Sheridan on Knicks/Nets/Melo

[NomarFachix]

Sheridan covering topics on ESPN Radio on the Melo saga

http://es.pn/hNTd6x

 

• Melo will only sign an extension if he's traded to New York
  
• The Nets don't have a shot at him, unless they want to deal Favors and 1sts for a rental
  
• Thinks he either stays in Denver or is dealt to Knicks (75% chance to Knicks, 20% Denver, 5% somewhere else)
  
• Nuggets want Batum, but Portland would require a comparable player and a lottery pick
  
• If Knicks trade goes down, he sees it as Curry, Chandler, Fields, Walker, Whatever they get for Randolph... 4 of 5 items will be in trade
  
• Knicks and Nuggets both need this trade by the deadline... Nuggets need to get something for Anthony, Knicks would need to renounce Chandler or trade a few guys to make enough room to sign both in offseason

[Real Deal]

No surprise.

 

Melo will only sign an extension if he's traded to New York

 

The Nets don't have a shot at him, unless they want to deal Favors and 1sts for a rental

In other words, the Nets aren't going to get him.

 

Denver needs to just keep him until July.

[JYD]

If I were Denver I'd trade him for Curry, Fields, Walker, and a 1st rd pick (assuming the Knicks can somehow get that for Randolph).

 

It's better than losing him in July like Bron and Bosh did to their teams.

[Nitro]

Denver needs to just keep him until July.

 

Nah, they'd get less assets than if they just trade him before the deadline to NY.

[magicbalala245]

Nah, they'd get less assets than if they just trade him before the deadline to NY.

 

Real Deal is just saying that so Denver also screws over Melo since Melo is screwing Nuggets over by not letting him be traded to any other team besides the Knicks and in regards that Melo loses out in millions which is how Denver can screw Melo come July.

[Nitro]

Real Deal is just saying that so Denver also screws over Melo since Melo is screwing Nuggets over by not letting him be traded to any other team besides the Knicks and in regards that Melo loses out in millions which is how Denver can screw Melo come July.

 

Gotcha, although it's stupid to risk your future to spite a guy who has carried the franchise for the last 8 years. And if the new CBA comes out and max contracts and and the salary cap are pretty much the same as they are now, then the Nuggets will have egg all over their face (same can be said if they don't reach an agreement and extend the current CBA one more year).

[Real Deal]

Nah, they'd get less assets than if they just trade him before the deadline to NY.

I know. I still don't like the situation, but it's not my team.

 

To be honest, though...I would actually just bench him now, work out a deal with the Knicks, then trade him the day of the deadline. Denver is going to struggle without him anyway.

[Nitro]

I know. I still don't like the situation, but it's not my team.

 

To be honest, though...I would actually just bench him now, work out a deal with the Knicks, then trade him the day of the deadline. Denver is going to struggle without him anyway.

 

I agree. And if Melo happens to tear an ACL or has some kind of serious injury, it will destroy their chances to get any value in return besides a TPE.

[Multi-Billionaire]

Not so fast, Knick fans

 

 

Anthony said the ongoing collective bargaining negotiations between the league and its players have created a sense of urgency for him.

 

"I've been sitting in meetings with the owners and seeing what is their problem with everything," he said. "I've been in several of the meetings to know what the problem is and what's going on. It's going to take some time to get the owners and the players on the same page."

 

Is there going to be a lockout?

 

"Oh, without a doubt," he said. "Without a doubt."

 

So that's another reason to sign the extension now, I said.

 

"Exactly."

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ian_thomsen/01/18/carmelo/index.html

 

 

Did Melo just give himself (his leverage) away here? Since Denver pretty much ruled out trading him to Knicks, this means he will not risk signing with Knicks as a FA in summer. He wants extension, not new contract with a new team as a FA.

 

He also said:

 

 

Would Anthony sign an extension with the Nets if they were able to complete a trade for him? He wouldn't tell me, but he indicated Ujiri knows the answer.

 

"If he wanted to know, he could come and ask me," said Anthony. "There's nothing that's been said in the paper that we haven't talked about already, and there's things that I know and he know that has not gotten out there and that people don't even know about right now."

 

If Ujiri ALREADY KNOWS if Melo will or will not sign extension with Nets, and Denver is still talking with New Jersey about trade, the answer is "yes he will sign extension with Nets"?

 

 

Sheridan is just covering his [expletive] for his early story 1 month ago when he pretty much guaranteed Melo will go to NY.

Edited January 19, 2011 by Multi-Billionaire

[NomarFachix]

Sheridan is just covering his [expletive] for his early story 1 month ago when he pretty much guaranteed Melo will go to NY.

 

Sheridan's reported the same thing since the story began. I'm not sure how continuing to report the same thing you've been reporting is "covering your [expletive]"...

 

You've been hard over Melo to the Nets for months, maybe this is Snake covering his [expletive]

[Multi-Billionaire]

^Sheridan was adamant about Melo's "New York or nothing" stance...

 

Then reports emerged from Stein, Broussard, Wojnarowski, Spears and basically all reliable sources that Melo has not ruled out Nets and the fact the Nuggets and Nets have worked the fine details of the trade for weeks/ months. Do you really think Nuggets have no knowledge whatsoever on Melo's intent on signing with Nets (whether he'd do it or not), and worked their [expletive] off on trade details for weeks, only for Melo to say, after the trade framework is done, "No, I will not sign extension with Nets. Ha-har you worked on it for weeks/ months only for me to shoot it down."

 

It doesn't make sense. The fact that Nuggets are willing to go this far and this long with Nets is a reason to believe they know there's a big chance Melo will agree with extension with Nets, which clearly proves Sheridan's sources wrong. He's covering his [expletive] now... before people categorize his sources as New York tabloid/ bleacher report legitimate.

 

 

I don't care if I'm wrong or right, it doesn't matter. I analyze and try to figure out the situation. Obviously, I'd want the Nuggets to deal with the Nets more than Knicks.

[Dash]

If the Nets back away from melo then I still doubt that the Knicks come away with him in a trade this season. Several teams willing to take Melo as a rental like the Rockets could easily trump NY’s offer.

[NomarFachix]

What would the Rockets offer in a rental scenario that trumps Gallo/Chandler, Fields, Curry, and a 1st?

 

Seriously curious.

[NomarFachix]

^Sheridan was adamant about Melo's "New York or nothing" stance...

 

Then reports emerged from Stein, Broussard, Wojnarowski, Spears and basically all reliable sources that Melo has not ruled out Nets and the fact the Nuggets and Nets have worked the fine details of the trade for weeks/ months. Do you really think Nuggets have no knowledge whatsoever on Melo's intent on signing with Nets (whether he'd do it or not), and worked their [expletive] off on trade details for weeks, only for Melo to say, after the trade framework is done, "No, I will not sign extension with Nets. Ha-har you worked on it for weeks/ months only for me to shoot it down."

 

It doesn't make sense. The fact that Nuggets are willing to go this far and this long with Nets is a reason to believe they know there's a big chance Melo will agree with extension with Nets, which clearly proves Sheridan's sources wrong. He's covering his [expletive] now... before people categorize his sources as New York tabloid/ bleacher report legitimate.

 

 

I don't care if I'm wrong or right, it doesn't matter. I analyze and try to figure out the situation. Obviously, I'd want the Nuggets to deal with the Nets more than Knicks.

 

I skimmed this, to be honest... But when you say something, and then stick to your guns about that something... That's not covering your [expletive].

[kingfish]

If I were Denver I'd trade him for Curry, Fields, Walker, and a 1st rd pick (assuming the Knicks can somehow get that for Randolph).

 

It's better than losing him in July like Bron and Bosh did to their teams.

You'd be willing to trade Fields in a package for Melo? Fields is a beast.

[Multi-Billionaire]

Fields reminds me of Knicks' own former rookie Channing Frye. Seems to have an "on-fire" rookie season... I remember everyone on the Knicks were made available for trade except Frye.

 

But I really don't see anything special from Fields, just like Frye, he'll be a role player for life.

[Multi-Billionaire]

I skimmed this, to be honest... But when you say something, and then stick to your guns about that something... That's not covering your [expletive].

 

Problem is he's sticking to his guns when other top NBA sources from ESPN, Yahoo, CBS keep saying the opposite. The more he defends his sources, the stupider he makes himself.

 

 

A person with knowledge of the proposed Carmelo Anthony(notes) trade says the holdup is over the framework of the deal, not the All-Star forward’s willingness to commit to New Jersey.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Al8T1bONIzzTHpzcvRYIqfW8vLYF?slug=ap-nets-anthony

[NomarFachix]

There's a Melo superthread in your own team HQ if you want to post your yahoo sports links there...

 

Comparing Fields to Frye is laughable. Legitimately.

[Dash]

What would the Rockets offer in a rental scenario that trumps Gallo/Chandler, Fields, Curry, and a 1st?

 

Seriously curious.

 

We can offer more cap relief than any other team and our collection of youngins is better than the Knicks' imo. I'm not sure how much of our assets Morey would be willing to part with for a rental, but I do think that we could beat Knicks' offer. Personally I don't want to trade for Melo because I want to rebuild (if that wasn't obvious enough) and I'd rather not lose good young talent like Patrick Patterson and Aaron Brooks for a rental.

 

I'd give any team that trades for Melo a 30%-40% chance (besides the Knicks who would have a 100% chance) to resign him because I do think its going to be very, very tough for him to walk out on max dollars.

[NomarFachix]

We can offer more cap relief than any other team and our collection of youngins is better than the Knicks' imo.

 

If Morey came up to you today (on your doorstep!) and said "We have one offer to make and you get to make it... What will you offer for Carmelo Anthony? We must beat out the Knicks and still maintain roster integrity."... What would your one final offer be?

[Multi-Billionaire]

I'll take a package of Aaron Brooks and Kevin Martin over any Knicks package.

 

Frye was untouchable in his rookie year remember? The Knicks fans' obsession for Fields is the same with their obsession for Frye back then. Fields has slow feet, unimpressive lateral speed, and so-so athleticism. Sure I think he'll be a solid (role) player in his career. I said it on draft night, that he reminds me of Rick Fox but he's a taller and longer version. He'll be that type of 3 pt shooter, defender, facilitator, slow role player, but certainly not this up-and-coming star Knicks fans seem to make him to be, and certainly not a reason to be excited about if he's included in the trade package for Melo.

Edited January 19, 2011 by Multi-Billionaire

[NomarFachix]

Frye was untouchable in his rookie year remember? The Knicks fans' obsession for Fields is the same with their obsession for Frye back then. Fields has slow feet, unimpressive lateral speed, and so-so athleticism. Sure I think he'll be a solid (role) player in his career. I said it on draft night, that he reminds me of Rick Fox but he's a taller and longer version. He'll be that type of 3 pt shooter, defender, facilitator, slow role player, but certainly not this up-and-coming star Knicks fans seem to make him to be, and certainly not a reason to be excited about if he's included in the trade package for Melo.

 

He's not really all that slow for 6-7...

 

The comparison is bad because Frye was always a finesse 5. He has no true position. He's a 3 trapped in the body of a 5. Couldn't play a lick of defense. Never brought anything above average to the table. Was he unavailable as a rookie? Probably, he was the 8th overall pick of that draft... Why make him available in his rookie season?

 

Fields is a nearly opposite player of Frye, so whether or not Frye was unavailable in his rookie season, the comparison is awful.

 

When anyone calls Fields a star-in-the-making, hit me up. He's an extremely heady rookie and he's impressed beyond belief considering his draft status. He's a pivotal cog for this team. None of that means 'superstar'.

[Nitro]

He's not really all that slow for 6-7...

 

The comparison is bad because Frye was always a finesse 5. He has no true position. He's a 3 trapped in the body of a 5. Couldn't play a lick of defense. Never brought anything above average to the table. Was he unavailable as a rookie? Probably, he was the 8th overall pick of that draft... Why make him available in his rookie season?

 

Fields is a nearly opposite player of Frye, so whether or not Frye was unavailable in his rookie season, the comparison is awful.

 

When anyone calls Fields a star-in-the-making, hit me up. He's an extremely heady rookie and he's impressed beyond belief considering his draft status. He's a pivotal cog for this team. None of that means 'superstar'.

 

Perfectly stated, not much more to add regarding the Frye comparison. Fields may only have decent athleticism, and doesn't have superstar potential, but he's a perfect role player for the Knicks. He has a very high IQ, is an exceptional rebounder for his position, doesn't shoot the team in the foot by forcing the issue, and he does still have a lot of room for improvement (which I am fully confident that he will succeed in doing with time). Finding role players as good as Fields that are so young is extremely rare, and do have high value.

[Multi-Billionaire]

I won't refute Fields is a good player, but he's not a player we (from Nuggets perspective) get excited about if he's included in the Melo trade package.

 

 

Walsh: "Chandler, Curry, 1st rd pick"

 

Denver: "No"

 

Walsh: "Alright, we'll include Fields too, deal?"

 

Denver: "..."

 

 

I mean, he is a good player and all but really doesn't make any friggin difference! He's not that good of a player. I'd have Fields on my team though, no doubt... but he's hardly a reason why you're excited about in trade package, when your team is giving up Carmelo.

Edited January 20, 2011 by Multi-Billionaire

[Nitro]

I won't refute Fields is a good player, but he's not a player we (from Nuggets perspective) get excited about if he's included in the Melo trade package.

 

 

Walsh: "Chandler, Curry, 1st rd pick"

 

Denver: "No"

 

Walsh: "Alright, we'll include Fields too, deal?"

 

Denver: "..."

 

 

I mean, he is a good player and all but really doesn't make any friggin difference! He's not that good of a player. I'd have Fields on my team though, no doubt... but he's hardly a reason why you're excited about in trade package, when your team is giving up Carmelo.

 

You guys have no leverage. Either get a crappy package from a team willing to take on Melo as a rental, take a decent package from the Knicks, or get a TPE in the offseason.

 

And you should get excited about Fields. He may not have star potential, but glue guys that can produce are a rarity. And it's not like he'll be the centerpiece of the trade, but he's a damn good throw-in.