reno Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Is he the next Allen Iverson? Hes averaging over 30ppg, taking a lot of shots, and is basically playing as a sg/pg hybrid. Do you think its credible to compare him to Allen Iverson yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 No. I'd say if anyone resembles AI to me its Jennings. Rose is too big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.1.A.K. Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 if anyone resembles AI, IMO, its Monta Ellis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The REAL STL10 Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 I can see where you can see that, but Rose reminds me of Isiah Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 http://otrsportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/DwyaneWade.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenneral Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 http://otrsportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/DwyaneWade.jpglolwut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 lolwut?They have like the same exact style of play, very similar players, if Rose reminds me of anyone it's D Wade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) They have like the same exact style of play, very similar players, if Rose reminds me of anyone it's D Wade. I disagree, especially if you take into consideration D-Wade's toughness, or lack thereof compared to AI. The guy is an egg shell. Edited October 31, 2010 by EastCoastNiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Why does there have to be a "next AI"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 i think he's the first Derrick Rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.1.A.K. Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 I disagree, especially if you take into consideration D-Wade's toughness, or lack thereof compared to AI. The guy is an egg shell. i think he was comparing Rose to D-Wade.. not D-Wade to AI.... so not sure on the D-Wade vs. AI toughness comparison. BTW... its been 3 years since Wade has missed more than 5 games in a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 i think he was comparing Rose to D-Wade.. not D-Wade to AI.... so not sure on the D-Wade vs. AI toughness comparison. BTW... its been 3 years since Wade has missed more than 5 games in a season. I must not have read the entire post because you're right. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.1.A.K. Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 I must not have read the entire post because you're right. . ahh okay. just want to make sure we are on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitasoy Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Wade lite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenneral Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 i think he was comparing Rose to D-Wade.. not D-Wade to AI.... so not sure on the D-Wade vs. AI toughness comparison. BTW... its been 3 years since Wade has missed more than 5 games in a season.That explains it then. For some reason I thought he meant A.I. = Wade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lone Granger Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 I don't think Rose is the new AI at all, and I don't think you'll see another do what Iverson did. Rose is the first of himself. He's a point guard with a shooting guard's mentality and the skills for both positions. That being said, I really think he's going to put up monster numbers the rest of the year. Rose is definitely one of the best players in the league right now, and assuming he keeps playing the way he is, I could see some Wade-Rose comparisons coming up. They do like to play almost the exact same game from what I've seen as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) Rose is not the new AI. They don't have similar frames, and besides sick crossovers their offensive games aren't too similar. Honestly, I think Rose is a like a more mature/talented/focused version of Steve Francis. They have almost the same exact size (6'3'', 190-200lbs), same crossover, similar handle, and similar explosiveness. Neither are great true PG's, but are capable of creating for teammates as well as scoring. The difference is Rose is a lot more efficient from the field, while Francis was a better 3pt shooter and extroridnary rebounder. But as I said, in terms of style and physical capablities, they are very similar. The only major difference is between the ears. BTW, the Rose/Wade comaprisons also need to cease. Wade has about 2 inches and at least 10 pounds on Rose, a longer wingspan, and a much different game going to the basket. Rose likes to penetrate just like Wade, but he does it differently. Rose LOVES that little flip shot/floater, and gets to the rim off straight cuts/crossovers. Wade likes to split double teams and screens a lot more often, will go all the way to the rim and finish strong a lot more than Rose, he likes to weave through defense more than Rose (who works in straight cuts), and he also has a legit post game (where Rose has none). Edited October 31, 2010 by Nitro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Rose is not the new AI. They don't have similar frames, and besides sick crossovers their offensive games aren't too similar. Honestly, I think Rose is a like a more mature/talented/focused version of Steve Francis. They have almost the same exact size (6'3'', 190-200lbs), same crossover, similar handle, and similar explosiveness. Neither are great true PG's, but are capable of creating for teammates as well as scoring. The difference is Rose is a lot more efficient from the field, while Francis was a better 3pt shooter and extroridnary rebounder. But as I said, in terms of style and physical capablities, they are very similar. The only major difference is between the ears. BTW, the Rose/Wade comaprisons also need to cease. Wade has about 2 inches and at least 10 pounds on Rose, a longer wingspan, and a much different game going to the basket. Rose likes to penetrate just like Wade, but he does it differently. Rose LOVES that little flip shot/floater, and gets to the rim off straight cuts/crossovers. Wade likes to split double teams and screens a lot more often, will go all the way to the rim and finish strong a lot more than Rose, he likes to weave through defense more than Rose (who works in straight cuts), and he also has a legit post game (where Rose has none).Honestly, I think Rose is closer to Wade than he is Francis lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Honestly, I think Rose is closer to Wade than he is Francis lol. In terms of impact/production yes, but not in terms of play style. Francis/Rose have the same size, same crossover, same type of explosiveness, and similar games. The only thing about Rose's game that is similar to Wade's is neither are great 3pt shooters, and both like to penetrate the lane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Not at all. I think you'd best compare someone who is 6'0 or smaller to be the next AI. It just wouldn't seem right to say Rose (who is 6'2+) to be the next AI, especially when Rose is a lot bigger in terms of height and frame than AI was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooh25 Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Not at all. I think you'd best compare someone who is 6'0 or smaller to be the next AI. It just wouldn't seem right to say Rose (who is 6'2+) to be the next AI, especially when Rose is a lot bigger in terms of height and frame than AI was. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Francis is a fair comparison... strength, crossover, skillset, I agree with Nitro's assessment... but I think D-Rose is still a tad quicker and more athletic than Francis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Francis is a fair comparison... strength, crossover, skillset, I agree with Nitro's assessment... but I think D-Rose is still a tad quicker and more athletic than Francis. Rose is probably a bit quicker than Francis, but overall more athletic? I don't know, Francis was a FREAK when he was younger... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-2itVYnZRI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Rose has more quickness than Francis but even with that more amount of quickness he has complete control of his body. That's where I think he is more athletic. We all can be quick but when the quickness results in loss of body control that means we have pushed that quickness beyond our limit/ capability. Rose leaps higher and further. I like Francis, but if I have the current Rose vs. the prime Francis, and pick who's more likely to dunk from FT line, I'd pick Rose... simply because he leaps higher and further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Rose has more quickness than Francis but even with that more amount of quickness he has complete control of his body. That's where I think he is more athletic. We all can be quick but when the quickness results in loss of body control that means we have pushed that quickness beyond our limit/ capability. Rose leaps higher and further. I like Francis, but if I have the current Rose vs. the prime Francis, and pick who's more likely to dunk from FT line, I'd pick Rose... simply because he leaps higher and further. I think Francis was just more out of control, period, which goes back to my first post where the main difference between them is between the ears. I don't think athletically speaking Rose has a distinct edge in terms of body control, and I REALLY disagree with the whole higher and further thing. Rose's max vertical jump was measured at 40" pre-draft. I can't find an official measurement of Francis', but on Google multiple sites have him listed at 43". Just take a look at him in the 2000 Dunk Contest (where they measured the vertical jump on some dunks...I *think* Francis got over 40" at the contest)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf4TheVeWpQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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