Heat May Be Better Off Trading Bosh

[Guest The REAL STL10]

By the end of this week, Chris Bosh’s seat might be hotter than Erik Spoelstra’s.

 

Whenever the Miami Heat lose a game, Twitter erupts with Pat Riley-to-replace-Spoelstra jokes.

 

Maybe it's true. Or maybe Pat Riley sees what I see. Chris Bosh is too soft to be the third wheel of the “Big Three.” You could see it Friday night when New Orleans centerEmeka Okafor stitched clown suits for the Miami bigs in the Heat's second loss of the young season.

 

A career 13-point scorer, Okafor dropped 26 and 13 on the Heat, sinking 12 of 13 shots. Off the bench, New Orleans reserve power forward Jason Smith, a second-year 7-footer, added 12 points and six boards. Toss in Chris Paul's 19 dimes, and the Hornets pretty much duplicated the formula Boston used to upset Miami — excellent point guard play (Rajon Rondo 17 assists) and front-court dominance at both ends of the court (51 points and 31 rebounds from Shaq, Big Baby, KG and Paul Pierce).

 

 

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Edited November 10, 2010 by The REAL STL10

[Flash]

Not a chance. I think he has a chance to be very, very good here.

[Guest The REAL STL10]

Heat need a guy like Marcus Camby. A guy who can defend well and really rebound for the HEAT.

 

I'm not saying trade Bosh for him, but something must be done to get him...

[Flash]

Heat need a guy like Marcus Camby. A guy who can defend well and really rebound for the HEAT.

 

I'm not saying trade Bosh for him, but something must be done to get him...

 

No. We just need a better starting center. If we can't sign a guy like Dampier this year then I think that'll be what we spend our MLE on this coming offseason.

[Guest The REAL STL10]

No. We just need a better starting center. If we can't sign a guy like Dampier this year then I think that'll be what we spend our MLE on this coming offseason.

 

LOL, Dampier?

 

A guy with stone hands who gets called Ericka by Shaq!?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40X3_EnWO9g

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxnCiwbH5gM

 

Heat are overrated, they're like the Chicago Cubs.

 

Just keep waiting till next year...

 

 

Edited November 10, 2010 by The REAL STL10

[Nitro]

Well, there is a few reasons why it shouldn't and won't happen...

 

1) The potential for Bosh (and, for that matter, the entire team) in this offense, and on the boards has not even been close to being realized. As a #1 option he averaged 25PPG on over 50% shooting. He may or may not have been putting up some empty stats on those Raptors team, but the fact of the matter is he is supremely talented. So far this season he has had the hardest time figuring out his role, and for the most part has been relegated to a spotup jumpshooter. I've seen some progress with him working within the offense to get better shots, like tonight where he rolled perfectly off a pick set for LeBron and got an easy layup. As he keeps figuring things out, he will certainly be more efficient from the floor, and will be a dangerous weapon. He probably won't crack 16-17PPG for the season, but just having such a versatile PF that can drop 30+ on any given night is a major advantage. On the boards, he will continue to get better. Since he has been relegated to being a spot-up shooter on offense and is actually playing in a strong defensive system and not simply standing under the basket waiting for rebounds, it will take awhile for him to get comfortable.

 

2) His help defense has been very good, and against natural PF's he has done a solid job (tonight he got owned). His range on defense has been a major reason this defense has been so suffocating, and his defense will only get better as he develops in a defensive-minded system. Also, until the team gets a true starting Center with size, they are going to struggle against teams with great frontcourts. I think starting and playing Z more minutes will GREATLY help this as he gives the team much needed size, which alone makes up for a decent amount of Bosh's deficiencies in the frontcourt. If they somehow get Dampier, Bosh's defense will start looking a LOT better.

 

3) Mike Miller, the team's 4th best player, is still out. Until we see the entire roster play 20+ games after they start gelling, making major roster moves, besides filling up glaring holes like at PG and C, is simply premature.

 

4) The Heat have played 8 games with an entirely revamped cast. They lost to the defending EC champs by like 5pts the 1st game, lost to a 7-0 team in the Hornets by 3pts, and gave up a 20pt lead overall and like a 6pt lead with 30 seconds left to a team expected to make the playoffs in a stacked WC (very possibly could win the NW division). So CHILL.

[Guest The REAL STL10]

Well, there is a few reasons why it shouldn't and won't happen...

 

 

3) Mike Miller, the team's 4th best player, is still out. Until we see the entire roster play 20+ games after they start gelling, making major roster moves, besides filling up glaring holes like at PG and C, is simply premature.

 

I think Miller is the key to the Heat personally.

 

If you can shoot 50+% from the 3 point range with the Wizards, what can he possibly do with the Heat?

 

I believe he'll shoot 55+% from 3-point range, score about 12 PPG, get about 4-6 RPG, and 4-5 APG.

 

In my opinion, he will be the 2nd best clutch player on the Heat behind D-Wade.

[Nitro]

I think Miller is the key to the Heat personally.

 

If you can shoot 50+% from the 3 point range with the Wizards, what can he possibly do with the Heat?

 

I believe he'll shoot 55+% from 3-point range, score about 12 PPG, get about 4-6 RPG, and 4-5 APG.

 

In my opinion, he will be the 2nd best clutch player on the Heat behind D-Wade.

 

Again, though, he'll need to learn his role, and that may take some time. He has been a little reluctant the last few seasons to pull the trigger on some shots he needs to take, and on the Heat he won't be asked to do all that much more. His ballhandling, passing and IQ will certainly help, but to expect him to average 4-5 assists when Wade isn't even doing that right now is a little too optimistic.

 

And he'll be more clutch than LeBron, who has hit the most GW shots in the league since 2005 and has statistically been the best clutch player in the league by a good margin for the last 3-4 seasons? No chance. He will be a much better option to hit a GW or game-tying 3 than Eddie House, though.

[Erick Blasco]

Well, there is a few reasons why it shouldn't and won't happen...

 

1) The potential for Bosh (and, for that matter, the entire team) in this offense, and on the boards has not even been close to being realized. As a #1 option he averaged 25PPG on over 50% shooting. He may or may not have been putting up some empty stats on those Raptors team, but the fact of the matter is he is supremely talented. So far this season he has had the hardest time figuring out his role, and for the most part has been relegated to a spotup jumpshooter. I've seen some progress with him working within the offense to get better shots, like tonight where he rolled perfectly off a pick set for LeBron and got an easy layup. As he keeps figuring things out, he will certainly be more efficient from the floor, and will be a dangerous weapon. He probably won't crack 16-17PPG for the season, but just having such a versatile PF that can drop 30+ on any given night is a major advantage. On the boards, he will continue to get better. Since he has been relegated to being a spot-up shooter on offense and is actually playing in a strong defensive system and not simply standing under the basket waiting for rebounds, it will take awhile for him to get comfortable.

 

2) His help defense has been very good, and against natural PF's he has done a solid job (tonight he got owned). His range on defense has been a major reason this defense has been so suffocating, and his defense will only get better as he develops in a defensive-minded system. Also, until the team gets a true starting Center with size, they are going to struggle against teams with great frontcourts. I think starting and playing Z more minutes will GREATLY help this as he gives the team much needed size, which alone makes up for a decent amount of Bosh's deficiencies in the frontcourt. If they somehow get Dampier, Bosh's defense will start looking a LOT better.

 

 

I don't know where you're seeing Bosh providing effective help on more than token occasions. He was picked apart in the Celtics game, and was ineffective against the Hornets. I've seen him provide poor screen defense, poor interior rotations, and poor closeouts. The rest of the Heat look solid defensively (aside from Ilgauskas, but that's not unexpected), but Bosh isn't providing that much on the defensive end, or on the rebounding end, where his board percentage is less than 10% (should rise with a decent rebound total against the Jazz, but that's a paltry amount). He has the farthest to go to get the Heat to where they need to be.

 

There's a link in the Paul best of all time thread highlighting some of Bosh's deficiencies.

Edited November 10, 2010 by Erick Blasco

[Real Deal]

You guys do realize how bad of shape Dampier is in, right? There's no point in trying to bring him back for a second workout. The idea isn't to bring in another six fouls, it's to acquire a legit starting center (if they aren't going to start Big Z, which should be happening right now).

[Nitro]

I don't know where you're seeing Bosh providing effective help on more than token occasions. He was picked apart in the Celtics game, and was ineffective against the Hornets. I've seen him provide poor screen defense, poor interior rotations, and poor closeouts. The rest of the Heat look solid defensively (aside from Ilgauskas, but that's not unexpected), but Bosh isn't providing that much on the defensive end, or on the rebounding end, where his board percentage is less than 10% (should rise with a decent rebound total against the Jazz, but that's a paltry amount). He has the farthest to go to get the Heat to where they need to be.

 

There's a link in the Paul best of all time thread highlighting some of Bosh's deficiencies.

 

I didn't catch the Heat-Hornets game (only game I didn't catch, or at least see the replay of), but as far as the Celtics game goes, it was the first time they ever played together with the full trio and the first meaningful game they played with each other, so I don't put too much stock into it. I thought Bosh has played great PnR defense, he's been very quick on rotations, and he's not making a ton of mistakes. His biggest problem that I've seen with his help defense is when he is rotating on a big man near the basket, and his lanky size isn't making it very tough for big men to finish. Occasionally he has over-rotated, but overall I think he has played effective team defense.

[Guest The REAL STL10]

You guys do realize how bad of shape Dampier is in, right? There's no point in trying to bring him back for a second workout. The idea isn't to bring in another six fouls, it's to acquire a legit starting center (if they aren't going to start Big Z, which should be happening right now).

 

Dampier is a JOKE.

 

I watched him for 7 years with the Mavs and hated every minute.

 

He misses wide open dunks, drops perfect passes on Alley-Oops, and gets posted up by any marginal center in the league.

[Clutch]

heat didnt sign damp

RAPTORS didnt sign damp

and rockets didnt sign damp

 

all 3 teams that you would think could use a guy his size, clearly its not worth it

[Nitro]

He misses wide open dunks, drops perfect passes on Alley-Oops, and gets posted up by any marginal center in the league.

 

All that describes Joel Anthony, except Dampier has size, can rebound the ball (especially on the offensive glass), has better hands, and he still has a better offensive and defensive arsenal than Anthony.

 

He needs to be signed, even as just a 1-year rental until the Heat have the MLE and a fresh batch of FA veterans to work with in the off-season. If it was one of those marginal moves where the Heat could probably get by without his services, then I'd say F him because of his attitude. But in this situation, where there is such extreme pressure to win it all this season, a move needs to be made, and the Heat don't have the trade assets to get it done any other way.