Mid-Season Awards

[Check my Stats]

[b]MVP: [/b]
[b]Coach of the Year: [/b]
[b]Defensive Player of the Year: [/b]
[b]Most Improved: [/b]
[b]6th man: [/b]
[b]Rookie of the Year: [/b] Blake Griffin

[b]Biggest Disappointment (player or team): [/b]
[b]Biggest Surprise (player or team): [/b]

[u][b]First League All-Team: [/b][/u]
[b]C:[/b]
[b]PF:[/b]
[b]SF:[/b]
[b]SG:[/b]
[b]PG:[/b]

[b][u]Finals Guess:[/b][/u]

Team vs Team

 

Who ya guys got?

Edited January 19, 2011 by Check my Stats

[Nitro]

MVP: LeBron James

Coach of the Year: Gregg Popavich

Defensive Player of the Year: Dwight Howard

Most Improved: Michael Beasley

6th man: Jamal Crawford

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Tryeke Evans

Biggest Surprise (player or team): San Antonio Spurs

 

First League All-Team:

C: Dwight Howard

PF: Amare Stoudemire

SF: LeBron James

SG: Dwyane Wade

PG: Deron Williams (tossup between him, Paul and Rose, could go any way)

 

Finals Guess:

 

Celtics vs. Lakers (Celtics win in 6)

[Big Penny]

MVP: Derrick Rose

Coach of the Year: Greg Popovich

Defensive Player of the Year: Dwight Howard

Most Improved: Kevin Love

6th man: Jamal Crawford

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Houston Rockets

Biggest Surprise (player or team): San Antonio Spurs

 

First League All-Team:

C: Dwight Howard

PF: Kevin Durant

SF: LeBron James

SG: Kobe Bryant

PG: Derrick Rose

 

Finals Guess:

Los Angeles Lakers 4 - 3 Boston Celtics

[AboveLegit]

MVP: Derrick Rose

Coach of the Year: Gregg Popvich

Defensive Player of the Year: Kevin Garnett

Most Improved: Wesley Matthews

6th man: Jamal Crawford

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Houston Rockets (Had very high hopes for them)

Biggest Surprise (player or team): Spurs

 

First League All-Team:

C:Dwight Howard

PF:Dirk Nowitzki

SF:LeBron James

SG:Kobe Bryant

PG:Chris Paul

 

Finals Guess:

 

Boston Celtics (4) vs. San Antonio Spurs (2)

[Hawks Fly High]

MVP: Derrick Rose

Coach of the Year: Gregg Popvich

Defensive Player of the Year: Dwight Howard

Most Improved: Dorrell Wright

6th man: Jamal Crawford

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Bucks

Biggest Surprise (player or team): Spurs

 

First League All-Team:

C:Dwight Howard

PF:Amare Stoudemire

SF:LeBron James

SG:Kobe Bryant

PG:Derrick Rose

 

Finals Guess:

 

Los Angeles Lakers (4)- Boston Celtics (3)

[Nitro]

MVP: Derrick Rose

Coach of the Year: Gregg Popvich

Defensive Player of the Year: Kevin Garnett

Most Improved: Wesley Matthews

6th man: Jamal Crawford

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Houston Rockets (Had very high hopes for them)

Biggest Surprise (player or team): Spurs

 

First League All-Team:

C:Dwight Howard

PF:Dirk Nowitzki

SF:LeBron James

SG:Kobe Bryant

PG:Chris Paul

 

Finals Guess:

 

Boston Celtics (4) vs. San Antonio Spurs (2)

 

See, that's my problem with calling Derrick Rose the MVP; I was on the fence about putting him as MVP, but when I got to the First Team selection, I couldn't put him over Williams. So, how can Rose be MVP if he's not a First Teamer? That doesn't make sense, especially since the Jazz and Hornets both have comparable records to the Bulls.

[Real Deal]

MVP: Derrick Rose

Coach of the Year: Gregg Popovich

Defensive Player of the Year: Dwight Howard

Most Improved: Kevin Love

6th man: Lamar Odom

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Houston Rockets

Biggest Surprise (player or team): San Antonio Spurs

 

First League All-Team:

C: Dwight Howard

F: Kevin Durant

F: LeBron James

G: Kobe Bryant

G: Derrick Rose

 

Finals Guess: Lakers 4, Celtics 3

[deestillballin]

MVP: Derrick Rose (Kevin Durant VERY close 2nd)

Coach of the Year: Gregg Popovich

Defensive Player of the Year: Dwight Howard

Most Improved: Kevin Love

6th man: Jason Terry (yeah Homerism sue me)

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): none...

Biggest Surprise (player or team): Amare + New York Knicks (I honestly had this in the wrong spot)

 

First League All-Team:

C: Dwight Howard

F: Tim Duncan

F: Kevin Durant

G: Kobe Bryant

G: Derrick Rose

 

Finals Guess: Celtics 4 over Lakers 3

Edited January 20, 2011 by deestillballin

[Real Deal]

See, that's my problem with calling Derrick Rose the MVP; I was on the fence about putting him as MVP, but when I got to the First Team selection, I couldn't put him over Williams. So, how can Rose be MVP if he's not a First Teamer? That doesn't make sense, especially since the Jazz and Hornets both have comparable records to the Bulls.

He may not be the best point guard in the NBA, but he's a better guard than Deron Williams. All-NBA teams don't go by position. They call for two guards, two forwards and a center. KB and Wade have been selected as the two guards over the last two seasons.

 

So, while I wouldn't put him over CP3 as the top PG in the NBA, I'll stick him on the All-NBA First Team over Paul and Williams because he's playing out of his mind right now, and doing it with less help.

[Nitro]

He may not be the best point guard in the NBA, but he's a better guard than Deron Williams. All-NBA teams don't go by position. They call for two guards, two forwards and a center. KB and Wade have been selected as the two guards over the last two seasons.

 

So, while I wouldn't put him over CP3 as the top PG in the NBA, I'll stick him on the All-NBA First Team over Paul and Williams because he's playing out of his mind right now, and doing it with less help.

 

I agree he's been better than Paul, but not Williams. Both are playing exceptional, but Williams has put up overall better numbers, is the better pure PG, and even though he probably has had more help than Rose, look at the schedule the Bulls have had the last 5 weeks (where they've piled up the wins):

 

vs. Min

vs. Ind

@ Tor

vs. LAC

vs. Phi

@ Was

@ NY

@ Det

vs. Mil

vs. NJ

vs. Cle

vs. Tor

@ NJ

@ Phi

vs. Bos (no KG)

vs. Det

@ Cha

@ Ind

vs. Mia (without LeBron, and without Bosh for a quarter)

@ Mem

@Cha

 

 

I mean, that's a ridiculously easy schedule. So, even though the Jazz and Bulls have basically the same record, and Rose has had less help, the Jazz's more difficult schedule closes that gap.

[Real Deal]

I agree he's been better than Paul, but not Williams. Both are playing exceptional, but Williams has put up overall better numbers, is the better pure PG

Their numbers aren't that much different from each other's. Rose scores more, rebounds better, blocks more shots. Williams has more assists, shoots better by just one percent.

 

If we go by numbers, CP3 is kicking both of their asses. He's shooting better from all spots on the floor (48/45/90), averaging the most assists, turning the ball over much less, playing the best defense among the three (by miles) with many more steals per game, and his team is only a game and a half behind Utah, and pretty close to Chicago as well.

 

So, you can't tell me you'll put Rose over CP3, but not Deron, if we're talking about that one position. CP3 is the best PG in the league.

[Nitro]

Their numbers aren't that much different from each other's. Rose scores more, rebounds better, blocks more shots. Williams has more assists, shoots better by just one percent.

 

Williams gets to the line better than Rose, and is more efficient from 2 and 3pt range, so he has a TS% that's 6% better than Rose's. That does hold significance.

 

If we go by numbers, CP3 is kicking both of their asses. He's shooting better from all spots on the floor (48/45/90), averaging the most assists, turning the ball over much less, playing the best defense among the three (by miles) with many more steals per game, and his team is only a game and a half behind Utah, and pretty close to Chicago as well.

 

So, you can't tell me you'll put Rose over CP3, but not Deron, if we're talking about that one position. CP3 is the best PG in the league.

 

I agree CP3 is the best player of the 3, but individually he hasn't been as impressive this season as they have. In the Hornets offense he has taken a backseat. He's still ultra-efficient when it comes to scoring and playmaking, but the volume just isn't on the same level as Rose and Williams. And, for what it's worth, Williams is running a top 6 offense, while the Bulls and Hornets are 19th and 23rd, respectively.

[Real Deal]

I agree CP3 is the best player of the 3, but individually he hasn't been as impressive this season as they have.

I'm not sure how that makes sense if he's doing everything better than they are, by the numbers (other than actually PPG, of course).

 

And, for what it's worth, Williams is running a top 6 offense, while the Bulls and Hornets are 19th and 23rd, respectively.

Not worth much because neither has the support from their teammates like Deron Williams does. Maybe if Boozer and Noah were healthy, I'd re-consider.

 

So...if you say Williams belongs on the first team, why didn't you consider Williams as the MVP, yet you considered Rose? The Jazz are almost as good as Chicago, and they are in a tougher conference...and you gave me the list of games yourself.

[AboveLegit]

See, that's my problem with calling Derrick Rose the MVP; I was on the fence about putting him as MVP, but when I got to the First Team selection, I couldn't put him over Williams. So, how can Rose be MVP if he's not a First Teamer? That doesn't make sense, especially since the Jazz and Hornets both have comparable records to the Bulls.

I really don't think one award should be relative to the other. Here's the difference between MVP and All NBA First team though, one depicts how important you are to your team while the other clearly shows who the best guard is. I hope I'm making sense here...

 

And let's all remember, even before Boozer came back from his injury (even when he was back he had some recovery to deal with), the Bulls were a top team in the East with a respectable 9-5 record (Lost to Boston by 5 in OT). Rose has been one major constant for that Bulls team, with Deng slowly progressing the last few weeks (he's benefitted tremendously since Carlos' return). I know his efficiency stats aren't exactly spectacular, but at the end of the day, he makes winning plays and has been fantastic in crunch time. I can live with some of the problems he has (lack of FTA, turnover prone, shoots too much at times) as long as they're winning. I say he deserves the hype he's getting this season.

 

But as I've stated before in this thread, CP3 is having an outstanding season despite dealing with some lingering injuries. He's the second best defender amongst starting PG's and statistically is having a phenomenal year. And while the Hornets maintain a good enough record to keep him in the MVP discussion, I don't believe they will win more games than the Bulls.

 

But I can understand why you didn't give the MVP to Rose, I don't think an MVP has ever been on the All NBA second team, I just wanted to point out it's logical...somewhat.

[Nitro]

I'm not sure how that makes sense if he's doing everything better than they are, by the numbers (other than actually PPG, of course).

 

It's a 7-9PPG difference, though, and he's not carrying the same load they are. He's not been as assertive and overall dominant as they have been.

 

Not worth much because neither has the support from their teammates like Deron Williams does. Maybe if Boozer and Noah were healthy, I'd re-consider.

 

So...if you say Williams belongs on the first team, why didn't you consider Williams as the MVP, yet you considered Rose? The Jazz are almost as good as Chicago, and they are in a tougher conference...and you gave me the list of games yourself.

 

I never said I didn't consider Williams. But Rose pops into everyone's head immediately because of the blistering pace he's been playing at lately, but if you look at overall body of work, he's not the MVP. I think he's been getting a little more hype than he deserves. Personally, as I acknowledged before, I think LeBron is the MVP. He's the best player in the league playing on one of the best teams, he's still putting up stellar numbers, his defense has been suffocating, etc...

[Nitro]

I really don't think one award should be relative to the other. Here's the difference between MVP and All NBA First team though, one depicts how important you are to your team while the other clearly shows who the best guard is. I hope I'm making sense here...

 

That's my issue, I do think they are relative. If you aren't even the best player at your position, which isn't the strongest position in the league, then I can't see how you can award that person the MVP (especially since the best player in the NBA is still putting up stellar numbers on a top 3 team in the league).

[AboveLegit]

That's my issue, I do think they are relative. If you aren't even the best player at your position, which isn't the strongest position in the league, then I can't see how you can award that person the MVP (especially since the best player in the NBA is still putting up stellar numbers on a top 3 team in the league).

The same reason why Steve Nash won the award twice, Charles won it over MJ in '93, and why Iverson won in 2001. They were all more valuable to their teams than their runner ups. I guess the Nash example isn't the best one out there since I too disagree with the award, but whatever.

 

And the PG position is arguably the strongest in the league right now.

[Legacy]

MVP: Derrick Rose

Coach of the Year: Gregg Popovich

Defensive Player of the Year: Kevin Garnett

Most Improved: Kevin Love

6th man: Lamar Odom

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Vince Carter

Biggest Surprise (player or team): New York Knicks

 

First League All-Team:

C: Dwight Howard

F: Kevin Durant

F: LeBron James

G: Kobe Bryant

G: Derrick Rose

 

Finals Guess: Lakers 4 Celtics 2

Edited January 20, 2011 by Legacy

[*Swish*]

MVP: Derrick Rose

Coach of the Year: Gregg Popovitch

Defensive Player of the Year: Dwight Howard

Most Improved: Nick Young

6th man: Leandro Barbos

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Wizards/Blatche

Biggest Surprise (player or team): Spurs

 

First League All-Team:

C: Dwight Howard

PF: Blake Griffin

SF: LeBron James

SG: Kobe Bryant

PG: Derrick Rose

 

Finals Guess:

 

Miami vs La

[Nitro]

The same reason why Steve Nash won the award twice, Charles won it over MJ in '93, and why Iverson won in 2001. They were all more valuable to their teams than their runner ups. I guess the Nash example isn't the best one out there since I too disagree with the award, but whatever.

 

The Suns had the best record in the league when Charles won the MVP, while putting up awesome numbers. Nash was a similar case, and in 2005-2006 he was without Amare the entire season and still led that team farther than these Bulls will go. Right now the Bulls have the 5th best record in the league; it's not like the Bulls are on pace for 60+ wins.

 

If Rose wins, it will be a mini-Iverson situation, which was a disgrace. It won't be as bad as the year Iverson won, but I think it'd still be a mistake.

 

And the PG position is arguably the strongest in the league right now.

 

I worded it wrong. By that I meant the 2 best players in the game are not a PG, they are at SG (Kobe or Wade) and SF (LeBron). CP3 is at best the 4th best player in the league, and Rose is not a better player than him either. So, that would mean that a non-top 5 player, who didn't win his team 60+ games, will get the MVP award...does that seem right to you?

[Cleveland's Finest]

MVP: Derrick Rose

Coach of the Year: Gregg Popovich

Defensive Player of the Year: Dwight Howard

Most Improved: Raymond Felton

6th man: Jason Terry

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Cavs

Biggest Surprise (player or team): George Neal

 

First League All-Team:

C: Dwight Howard

PF: Dirk Nowitzki

SF: Kevin Durant

SG: Kobe Bryant

PG: Derrick Rose

 

Finals Guess:

 

Spurs over Heat in 6

[Erick Blasco]

MVP: LeBron James

Coach of the Year: Doc Rivers

Defensive Player of the Year: Dwight Howard (with strong consideration to Luol Deng)

Most Improved Player: Wilson Chandler

6th Man: Glen Davis

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Most Disappointing Player: O.J. Mayo

Most Disappointing Team: Cleveland Cavs Who would have thought they'd be this gutless? Milwaukee is a close second

 

Most Surprising Player: DeShawn Stevenson

Most Surprising Team: Dallas Mavericks (when they were healthy)

 

All-NBA First Team

 

C: Dwight Howard

PF: Dirk Nowitzki

SF: LeBron James

SG: Kobe Bryant

PG: Deron Williams

 

 

Finals Guess:

 

Lakers over Celtics in 7

Edited January 20, 2011 by Erick Blasco

[NomarFachix]

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Amare + New York Knicks

 

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[Flash]

MVP: Derrick Rose

Coach of the Year: Erik Spoelstra

Defensive Player of the Year: Dwight Howard

Most Improved: Michael Beasley

6th man: Lamar Odom

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Tyreke/Jennings

Biggest Surprise (player or team): Spurs

 

First League All-Team:

C: Dwight Howard

F: Kevin Durant

F: LeBron James

G: Dwyane Wade

G: Derrick Rose

 

Finals guess:

 

Heat vs. Lakers (Heat in 6)

Edited January 20, 2011 by Flash

[ChosenOne]

MVP: Derrick Rose

Coach of the Year: Gregg Popavich

Defensive Player of the Year: Dwight Howard

Most Improved: Kevin Love

6th man: Jamal Crawford

Rookie of the Year: Blake Griffin

 

Biggest Disappointment (player or team): Tryeke Evans

Biggest Surprise (player or team): San Antonio Spurs

 

First League All-Team:

C: Dwight Howard

PF: Amare Stoudemire

SF: LeBron James

SG: Dwyane Wade

PG: Derrick Rose

 

Finals Guess:

 

Celtics vs. Lakers (Lakers win in 7)