magicbalala245 Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 It's starts at 8:22 but when I post it u gotta click the question mark to see how far you are in the segment but just click it and when you get to 8:22 that's when chris broussard talks about Melo to Lakers http://cdn11.castfire.com/audio/303/2111/7263/422156/lalive_2010-09-22-172256-3953-0-0-0.32.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 too bad he never gets anything right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicbalala245 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Hmm didn't he say LeBron to Miami. Beside's he didn't say guarantee to the Lakers. He said a small chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 He said it at the last minute after everyone else had announced it. He changed teams every 5 minutes, had no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Wow is he retarded? Did he honestly just say Jordan made Pippen and that Pippen would not be this hall of famer that he is today without Jordan? He is on crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Pippen probably wouldn't be a legend without MJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Pippen probably wouldn't be a legend without MJ.He's one of the greatest two way players ever. Pippen's easily one of the all time greats. Without him Jordan doesn't do it, without Jordan he doesn't win it either. However, the Bulls did a great job during that one season during Jordan's first retirement where he led them through the playoffs, coming fairly close to even being a finals team. The next year when they lost to the Magic (Shaq and Penny), Jordan was not in his prime. Anyone who watched the Bulls after Jordan came back can tell you that, however, once he had a summer to fully get back into shape and shake off the rust he was the same old Jordan. Anyway, as for Pippen, the guy not only put up excellent all-around statistics, but the guy ran the team as well like a point forward. He played a very smart game and never tried to play past his limits when he was in his prime. When he was needed to he could always step up and make things happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Wow is he retarded? Did he honestly just say Jordan made Pippen and that Pippen would not be this hall of famer that he is today without Jordan? He is on crack. I don't know, it's a tough one. There are so many variables to consider. I'll say these few things, though.. 1) While Scottie was certainly one of the most well-rounded players the NBA has ever seen, and quite arguably the greatest perimeter defender of all-time, he was never really a guy that could carry a team and dominate ball-games on the offensive end. He had his moments, but he was always a swiss army knife rather than a guy who could completely dominate one (or multiple) facets of the game to elevate his team to a win. As valuable as he was, I cannot place him above other guys who could be that #1 option extremely successfully. 2) It is true that he did lead the Bulls to almost beating the Knicks in 1994 without MJ, but in 1994-1995 they were a .500 ballclub before MJ came back (in which the Bulls won 11 of their last 13). In 2 of the losses to the Magic in the semi's, he scored 10pts or less. That's actually a microcosm of Pippen's post-season career, and one of my biggest knocks on him...many, many times his level of play did not increase when his team needed him most, and often times he choked. He is one of the only HoF perimeter players that was benched more than once in the last minute of big playoff games. 3) If Pippen was a #1 option his entire career, the likelihood of him making any post-season noise would be minimal, and that would not make him the household name he is today. And we all know just like in the ASG, the HoF is a popularity contest. He is so popular being one of the greatest 2nd options ever on 6 championship teams. If he was a #1 option his entire career or a #2 option to a lesser player than Jordan/Hakeem, he wouldn't be nearly as well-known. Also, who knows if some of the individual accolades he received on the Bulls would have came if he was stuck on worse teams. Much like how Elton Brand was consistently snubbed for many years in the ASG while Mo freaking Williams got in in 2009, the same might have happened to Scottie. 4) There are so many great players who have been snubbed by the HoF, and plenty of current stars who might get snubbed. Taking that into consideration along with the things I said in #1, 2 and 3, and it isn't far-fetched to say Scottie might not have gotten in without MJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 In 94 and 00, two of Scottie's youngest 3 seasons without MJ, Scottie placed 3rd in MVP voting twice. Scottie Pippen stifled some of the greatest players of all-time in key playoff moments. Magic, Stockton, Payton, Drexler. They all got theirs, but he took them out of their game like no one could. The fact that he could do this to such a great range of players was amazing. To cover Magic is one thing. To turn around later down the line and make Gary Payton look like a SG with bad PG skills as he tried to dribble to halfcourt is something else. It's one thing to be a great defensive player. Dennis Rodman was. But then to turn around and lead a 6-time champion in ASSISTS from the small forward position... that's something else. The 1994 Bulls lost to the Knicks in fact because they suffered massive scoring droughts. Scottie Pippen was very good, but he was unable to be the guy who could come down and get you the sure basket when you needed it. He was more of an overall facilitator. But again, that's something you can't completely knock on him for, he had the greatest player ever for most of his career taking over games. When you're in the situation that Phil Jackson was in, you have to go with your best shooter, not your best player. Not every great player will hit that shot, and your more than likely to win the game with your best shooter. It should be noted that Pippen missed 10 games during the '93-'94 season. The Bulls went 4-6 in those games. The year prior he only missed 1 game. It would be completely reasonable to assume that Pippen would have equaled the 57 win mark without Jordan had he not missed those extra 9 games. And without Jordan, who knows how good Pippen would have been in the playoffs? The only true fact we have in this argument is that Pippen took the Bulls to game 7 of the second round. I'd say that's pretty good for a guy who was never a true #1 option before.. And who's to say he doesn't develop an aggressive mentality if he was the #1 option for multiple years? Things could have been a lot better for Pippen statistically and individually if he had been the franchise guy all those years for the Bulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicbalala245 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 How did this thread go from Carmelo to a Pippen Jordan debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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