime rates got so bad that they had to legalize it again. So changing the laws can help reduce crime rates, especially laws that aren't needed.

 

 

The main things I'm getting at here is that if someone has a problem that caused them to do the actions behind their crimes, this problem can be fixed. Regardless of whether we agree with someone's actions, every person's life should be valued. Help people, don't dish back what they send. Eye for an eye doesn't solve anything.

 

 

 

 

Perhaps I didn't write all of that perfectly, I'm not even going reread it, but I hope I got the main point across. Nitpick what you want, I'm not going to bother correcting myself or responding anymore in this topic.

[Guru]

Apparently, a lot of people are misinterpreting me... which is natural since I never made my point clear.

 

All I said in the beginning was that there are better solutions than throwing people in jail or executing them. That's it. I never gave any specifics on what the solutions should be. I'm just throwing it out there that handling "criminals" could be done in an alternate, more efficient way where we not only ensure that the person doesn't commit the crime again, but we find the solution as to why the crime was committed, how we change this behavior, and then give them every means be a contributing member to society and go on to live a normal life.

 

 

This time I'll go into a little more detail.

 

I believe part of a governments' job is to ensure the safety of everyone and their property. If someone damages a person or their property, then a crime is committed.

 

When this crime is committed, first and foremost, it must be ensured that this person cannot continue to harm anyone or anything. Perhaps locking them in a safe area, or something of the sort. However. this is not for the purpose of punishing them, but to be sure that people are safe from them for the time being.

 

The next step, once it has been resolved that this person did in fact commit the crime he or she is accused of doing, then they must repay these crimes. Simply serving time in jail serves no purpose. All the person is doing is sitting around for months or years wasting time, wasting space, and wasting the government's money. Instead, the person should pay through either money or labor. If he doesn't have the means to pay the fee, then he makes up for it through labor.

 

 

I'm sorry I stopped reading there because my jaw dropped. By your theory rich people can get out of committing a crime by paying their way out? Rich or poor, if the crime committed is the same, the punishment should be as well. Wow.

[Flash]

The next step, once it has been resolved that this person did in fact commit the crime he or she is accused of doing, then they must repay these crimes. Simply serving time in jail serves no purpose. All the person is doing is sitting around for months or years wasting time, wasting space, and wasting the government's money. Instead, the person should pay through either money or labor. If he doesn't have the means to pay the fee, then he makes up for it through labor.

 

Poe, my dude...I like you man, but that is by far one of the worst ideas I've ever heard lol. By that logic Bernie Madoff could've just paid a hefty fine and been on his way. Charles Manson lay down the cement on my street and he's free to go. C'mon dude.

 

A lot of times, criminals are formed from childhood trauma. Kids can become scarred badly enough to find themselves growing up to have the urge to treat others the way they were treated growing up.

 

Sometimes, people have violent urges because they have some sort of disorder that never got treated properly.

 

People can often commit crimes because of influence. I don't know what the best solution to it is, but I'm sure there are ways to reduce the chances of this person doing the same mistake twice.

 

Again, this is just making excuses and there's no sense of accountability here. I don't care if you're clinically insane or if you were influenced by your peers; if you killed someone so you're going to jail for a long, long time. And if you killed several people you're dying. To think that someone who has killed multiple human beings can all of a sudden become this great person is ludicrous. We don't live in a fantasy world, this is reality.

 

See, nobody is born to be a criminal. It isn't wired into the human brain to simply want to commit crimes. There is no criminal gene, and sorry religious folks, but nobody is possessed by the devil either. There is always a reason behind peoples actions, and it's important to solve the issue behind them or else once they are released, nothing has changed, and they will be just as likely to commit the same crime twice.

 

Even if there's a reason, they still have to be held accountable. Trying to figure out why they did it doesn't solve anything.

 

The next step, once it has been resolved that this person did in fact commit the crime he or she is accused of doing, then they must repay these crimes. Simply serving time in jail serves no purpose. All the person is doing is sitting around for months or years wasting time, wasting space, and wasting the government's money. Instead, the person should pay through either money or labor. If he doesn't have the means to pay the fee, then he makes up for it through labor.

 

Too absurd to write a response for.

 

When this crime is committed, first and foremost, it must be ensured that this person cannot continue to harm anyone or anything. Perhaps locking them in a safe area, or something of the sort. However. this is not for the purpose of punishing them, but to be sure that people are safe from them for the time being.

 

That's what jail is...

 

However, with your idea they could just pay their fine or work a couple odd jobs around the prison and be on their way. That's the furthest thing from efficient.

[Poe]

I'm sorry I stopped reading there because my jaw dropped. By your theory rich people can get out of committing a crime by paying their way out? Rich or poor, if the crime committed is the same, the punishment should be as well. Wow.

 

Of course. Take something away, you have to give back the equivalent. If you are rich, you have had enough success in your life to repay for a specific crime through money that someone else would do labor for.

 

Punishments are useless in every level. It's all about giving and taking. If a kid takes another kid's toy and breaks it, what would you rather do if you were an authority figure like a parent? Make the kid sit in his room for an hour, or make the kid either fix it (if he or she can) or do some house work that equals the payment of the broken toy?

 

In an extreme level, like taking a life, you would have to give back a lot for it. Perhaps it would equal millions of dollars, or years of labor. Whatever it takes. Sitting around in a jail sell doesn't give back [expletive]. If anything, they are taking more since the government now has to pay for their food and housing (jail).

 

 

What, you think it would be better just to have the person sitting in prison doing nothing? Where the government has to PAY for them? Seriously, THAT is stupidity and extremely simple minded. Find real solutions, not easy fixes.

[EastCoastNiner]

So, if Bill Gates murdered someone, you would let him pay $1 billion and he could get out of jail?

 

Also, what you are proposing sounds like concentration camps.......

[Guru]

Of course. Take something away, you have to give back the equivalent. If you are rich, you have had enough success in your life to repay for a specific crime through money that someone else would do labor for.

 

Punishments are useless in every level. It's all about giving and taking. If a kid takes another kid's toy and breaks it, what would you rather do if you were an authority figure like a parent? Make the kid sit in his room for an hour, or make the kid either fix it (if he or she can) or do some house work that equals the payment of the broken toy?

 

In an extreme level, like taking a life, you would have to give back a lot for it. Perhaps it would equal millions of dollars, or years of labor. Whatever it takes. Sitting around in a jail sell doesn't give back [expletive]. If anything, they are taking more since the government now has to pay for their food and housing (jail).

 

 

What, you think it would be better just to have the person sitting in prison doing nothing? Where the government has to PAY for them? Seriously, THAT is stupidity and extremely simple minded. Find real solutions, not easy fixes.

That is not a solution. If you put a murderer or a rapist back into society, they WILL kill and rape again. (Especially if they are rich) The point of prison is isolation and deterrence. You are disregarding how the community would feel about letting a known murderer live next to them. Also, how do you know that if you are rich you have had success in your life? What if you just inherited all the money? Sitting in a jail might not give back [expletive], but it is better than losing more innocent lives.

[Flash]

If you put a murderer or a rapist back into society, they WILL kill and rape again.

[Real Deal]

Legalize drugs? Maybe weed, but go ahead and legalize things like meth and coke and see how many people are killed, by accident and intentionally, at work or on the streets, and see drug cartels run the show in the US, like they are doing in Mexico.

 

It sounds like you've come here to cause destruction on Earth, the way you're putting all of this. Allow murderers to roam free because they pay their way out of their crimes? That will work well with hitmen, I suppose. Drug lords will love that idea. As mentioned, Manson (who had tons of followers) would've already been out.

 

Work their way out of their crimes? They work in jail. They do laundry, make tags, work the yard, and are even driven to highways to pick up trash during the day.

 

There's no way any of that will go down because the lives of innocent people are actually valuable.