Dash Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Warning: long article and is not meant for the weak hearted PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A doctor whose abortion clinic was described as a filthy, foul-smelling "house of horrors" that was overlooked by regulators for years was charged Wednesday with murder, accused of delivering seven babies alive and then using scissors to kill them.Dr. Kermit Gosnell was also charged with murder in the death of a woman who suffered an overdose of painkillers while awaiting an abortion. In a nearly 300-page grand jury report filled with ghastly, stomach-turning detail, prosecutors said Pennsylvania regulators ignored complaints of barbaric conditions at Gosnell's clinic, which catered to poor, immigrant and minority women in the city's impoverished West Philadelphia section. Prosecutors called the case a "complete regulatory collapse." "Pennsylvania is not a Third World country," the district attorney's office declared in the report. "There were several oversight agencies that stumbled upon and should have shut down Kermit Gosnell long ago." Gosnell, 69, was arrested and charged with eight counts of murder in all. Nine of Gosnell's employees — including his wife, a cosmetologist who authorities say performed abortions — also were charged. Prosecutors said Gosnell made millions of dollars over three decades performing thousands of dangerous abortions, many of them illegal late-term procedures. His clinic had no trained nurses or medical staff other than Gosnell, a family physician not certified in obstetrics or gynecology, prosecutors said. At least two women died from the procedures, while scores more suffered perforated bowels, cervixes and uteruses, authorities said. Under Pennsylvania law, abortions are illegal after 24 weeks of pregnancy, or just under six months, and most doctors won't perform them after 20 weeks because of the risks, prosecutors said. In a typical late-term abortion, the fetus is dismembered in the uterus and then removed in pieces. That is more common than the procedure opponents call "partial-birth abortion," in which the fetus is partially extracted before being destroyed. Prosecutors said Gosnell instead delivered many of the babies alive. He "induced labor, forced the live birth of viable babies in the sixth, seventh, eighth month of pregnancy and then killed those babies by cutting into the back of the neck with scissors and severing their spinal cord," District Attorney Seth Williams said. Gosnell referred to it as "snipping," prosecutors said. Prosecutors estimated Gosnell ended hundreds of pregnancies by cutting the spinal cords, but they said they couldn't prosecute more cases because he destroyed files. "These killings became so routine that no one could put an exact number on them," the grand jury report said. "They were considered 'standard procedure.'" Defense attorney William J. Brennan, who represented Gosnell during the investigation, said: "Obviously, these allegations are very, very serious." The grand jury report came out a day after new Republican Gov. Tom Corbett took office. Spokesman Kevin Harley pledged that Corbett's administration, through his new health secretary, would do more to oversee such clinics. "What needs to be done is regulators, whether on the local or state or federal level, need to properly regulate, inspect and do their jobs," Harley said. "The safety of our citizens should be first and foremost." Authorities raided Gosnell's clinic early last year in search of drug violations and stumbled upon "a house of horrors," Williams said. Bags and bottles holding aborted fetuses "were scattered throughout the building," the district attorney said. "There were jars, lining shelves, with severed feet that he kept for no medical purpose." Prosecutors said the place reeked of cat urine because of the animals that were allowed to roam freely, furniture and blankets were stained with blood, instruments were not properly sterilized, and disposable medical supplies were used over and over. Gosnell didn't advertise, but word got around. Women came from across the city, state and region for illegal late-term abortions, authorities said. They paid $325 for first-trimester abortions and $1,600 to $3,000 for abortions up to 30 weeks. The clinic took in $10,000 to $15,000 a day, authorities said. "People knew near and far that if you needed a late-term abortion you could go see Dr. Gosnell," Williams said. White women from the suburbs were ushered into a separate, slightly cleaner area because Gosnell believed they were more likely to file complaints, Williams said. Few if any of the sedated patients knew their babies had been delivered alive and then killed, prosecutors said. Many were first-time mothers who were told they were 24 weeks pregnant, even if they were much further along, authorities said.Prosecutors said Gosnell falsified the ultrasound examinations that determine how far along a pregnancy is, teaching his staff to hold the probe in such a way that the fetus would look smaller. Gosnell sometimes joked about the babies, saying one was so large he could "walk me to the bus stop," according to the report. State regulators ignored complaints about Gosnell and the 46 lawsuits filed against him, and made just five annual inspections, most satisfactory, since the clinic opened in 1979, authorities said. The inspections stopped completely in 1993 because of what prosecutors said was the pro-abortion rights attitude that set in after Democratic Gov. Robert Casey, an abortion foe, left office. Williams accused state Health Department officials of "utter disregard" for the safety of women undergoing abortion, and said the testimony of agency officials "enraged" the grand jury. But he said he could find no criminal offenses with which they could be charged, in part because too much time has elapsed. "These officials were far more protective of themselves when they testified before the grand jury. Even (Health Department) lawyers, including the chief counsel, brought private attorneys with them — presumably at government expense," the report said. The state's reluctance to investigate, under several administrations, may stem partly from the sensitivity of the abortion debate, Williams said. Nonetheless, he called Gosnell's conduct a clear case of murder. "A doctor who with scissors cuts into the necks, severing the spinal cords of living, breathing babies who would survive with proper medical attention commits murder under the law," he said. "Regardless of one's feelings about abortion, whatever one's beliefs, that is the law." Four clinic employees were also charged with murder, and five more, including Gosnell's wife, Pearl, with conspiracy, drug and other crimes. All were in custody. Gosnell's wife performed extremely late-term abortions on Sundays, the report said. One of the murder charges against Gosnell involves a woman seeking an abortion, Karnamaya Mongar, who authorities said died in 2009 because she was given too much of the painkiller Demerol and other drugs. Gosnell wasn't at the clinic at the time. His staff administered the drugs repeatedly as they waited for him to arrive at night, as was his custom, the grand jury found. Mongar and her husband, Ash, had fled their native Bhutan and spent nearly 20 years in camps in Nepal. They had three children. A man who answered the phone Wednesday at a listing for Ash Mongar in Virginia did not speak English, while their daughter did not immediately return a message. The malpractice suits filed against Gosnell include one over the death of a 22-year-old Philadelphia woman, a mother of two, who died of a bloodstream infection and a perforated uterus in 2000. Gosnell sometimes sewed up such injuries without telling the women about the complications, prosecutors said. Gosnell earned his medical degree from Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia and is board certified in family practice. He started, but did not finish, a residency in obstetrics-gynecology, authorities said. Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore said: "He does not know how to do an abortion. Once he got them there, he saw dollar signs and did abortions that other people wouldn't do." http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-abortion-clinic-investigation,0,473036,full.story This had to be one of the most sickening and disgusting thing I've ever read, what is worse is that he probably committed hundreds of more murders we don't know about. This man and his employers deserve nothing but the most painful way to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutrojan8 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Obvious conservative is obvious I don't think he should be tortured or anything. He certainly took it too far, and I think he should be punished for the severity of his crimes, but not killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Obvious conservative is obvious I don't think he should be tortured or anything. He certainly took it too far, and I think he should be punished for the severity of his crimes, but not killed. He killed seven living babies, possibly many more. Liberal by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutrojan8 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 He killed seven living babies, possibly many more. Liberal by the way. Yeah ha. I can definitely see how someone would think he should be put to death, but I'm pretty hardcore liberal so I don't see anything wrong with the idea of abortion. Like I said, he just took it too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Anyone who still supports the death penalty needs to do some research on the topic. I was split on my views concerning capital punishment in the United States until I wrote a 10 page research paper on the topic last semester. The death penalty's cons far outweigh the pros. I can post the paper if someone is interested but I doubt any of you will sit there and actually read it. This guy deserves life in prison with no possibility of parole, not the death penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 lol Conservative or Liberal he was still extremely inhumane about the way he went about his business. Reusing medical supplies, the completely unsterilized working conditions, god it just goes on in on, how horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Anyone who still supports the death penalty needs to do some research on the topic. I was split on my views concerning capital punishment in the United States until I wrote a 10 page research paper on the topic last semester. The death penalty's cons far outweigh the pros. I can post the paper if someone is interested but I doubt any of you will sit there and actually read it. This guy deserves life in prison with no possibility of parole, not the death penalty.I'll read it, go ahead and post it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yeah ha. I can definitely see how someone would think he should be put to death, but I'm pretty hardcore liberal so I don't see anything wrong with the idea of abortion. Like I said, he just took it too far.This isn't abortion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 I support Aborshun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deestillballin Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 This is why we need the torture chamber.. i dont want to waste my money on life in prison, death is to easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 This is why we need the torture chamber.. i dont want to waste my money on life in prison, death is to easy. I wouldn't mind seeing people in some of the inventions that Jigsaw made in the movie Saw used on some sick people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 21, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 I think he should be sent to prison and forced to have "baby killer" tattooed to his forehead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 By torturing him, we would be no better than he is. I agree with guru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 This is why we need the torture chamber.. i dont want to waste my money on life in prison, death is to easy.You are very misinformed. Yes, death is easy but that is simply not how our judicial system works these days. Statistics show that in most cases, it is a lot more expensive to kill a death row inmate than it is to have him sit there for the rest of his life. If we were still hanging our inmates without multiple trials, than yes death would be cheaper but in the world we live in today it is actually more expensive. And at the end of the day, most Americans just care about their money. Another reason why it is amazing that the death penalty has not been abolished in the USA yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 21, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 You are very misinformed. Yes, death is easy but that is simply not how our judicial system works these days. Statistics show that in most cases, it is a lot more expensive to kill a death row inmate than it is to have him sit there for the rest of his life. If we were still hanging our inmates without multiple trials, than yes death would be cheaper but in the world we live in today it is actually more expensive. And at the end of the day, most Americans just care about their money. Another reason why it is amazing that the death penalty has not been abolished in the USA yet.I just find it hard to believe that a three-shot lethal injection (especially considering what they contain) is more expensive than the money spent on food, education, clothing, and everything else a prisoner could be using for the rest of his life in that cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) I just find it hard to believe that a three-shot lethal injection (especially considering what they contain) is more expensive than the money spent on food, education, clothing, and everything else a prisoner could be using for the rest of his life in that cell.http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42 Hard to believe maybe, but facts are facts. Also, the thing is that it is not just "a three shot injection". You are disregarding the costs of trials, appeals, security etc. on death row. Edited January 21, 2011 by Guru™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42 Hard to believe maybe, but facts are facts. Also, the thing is that it is not just "a three shot injection". You are disregarding the costs of trials, appeals, security etc. on death row. They should quickly kill people for admitting to the crime or if they get caught on video tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 They should quickly kill people for admitting to the crime or if they get caught on video tape.Yeah that would work, too bad our justice system has shifted toward more of a humane approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 “We cannot or do not "retaliate" in literal kind for most crimes--how would you "retaliate" for rape or fraud or assault?--and therefore it is unprincipled to say we ought to retaliate in kind for murder” (Schwarzschild). “Good societies do not hang people, do not torture people, and in select key areas, they allow their values to take precedence over all other considerations. After all, if our legal system followed the cost-benefit analysis of economics, we would shoot all young, first-time offenders -- because we know they are very likely to offend again” (Goldstein). “Shooting a person because he shot a person to death – to deter others from shooting people – is faulty reasoning” (Wood). “It was as if the punishment was thought to equal, if not to exceed, in savagery the crime itself… to make the executioner resemble a criminal, judges murderers, to reverse roles at the last moment to make the tortured criminal an object of pity or admiration”(Foucault 9). “approximately two-thirds of the world’s countries have abolished the death penalty” (Schabas 93). Just some interesting quotes to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 “We cannot or do not "retaliate" in literal kind for most crimes--how would you "retaliate" for rape or fraud or assault?--and therefore it is unprincipled to say we ought to retaliate in kind for murder” (Schwarzschild). “Good societies do not hang people, do not torture people, and in select key areas, they allow their values to take precedence over all other considerations. After all, if our legal system followed the cost-benefit analysis of economics, we would shoot all young, first-time offenders -- because we know they are very likely to offend again” (Goldstein). “Shooting a person because he shot a person to death – to deter others from shooting people – is faulty reasoning” (Wood). “It was as if the punishment was thought to equal, if not to exceed, in savagery the crime itself… to make the executioner resemble a criminal, judges murderers, to reverse roles at the last moment to make the tortured criminal an object of pity or admiration”(Foucault 9). “approximately two-thirds of the world’s countries have abolished the death penalty” (Schabas 93). Just some interesting quotes to think about. How about this quote. Why should someone live when they are a burden on society? I made the quote up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 put me in a cell with him, i bet I can rape him b4 he kills me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 How about this quote. Why should someone live when they are a burden on society? I made the quote up But you can eliminate him from "society" without killing him. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 21, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42 Hard to believe maybe, but facts are facts. Also, the thing is that it is not just "a three shot injection". You are disregarding the costs of trials, appeals, security etc. on death row.Those numbers are ridiculous (meaning, they shouldn't be that high, not that they are false). If someone is found guilty, with clear evidence, or he/she admits to the crime, and the death penalty is the "sentence" they receive, it should be done...no more BS along the way. The trials are going to happen, regardless. I have a friend that was murdered in Kansas City a couple of years back. They are still doing trials for the three that did it, and the main guy is serving 50 years. A lot of unnecessary money to prove something that is obvious and, basically, already proven and admitted to. The system is screwed up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Anyone who still supports the death penalty needs to do some research on the topic. I was split on my views concerning capital punishment in the United States until I wrote a 10 page research paper on the topic last semester. The death penalty's cons far outweigh the pros. I can post the paper if someone is interested but I doubt any of you will sit there and actually read it. This guy deserves life in prison with no possibility of parole, not the death penalty. I'd love to see that paper because I used to support the view you have on the death penalty, but my view has changed .I did a big project on it this semester, and the pro's far outweigh the cons, and it's really not even close. Edited January 21, 2011 by EastCoastNiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) I'd love to see that paper because I used to support the view you have on the death penalty, but my view has changed .I did a big project on it this semester, and the pro's far outweigh the cons, and it's really not even close.The pro's outweigh the con's? What pro's are there besides retribution? Deterrence statistics have been proven multiple times to be false. The cons by far outweigh the pros; cost, the possibility of an innocent death (yes it has occurred in the past look up Cameron Todd Willingham and who is to say that the victim's family even wants the murderer to be killed maybe they just want him to rot in jail for the rest of his life. Edited January 21, 2011 by Guru™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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