kingfish Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJwpqrzi8n8&feature=player_embedded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Farmar was pulling his jersey on the drive to the rim, but that's about it. And it's just one play, so it certainly isn't something that 'clearly' shows the refs hate Kobe (which is probably true considering how much he viciously barks at the refs). I've always held the belief that while superstars, in general, get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to getting calls, the bigger factor is how often you attack the rim. If you attack the rim often and don't avoid contact (like Rose before this season), then you'll be more likely to get calls other players don't. I do think Kobe has been screwed over in the past on a number of occasions by the refs, but I do think his style of play has a lot to do with it. It's not really fair, but it just is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawks Fly High Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Farmer definetly didn't only tug at his jersey he also swiped and got portions of his finger and the ball, which exactly why Kobe brought it under and finished. If Kobe wasn't so disrespectful he would get more calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Farmer definetly didn't only tug at his jersey he also swiped and got portions of his finger and the ball, which exactly why Kobe brought it under and finished. If Kobe wasn't so disrespectful he would get more calls.That's one thing I hate about the NBA. Who gives a [expletive] about who's respectful and who isn't. Or who's a superstar and who isn't. If someone gets fouled call it. It;s not rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaveli Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) Kobe hasn't been getting the same calls as other superstars such as Wade and LeBron. It could be related to his style of play, which is settling to more and more jumpshots as he gets older, but if there is a foul, then just whistle it. The ref was standing 2 feet away when Farmar raped Kobe's jersey and smacked him against the fingers. Edited January 16, 2011 by #24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawks Fly High Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 That's one thing I hate about the NBA. Who gives a [expletive] about who's respectful and who isn't. Or who's a superstar and who isn't. If someone gets fouled call it. It;s not rocket science.Agreed, but the NBA is so corrupt if you don't practically get on your knees you get no perks. Referees should just call and go the [expletive] home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Blasco Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 That's one thing I hate about the NBA. Who gives a [expletive] about who's respectful and who isn't. Or who's a superstar and who isn't. If someone gets fouled call it. It;s not rocket science. Brush up a bit on psychology and the human condition and then reenter this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Brush up a bit on psychology and the human condition and then reenter this thread.I'm actually studying psychology at college. Funnily enough we don't have a module on 'NBA Bias'. It's completely irrelevant to the topic anyway. It shouldn't matter who's nice to the refs and who isn't... these refs are hired to make sure the NBA games are fair and to uphold the rules.... not to judge who's the nicer person and who's more deserving of attempting FTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Kobe has always been loved by the refs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 I'm actually studying psychology at college. Funnily enough we don't have a module on 'NBA Bias'. It's completely irrelevant to the topic anyway. It shouldn't matter who's nice to the refs and who isn't... these refs are hired to make sure the NBA games are fair and to uphold the rules.... not to judge who's the nicer person and who's more deserving of attempting FTs. It's not just about the conscious bias refs have, it's the unconscious bias as well. Even if you follow the code of conduct as ref, if you don't like someone it's human nature to not give that player the same benefit of the doubt you would another player, even if you go in thinking, "I'm going to give everyone the same treatment." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artesticle Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 kobe clearly doesn't get the same treatment as wade or lebron, or the other superstars, and it's not a surprise to see why. i wouldn't give him calls if i were the refs either. he whines and [expletive]es way too much, just like the rest of our team (pau, LO, drew). maybe if he treated them with a little more respect they'd give him more benefit of the doubt. but if i had a guy cussing me out every play i wouldn't give him calls either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Swish* Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Stars get enough calls that aren't even supposed to be called. But this one was clearly a foul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Kobe, stop showing off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) It's not just about the conscious bias refs have, it's the unconscious bias as well. Even if you follow the code of conduct as ref, if you don't like someone it's human nature to not give that player the same benefit of the doubt you would another player, even if you go in thinking, "I'm going to give everyone the same treatment."I hear what you're saying... but they shouldn't be any different from any other line of work. If I'm at work serving a customer I don't like I can't just ignore them, shortchange them or w/e because I would get fired. Who cares if they're referees, they are still proffesionals who are doing their job, which is supposed to be calling a fair and unbiased game to the best of their ability. If the referees aren't able to do that then they should be held accountable. Edited January 17, 2011 by Big Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I hear what you're saying... but they shouldn't be any different from any other line of work. If I'm at work serving a customer I don't like I can't just ignore them, shortchange them or w/e because I would get fired. Who cares if they're referees, they are still proffesionals who are doing their job, which is supposed to be calling a fair and unbiased game to the best of their ability. If the referees aren't able to do that then they should be held accountable. Let me give you an analogy. I worked at a CVS for 2 years, and had all kind of customers; very nice ones, annoying but tolerable ones, complete [expletive]s, etc... In my mind, like you said, I was trying to just keep my job and do my best with each. However, when I had the ones who were complete [expletive]s, I might not take a coupon that expired one day ago, may not scan the $1 off coupon on a pack of cigarettes, etc... However, with nice, polite customers, I would do those kinds of things. The NBA is similar. Fouls are subjective, and even though there are general guidelines, each foul is based on a referee's judgement. Let's say you get the equivelant of an '[expletive] customer'...you think those refs are going to give him the benefit of the doubt? Probably not. There are so many layers to it, and so many different analogies I can make, but basically what I'm trying to say is that referee bias is not just conscious, it's unsconscious; meaning, you don't even know it's happening as you do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Let me give you an analogy. I worked at a CVS for 2 years, and had all kind of customers; very nice ones, annoying but tolerable ones, complete [expletive]s, etc... In my mind, like you said, I was trying to just keep my job and do my best with each. However, when I had the ones who were complete [expletive]s, I might not take a coupon that expired one day ago, may not scan the $1 off coupon on a pack of cigarettes, etc... However, with nice, polite customers, I would do those kinds of things. The NBA is similar. Fouls are subjective, and even though there are general guidelines, each foul is based on a referee's judgement. Let's say you get the equivelant of an '[expletive] customer'...you think those refs are going to give him the benefit of the doubt? Probably not. There are so many layers to it, and so many different analogies I can make, but basically what I'm trying to say is that referee bias is not just conscious, it's unsconscious; meaning, you don't even know it's happening as you do it.Well sure, but that was only little things. I get what you're saying... all bias is bad but I understand some can't be helped. If someone goes to the rim and is brushed on the arm a little bit (barely enough for a foul) you might let it go from bias. But to let something this blatant go because you don't like the player is beyond acceptable. Think of letting a questionable call go compared to not scanning the $1 coupon. Now if a rude customer came in, would you charge him $25 for something that was actually $2.50? No you wouldn't because you would be in a lot of trouble. Letting a questionable call go every now and then because you hate the person taking the shot is one thing, but missing a call this blatant and purposely letting fouls go up and down the floor should have serious concequences. The unconcious no calls are 99% of the time gonna be little things. You see a guy lift a pivot foot, it doesn't do much, nobody else really cares, so you let it go because you like him. But when a guy grabs another players jersey so it becomes untucked, then hits them on the arm blatantly, there's no way that's unconcious. The referee either saw that foul happen and chose not to call it, or saw a hot chick sitting in the 1st row and was too busy having some dirty fantasy and couldn't make the call. Either way it's unnaceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Well sure, but that was only little things. I get what you're saying... all bias is bad but I understand some can't be helped. If someone goes to the rim and is brushed on the arm a little bit (barely enough for a foul) you might let it go from bias. But to let something this blatant go because you don't like the player is beyond acceptable. Think of letting a questionable call go compared to not scanning the $1 coupon. Now if a rude customer came in, would you charge him $25 for something that was actually $2.50? No you wouldn't because you would be in a lot of trouble. Letting a questionable call go every now and then because you hate the person taking the shot is one thing, but missing a call this blatant and purposely letting fouls go up and down the floor should have serious concequences. The unconcious no calls are 99% of the time gonna be little things. You see a guy lift a pivot foot, it doesn't do much, nobody else really cares, so you let it go because you like him. But when a guy grabs another players jersey so it becomes untucked, then hits them on the arm blatantly, there's no way that's unconcious. The referee either saw that foul happen and chose not to call it, or saw a hot chick sitting in the 1st row and was too busy having some dirty fantasy and couldn't make the call. Either way it's unnaceptable. I'm not saying it's all unconscious, and some refs do have vendetta's against certain players. But often times I think we, as fans, overreact to the whole ref situation in the NBA. I think these bias' are over-stated, and when you are a regular guy trying to make split-second decisions in games that are NBA speed, with you only have a certain angle on the play, it isn't as easy as it seems. Some of those fouls are flat-out missed (meaning the ref just didn't see the violation), some are unconsciously missed, some are consciously missed, and some can go either way. In a game where there's over a hundred possessions and so many calls to be made, a few missed calls should be expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 18, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 It's been pretty bad over the last three seasons, at least since getting Gasol. Bryant still attacks the rim from time to time (you would've seen this tonight, against the Thunder), but it takes a nasty foul to send him to the line. He was hit a couple of times on jumpers tonight, no call...but then, the ref calls a reach-in on Durant at the end of the game that, even though it was clearly a foul, was not as bad as those that players get away with. Reggie Miller said it best in the Boston/Orlando game: shooters get hit quite a bit, and it's even worse when there's contact on a jumper. He's right. It takes a simple tap to the elbow to send your shot elsewhere. I've had guys that did it to me all the damn time, and it was annoying when they got away with it. Obviously, those fouls are going to be a bit harder to call than a player getting trucked in the lane by Shaq, but the referee doesn't have trouble calling them for Kevin Durant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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