Amare and rebounding

[Real Deal]

Vote and explain.

 

Previous numbers...

 

2002-03: 8.8

2003-04: 9.0

2004-05: 8.9

2005-06: 5.3 (three games)

2006-07: 9.6

2007-08: 9.1

2008-09: 8.1

2009-10: 8.9

[NomarFachix]

I think he'll average 10+, but I have no real reason for saying so.

 

I think the reason he hasn't gotten it before is because he's always played in the fast break offense and would rather get out on offense than grab those dicey 50/50 boards between he and a teammate. He'll let the other guy get it while he gets out on the break.

[Check my Stats]

I don't think he will ever grab 10+ boards, especially under D'Antoni. Unless he is getting like 42 MPG, in which case there are going to be bigger problems than his rebounding lol. It is odd, you would think once Marion left, his rebounding would go up, but the opposite has happened, I just think it is a lack of effort. He is athletic, we know he can jump, and he is a pretty strong physical guy when he wants to be.

 

Rebounding is pretty instinctive, you just have to go up and get it, he just doesn't.

[fish7718]

I think he'll get it one of these years. The players on this Knicks team just seem to get rebound after rebound. Combine that with the fact we take a lot of shots, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it this year. I remember Zach Randolph was averaging around 12 boards per game before we traded him a couple years back, so if he can get 12 I think Amar'e should be able to get 10.

[Nitro]

I remember Zach Randolph was averaging around 12 boards per game before we traded him a couple years back, so if he can get 12 I think Amar'e should be able to get 10.

 

Faulty logic. Randolph averaged 10.3RPG his only full season with the Knicks, and managed to averaged 10+ boards on 2 other teams (including 11.7RPG last season with the Grizzlies).

 

Anyway, Amare just isn't a great rebounder. Shawn Marion was grabbing 2-3 more per game than Amare during their time together on the Suns, and last post-season Amare averaged a dismal 6.6RPG. He doesn't have the instincts of a great rebounder, 'nor the determination/assertiveness. It's a shame because if he really tried he could be pulling down 11 boards every game on sheer will alone.

 

BTW, anyone see the highlights of the Knicks preseason opener? Amare looked terrific, and his chemistry with Felton looks strong already. Very excited to see the Knicks play good basketball for the first time in about a decade...it'll be a refreshing change and will definitely help the NBA out.

[fish7718]

BTW, anyone see the highlights of the Knicks preseason opener? Amare looked terrific, and his chemistry with Felton looks strong already. Very excited to see the Knicks play good basketball for the first time in about a decade...it'll be a refreshing change and will definitely help the NBA out.

Really? I was watching first half and he just look lost out there, he was bumping into and knocking over teammates getting boards, on a cut to the rim Felton made a perfect pass and he didnt have his head turned and the ball just hit him in the arm and went out.

[Nitro]

Really? I was watching first half and he just look lost out there, he was bumping into and knocking over teammates getting boards, on a cut to the rim Felton made a perfect pass and he didnt have his head turned and the ball just hit him in the arm and went out.

 

As I said, I only watched the highlights But Amare had 32pts, and there was a few plays I saw that he and Felton connected on via the PnR.

 

And get used to him looking "lost." Amare does this thing where he just kind of wanders around. Don't worry, though, it works.

[JYD]

He'll get about 10 or so in the Knicks system I believe. I think one reason he's never been a dominant rebounder is because of the lack of boxing out. Not that many guys do it nowadays.

[Check my Stats]

You realize this Knicks 'system' is with the same coach Amare played under in Phoenix

 

It is funny people say this because he wasn't averaging 10 in Phoenix, if he does get 10 in New York, it will definitely not be because of the system.

Edited October 5, 2010 by travesy3

[Multi-Billionaire]

Some guys blossom when they're thrust into a leadership position, e.g. think Billups. In Phoenix, he always has Nash as the team's leader.

 

It's a good surprise to see him take early initiative and say he wants to be a leader... at a time when Knicks desperately need one. If he wants to be a leader, he knows his responsibilities go up, and that includes plays on the court... namely defense and rebounding.

 

If Amare ever averages 10 rpg in his career, this is the season. If not now, it will never come.

[fish7718]

You realize this Knicks 'system' is with the same coach Amare played under in Phoenix

 

It is funny people say this because he wasn't averaging 10 in Phoenix, if he does get 10 in New York, it will definitely not be because of the system.

Same 'system' very different players, esp at point guard. The Knicks aren't close to as efficient as the Suns were.

[Multi-Billionaire]

You realize this Knicks 'system' is with the same coach Amare played under in Phoenix

 

It is funny people say this because he wasn't averaging 10 in Phoenix, if he does get 10 in New York, it will definitely not be because of the system.

 

You fool... in fast-paced system, more shots are going to be attempted. More shots = more misses = more rebounds.

 

And in a system where he's encouraged to score more than ever, he's going to be ultra-aggressive. When a player of his caliber is aggressive, there will be more plays in the paint, more offensive rebounds.

 

 

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[Real Deal]

You fool... in fast-paced system, more shots are going to be attempted. More shots = more misses = more rebounds.

That's if the other team allows the Knicks to control the tempo. The other team doesn't have to play at the set tempo, and those boards will have to come from Amare's offensive rebounding, and he's no Gasol on the o-glass.

 

Last season, the Warriors played an uptempo offense, and were 29th in total offensive boards, 27th defensive boards. The Knicks were 23rd, Suns 15th.

 

And in a system where he's encouraged to score more than ever, he's going to be ultra-aggressive. When a player of his caliber is aggressive, there will be more plays in the paint, more offensive rebounds.

Amare isn't Shaq. So, because Dirk Nowitzki is a player of Amare's caliber (better, actually), there will be more plays in the paint?

 

Dallas was 24th in offensive boards. Dirk didn't even grab eight boards a game last year.

 

There's really no relation.

[Multi-Billionaire]

^Because Amare is a good rebounder that should average 10 rpg. As a team, those teams were ranked badly in rebounding, but David Lee still got his 11rpg.

 

Dirk doesn't play in the paint. He goes in occasionally... but Amare is a finisher, dunker that goes to the paint in a constant basis. Dirk is a shooter, Amare is an attacker (attacks the rim) and finisher. If Dirk misses a long shot, he doesn't get any rebound. If Amare misses a point blank lay up or dunk, he can always contest for an offensive rebound for being near the rim... and the more D'Antoni encourages Amare to be aggressive (attack the rim) the more he goes in, the more for chances of offensive rebounds.

[Check my Stats]

So Phoenix wasn't a fast paced system under D'Antoni? You should really think before you call someone a fool.

 

To suggest the system is why he will board more is crazy, if anything with the added offensive workload his rebounding will go down.

Edited October 5, 2010 by travesy3

[Multi-Billionaire]

That's because Marion was pulling down 10-11 rpg back then, rebounding was not really Amare's department.

 

Now he's the only guy on the (Knicks) team who realistically can average 10 rpg, nobody else comes close. He should average 10 rpg this season, if not then I'm predicting he will never average 10 rpg.

 

 

Anyways, I think the reason why he never averages 10 rpg is a combination of not boxing out consistently, not having a desire for the rebound at times. The key word is inconsistent.

[Check my Stats]

Grant Hill was the Suns 2nd leading rebounder last year....... you are trying to tell me he was stealing boards from Amare too?

[Multi-Billionaire]

^It's not the system you fool... David Lee averaged 11 rpg. You can't say fast paced system is going to hurt his chances of averaging 10 rpg, it's an absurd statement.

 

It's Amare himself. He's inconsistent when it comes to rebounding, most of it mental: not boxing out consistently, not having consistent desire to get the ball.

[Check my Stats]

Lee averaged 11 boards once before, 10 another time, and 9 in only 29 minutes. The reason he averages/averaged more is because he is quite simply better rebounder. There is nothing more to it, Amare just is not a good rebounder. How does playing in New York hurt his chances when the system he has played in Phoenix is based on the system D'Antoni implemented while there.

 

Don't be surprised if his rebounds go back down to below 9 this year.

 

So wait, his consistency/rebounding mentality is going to change now while in New York, after 7 professional seasons, fresh off a 5 years guaranteed deal?

Edited October 5, 2010 by travesy3

[Multi-Billionaire]

It's called stepping up as a leader...

 

E.g. someone sleeps with his girlfriend, gf pregnant, gives birth, he becomes a father. He either dodges responsibility and runs, or takes responsibility and be the man of the family, be the leader of the family. Takes care of the family, he's taking in more responsibility, he's doing more, e.g. working to get income, spend time with the kid.

 

The same with Amare in New York, he knows he's the best player on the team, so he steps up by saying he's going to be a leader... it's going to be leading by examples... by doing more. Doing what more? Rebounding, defense, etc.

 

 

I'm NOT guaranteeing he will average 10 rpg. I'm saying if he ever averages 10 rpg, this is the season. If he can't do it this season, he will never do it. But to say he will not average 10 rpg for sure when you often don't know what you're talking about, is absurd.

[Nitro]

It's called stepping up as a leader...

 

E.g. someone sleeps with his girlfriend, gf pregnant, gives birth, he becomes a father. He either dodges responsibility and runs, or takes responsibility and be the man of the family, be the leader of the family. Takes care of the family, he's taking in more responsibility, he's doing more, e.g. working to get income, spend time with the kid.

 

The same with Amare in New York, he knows he's the best player on the team, so he steps up by saying he's going to be a leader... it's going to be leading by examples... by doing more. Doing what more? Rebounding, defense, etc.

 

 

I'm NOT guaranteeing he will average 10 rpg. I'm saying if he ever averages 10 rpg, this is the season. If he can't do it this season, he will never do it. But to say he will not average 10 rpg for sure when you often don't know what you're talking about, is absurd.

 

Amare has been in the league 8 seasons. He was the only big man on multiple Suns teams, yet was outrebounded by a decent margin by Shawn Marion. Those Suns teams often got beat up on the boards and in interior defense, and Amare failed to raise his game on either account when his team needed him to.

 

In other words, if he hasn't shown it yet, then it most likely ain't coming. The motivation for being a leader will likely translate into a points increase, if anything at all. He's proven he can put up 25-28PPG for long stretches (aka for 2+ months at a time), so I can see that happening in NY if his level of play does increase with his new role. Rebounds? Not so optimistic.

 

BTW, for his entire career, Amare has averaged 10RPG+ in a month only 9x. To compare, Bosh had 9 months of averaging 10 or more boards...in the last 2 seasons (just used Bosh as an example because he and Amare are similar).