2010 elections

[Real Deal]

See I disagree with you there. Race relations and murder in general are different than actual threats to our nation's security. We absolutely did the right thing by going in on Afghanistan and the war on terror. Iraq could be looked at in 2 ways IMO. The first is that it was unnecessary and has played a role in why our country is in such bad shape today. Or, you can look at it as the US knocking out a very powerful regime and that IMO is definitely for the better of the world moving forward. Like I said though, there's 2 ways to look at Iraq but thankfully Bush was able to send the troop surge towards the end of his presidency and win it for us. The same strategy Obama is using now against Afghanistan which I completely support.

We didn't win anything...what are you talking about?

 

The war was even titled "The war against terrorism." Tell me...how are you going to end terrorism?

 

You don't go to war against an act that anyone can create, unless you decide you're going to kill everyone on the planet.

 

We should be defending our soil, sure, but only by monitoring what goes on here. We never, ever needed to go overseas to find a terrorist group that is spread out among countries, diving into the center of the Middle East and through their religious mini-wars, and pretending like we were there for a purpose.

 

Cool, we somehow accomplish our task and bring down what we feel is the core of al-qaeda. Six months later, a guy from Syria, who has been living in the states since 2002, hijacks a plane and flies it into another building. If we're led by Republicans, that means we go over to Syria and destroy their country, put their people in danger, probably fly over the country and drop bombs (like we did in Baghdad), and put our country in even more danger than it's already in because we think we know what we're doing.

 

There's no way anyone can convince me you can have a war against a single act, because a) the act happens, and it's over with, and b) you can't defeat something that can be attempted by anyone in and outside of the states. We marched our troops over to find and execute Saddam, take over land so we can have cheaper oil, and then search mountains in countries that would rather fight us than let us stroll in and take over their land.

 

For such a powerful and rich country, we sure got exposed, and nine years later (yeah, nine years), we have accomplished nothing.

[GamerGuy]

I'm registered as an independent, though my political views favor towards being conservative/libertarian. For these mid-term elections, I voted for more libertarians than republicans. I even voted for a democrat or two. Point is, I vote for who I think is the best fit for office, and I don't let a party influence me in that decision.

 

With me being in California though, all my votes were pretty much in vain. Sucks, but what can you do about it.

[EastCoastNiner]

So, I'm confused with what you're saying.

 

Are you saying that we never should have gone into Iraq, but going into Afghanistan was fine, or that we never should have gone into either?

 

If it's the first, I seriously have to question your thinking.

[Flash]

So wait, let me get this straight. You would've preferred we had done nothing at all after 9/11?

[JYD]

Its not about what's boring dude. Its about what's going to fix our nation. Just because Obama is a great speaker and because he's black doesn't make him a great candidate. He could be a feel good story but what people want is our country to get better under him and it simply hasn't.

That's not at all my point, my point was changing the status quo, and not just on the basis of ideology but also on who's in office. I'd love to see younger politicians win, black, hispanic, white...that's not even the point. My main point was I'd like to see some fresh faces in office, not just your typical 55 year old white male who is dominating the house of rep's (I believe I saw there are 0 blacks in the house of reps, that's just a shame to be honest)

[Real Deal]

So, I'm confused with what you're saying.

 

Are you saying that we never should have gone into Iraq, but going into Afghanistan was fine, or that we never should have gone into either?

 

If it's the first, I seriously have to question your thinking.

We had no reason to go into either country because our intentions were not what we said they were. We're fighting people that aren't even in al-qaeda, making more enemies. Does our military believe that al-qaeda will suddenly walk into our war zone and fight us?

 

So wait, let me get this straight. You would've preferred we had done nothing at all after 9/11?

I'm pretty sure I told you what we should've done.

 

Guess who looks like the most intelligent person coming out of all this? Bin Laden. Instead of fighting a war, he attacked and watched us get stupid. His biggest terrorist act isn't the 9/11 incident...it's actually watching a country go into major debt by blowing trillions of money on a war that serves no purpose, making more enemies, and having their own being killed off of US soil.

[Flash]

That's not at all my point, my point was changing the status quo, and not just on the basis of ideology but also on who's in office. I'd love to see younger politicians win, black, hispanic, white...that's not even the point. My main point was I'd like to see some fresh faces in office, not just your typical 55 year old white male who is dominating the house of rep's (I believe I saw there are 0 blacks in the house of reps, that's just a shame to be honest)

 

Most politicians don't actually get into big time Washington politics until their mid 40's early 50's.

 

And Allen West, a black Republican from Florida was elected the other night. There's other I believe but the fact is that most politicians end up being middle-aged white men.

Edited November 4, 2010 by Flash

[Dash]

GOP leader's top goal to make Obama a one term president.

 

WASHINGTON — The Senate's Republican leader has a simple postelection message for President Barack Obama: Move toward the GOP or get no help from its lawmakers.

 

Two days after Republicans scored big victories in congressional elections, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Thursday offered an aggressive assessment of the results, calling for votes to erode the reach of the health care law that was a signature of the Obama administration.

 

"That means that we can — and should — propose and vote on straight repeal, repeatedly," McConnell said.

 

McConnell's remarks, in a speech delivered to the conservative Heritage Foundation, acknowledged that Obama would veto such legislation, which probably would be blocked by the president's fellow Democrats in the Senate anyway.

 

He said the only way Republicans in Congress can achieve their goals is "to put someone in the White House who won't veto" a repeal of Obama's health care reform, spending cuts and shrinking the government.

 

More realistically, McConnell said Republicans, who will hold a majority in next year's House of Representatives, should aim to hobble the healthcare law by "denying funds for implementation" of the measure. Annual spending bills for agencies, including ones that implement the healthcare law, are normally written first in the House.

 

McConnell said the results of the midterms were not about Republicans but instead about Democrats, who he said got an "F." He said he expects Democrats will begin peeling off of their base to start supporting GOP initiatives.

 

"Every one of the 23 Democrats up [for re-election] in the next cycle have a clear understanding of what happened Tuesday," McConnell said. "I think we have major opportunities for bipartisan coalitions to support what we want to do."

McConnell eyes Democrats up for re-election in 2012

 

McConnell's confrontational tone was in sharp contrast to the chastened posture Obama took Wednesday in the face of a new Republican controlled House and Republican gains in the Senate.

 

On Wednesday, likely incoming House Speaker John Boehner said the he promised to be honest with Obama and the two agreed to work together on cutting spending and creating jobs, even though Republicans campaigned on vows to turn back much of Obama's agenda.

 

Democrats accused Republicans of putting the interests of large corporations ahead of families.

 

"It speaks volumes that the first thing on Republicans' 'to do' list is to give power back to big health insurance companies," said Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

 

Kim Monk, a healthcare analyst for Capital Alpha Partners in Washington, suggested Republican efforts to repeal parts of the new law could run up against the harsh reality of huge U.S. budget deficits.

 

"Even tweaks are going to cost money and that's a problem because it's a deficit-cutting environment," she said in a telephone interview.

 

Instead, Republicans most likely would continue speaking out against the law "just to keep the message alive. This is all about 2012 (election) strategy," she said.

 

The healthcare law, passed this year over Republican objections, provided the most sweeping reforms of the U.S. healthcare industry in decades. It aims to provide coverage to millions of people who have been going without insurance.

 

It imposes tough new standards on health insurers such as Aetna Inc and WellPoint Inc and requires all Americans to buy health insurance policies starting in 2014 or face fines, among other changes.

 

The Senate Republican leader said that he would attempt to stage votes in his chamber next year "against its most egregious provisions" of the law.

 

Those could include measures that penalize large employers if they do not offer health insurance to their workers and mandates on individuals to purchase health insurance.

 

McConnell's own approval rating, per a September NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, is 12 percent positive, 20 percent neutral and 18 percent negative, with another 50 percent responding that they did not have an opinion.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40007802/ns/politics-decision_2010/?GT1=43001

 

Right nevermind the American people and doing the job you were elected to do. What a joke but at least he's honest.

Edited November 5, 2010 by Dash

[JYD]

Politics as usual...Just like all the other people in Washington. Then you wonder why only about 50% of people in this country (who are capable) vote.

[Flash]

That's what they were elected to do. Stop his policies from going through. This comes as a surprise?

 

Also, lol @ MSNBC. Those goofballs were basically crying Tuesday night when the results were coming out. Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow can all DIAF.

[Real Deal]

LOL, every single time John Boehner is asked a question, he says, "It's what the people wanted. They spoke loud and clear."

 

FOXNews: "John, do you plan on compromising with some of President Obama's policies?"

John: "It's what the people wanted. They voted Tuesday. They spoke loud and clear."

FOXNews: "Yes, but Obama has come out and said he's looking to compromise, to work with the newly-elected House."

John: "Look, we are going to do what the people want us to do. They spoke loud and clear."

FOXNews: "Will you compromise with President Obama?"

John: "The people, they spoke loud and clear."

 

The translation?

 

John: "We are going to go against everything he proposes, fight for two years, then take full control of the government. We'll revert to where we were when Bush was in office, and we'll let our wounds heal themselves because we have no [expletive]ing idea what we need to do, other than lower taxes for everyone and do our best to eliminate Medicaid and Medicare."

 

This was after he started balling on live TV, telling us all his beautiful story about how much he loves America.

[EastCoastNiner]

You've stated numerous times that you don't like to affiliate yourself with a particular party, but everything you post shows how far left you are.

 

 

I'd rather hear the response he gave then these following responses:

 

Reporter: Why did you vote for Obama?

 

Obama voter: "Well, I want change".

 

(Repeat process for a large percentage of Obama voters)

 

 

Or:

 

Reporter: "President Obama, what are you going to do while you are in office? What are your goals"?

Obama: "I'm going to bring change".

 

 

And, I don't mind him saying that he wants to oppose Obama's policies. If Obama's policies were good then I would disagree, but the guy is a moron, so I'm glad he's opposing. It's much better than having the queen of botox as the Speaker of the House.

[JYD]

Obama actually has an interest in changing Washington and the way it works; unfortunately there's not enough of Obama's to change the way things work in congress.

 

When are they going to start pursuing agendas that middle class American's care for instead of worrying about the 2012 election? -_-

[EastCoastNiner]

Obama actually has an interest in changing Washington and the way it works; unfortunately there's not enough of Obama's to change the way things work in congress.

 

When are they going to start pursuing agendas that middle class American's care for instead of worrying about the 2012 election? -_-

 

Everything Obama wants to change is dumb. He wants to screw small businesses, screw the people that give millions of Americans jobs, screw people and force them to pay lots of money for health care ,ect.

 

If he had an ounce of intelligence I wouldn't care, but he's a moron. I probably wouldn't even be commenting much in these threads if Hillary Clinton was the president instead of Obama.

 

He is just THAT bad.

[Lkr]

Lol at people who voted for Boehner. Dumb[expletive] doesn't even understand CO2

[Real Deal]

http://whatthe[expletive]hasobamadonesofar.com

[NomarFachix]

http://whatthe[expletive]hasobamadonesofar.com

 

lmao I sent this to Lkr the other day, awesome.

[JYD]

Everything Obama wants to change is dumb. He wants to screw small businesses, screw the people that give millions of Americans jobs, screw people and force them to pay lots of money for health care ,ect.

 

If he had an ounce of intelligence I wouldn't care, but he's a moron. I probably wouldn't even be commenting much in these threads if Hillary Clinton was the president instead of Obama.

 

He is just THAT bad.

hahahaha. Obama is probably one of the few who actually get it in politics and congress; I think you're the moron.

 

Yeah I'm done in this thread. This is just...lol.

[EastCoastNiner]

http://whatthe[expletive]hasobamadonesofar.com

 

They left off:

 

- Has been in office while employment rates have doubled.

 

- Has tried to screw small businesses.

 

- Has forced illegal legislation down our throats.

 

- Told us we'd be out of Afghanistan.

 

 

The list goes on an on. Oh, and that stimulus package sucked. I don't think you people grasp how much money that really was. I'm going off the top of my head right now, but the amount of the stimulus package was larger than the GDP's f every country except nine.

 

That's [expletive]ing huge and will hurt us sooner than later.

 

However, I'm sure you guys don't care because some of you support handouts.

Edited November 5, 2010 by EastCoastNiner

[JYD]

They left off:

 

- Has been in office while employment rates have doubled.

 

- Has tried to screw small businesses.

 

- Has forced illegal legislation down our throats.

 

- Told us we'd be out of Afghanistan.

All of this is just complete and utter lies. Bring out the actual statistics that said it's DOUBLED under him...really, please do. Pretty sure from Nov 08-Mar 09 when his policies were not yet in place was when MOST of the unemployment rose...

 

All you talk about is screwing small businesses, how? What has he done? All I've heard from him is tax cuts for small businesses in the Stimulus package. Can you at least counter with some type of neutral, non-fox news source with how he's screwed small businesses? What exactly has he done? You seriously look like an ignorant Obama-basher when you say these things with little to no facts.

 

There has been no illegal legislation forced down our throats. Do you think we should do nothing about the 40 million uninsured people here? Hell, have you heard RD's story? That should make you in FAVOR of this health care plan. It's a damn shame we've waited this long for it...

 

He never said we'd be out of Afghanistan. If you actually listened, sometimes silence can be your best friend, if you actually took the time to listen during his campaign, he said he supported the war in afghanistan and opposed the war in iraq (and Yes, to me, Obama is a true patriot; he went against the status quo back in the early 2000's and spoke out and voted against the war in Iraq)...

 

So please, check your facts. If you want to have an intelligent political discussion, I'm all for it. But please, lets get some facts in here and actually read/listen to what these politicians say before we slam them.

 

Thank you.

[Flash]

The whole point of stopping these policies is because they're hurting our country. What don't you people realize about that? The American people, because there are Americans outside of OTR, DO NOT WANT his policies to go into effect. While you guys might think they're good, the majority of America thinks they suck.

[htown11]

The cat and mouse game is stupid, Republicans now have a large responsibility to deliver, if all they are going to do is focus on kicking Obama out of office, then 2012 will not look so great for them either.

 

Both parties have issues, and the argument in between is fine when things are moving smoothly, but when you have horrible unemployment and various other issues crippling this country, people don't want to see policies go back and forth they want to see action and improvement.

 

The Republicans are still lost IMO, they may have picked up big numbers but that's because the people are disgruntled with the situation and will try the opposite. The Republican's have yet to deliver and before Obama went into office they failed to deliver, you have two parties that can't seem to find a conclusion on issues, and they beg people to go out and vote....

[Lkr]

They left off:

 

- Has been in office while employment rates have doubled.

 

- Has tried to screw small businesses.

 

- Has forced illegal legislation down our throats.

 

- Told us we'd be out of Afghanistan.

 

 

The list goes on an on. Oh, and that stimulus package sucked. I don't think you people grasp how much money that really was. I'm going off the top of my head right now, but the amount of the stimulus package was larger than the GDP's f every country except nine.

 

That's [expletive]ing huge and will hurt us sooner than later.

 

However, I'm sure you guys don't care because some of you support handouts.

Bush didn't do any of those things during his reign

[JYD]

Bush didn't do any of those things during his reign

Don't bring it back to Bush. ECN doesn't like him. He realized that he was a failure...thank god for that.

 

Rather, lets focus on how wrong Obama is. Fighting for the middle class and policies that don't favor the rich is what is wrong with our country.

Edited November 5, 2010 by JYD

[Flash]

Don't bring it back to Bush. ECN doesn't like him. He realized that he was a failure...thank god for that.

 

Rather, lets focus on how wrong Obama is. Fighting for the middle class and policies that don't favor the rich is what is wrong with our country.

 

News flash:

 

Bush has been out of office for 2 years now. Maybe you can hold the current admin. responsible for a change now.

 

Its not about favoring anyone either. Stop [expletive]ing about how these policies favor the rich. We want what's best for the country as a whole, not one group of people. Enough of the victim card.

Edited November 5, 2010 by Flash