Jay Cutler's injury...

[Lkr]

Yes becuase it's not like Cutler didn't just dominate the Seahawks last week in the first playoff game of his career. Volek led a comeback drive to upset the Colts the previous week, I don't see how you can say the Chargers would have had no chance.

The Patriots defense wasn't as bad as the Colts defense that year. The Colts also had a chance to win it, but Peyton couldn't put anything together.

Brady had 3 picks in that game as well, but his 2 TDs certainly helped them

[reno]

Professional athletes are ripping him a new one, the same pro athletes that have played injured before. You, me, or anyone on OTR doesn't need to say a damn thing about it, in that case, because obviously, we aren't professional athletes and we don't know.

 

I haven't heard a single person defend him yet, other than his teammates and some of you guys. When pro athletes, who should know best, are slamming the dude, it speaks volumes.

 

Maybe he should've been sitting on the sidelines, instead of standing up the entire time and moving around, acting like a backup QB that was watching the starter fight through a tough game.

 

If he was really hurt, and if he couldn't come back in, he [expletive]ed up with his body language, and it's still his fault. No sympathy towards him, whatsoever.

 

Warren Sapp, BJ RAJI, another packer, Jim Rome, Colin Cowherd who says he doesn't even like Jay as a quarterback, Josh Freeman, Drew Brees, Ditka, to name a few.

 

 

Warren Sapp, NFL Network

"Do me a favor Chicago ... Don't do what Josh McDaniels did and be stupid enough to question whether Cutler wants to be your quarterback. Last time I checked, they haven't had a quarterback since Sid Luckman! I can't even name the guys since Jim McMahon.

 

And for the guys on Twitter criticizing Cutler ... none of those guys have a ring. Darnell Dockett ... did he even play this year? MJD missed two games at the end of the year with a knee injury while the Jaguars were trying to win their first AFC South title. C'Mon.

 

ALSO, SKIP BAYLESS was fired up too. "

 

 

"He’s tremendously tough, tremendously bright and tremendously talented.

 

How many games has he missed in his career due to injury? One. What prerequisite do we have to gauge that he somehow tapped out against the Packers? In his five NFL seasons, we haven’t seen anything to suggest that. So when he does leave a game, how does the snap judgement swing to the extreme that he’s not tough enough?

 

Everything we do know about Cutler suggests that he is plenty tough.

 

As for the current players who took shots at Cutler, they are over-reacting just like fans, making the exact same mistake they often criticize the media of making. Maybe it’s where social networking comes into play. Who wants to take the time to wait for his test results to come back before weighing in? No one wanted to wait to see if Cutler was really hurt or to what extent he was hurt.

 

There are some who have been spending time talking about Cutler’s body language on the sideline. Well, what did it say? How was it translated? That’s a subjective matter that any two people can read very differently. If you can read his body language and come away with an accurate depiction of how Cutler really felt, you should have a different job. No one should be pontificating based on what they thought Cutler’s body language said, as if they were going to be accurate. I think it’s careless. You’re taking that critique to a place where it’s based on frivolous information that doesn’t hold any substance."

 

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/24/cutler-should-have-been-given-benefit-of-the-doubt/?module=HP_cp2

[Lkr]

at least Grossman's will was never questioned by anyone

[ballorama]

Give me a break.. we DONT know how injured his knee was.. we can only make assumptions. Cutler isn't a pansy.. the guy got sacked i believe 50+ times this year?

 

I also find it ridic. that we are still talking about this when the Bears season is over..

[fish7718]

Give me a break.. we DONT know how injured his knee was.. we can only make assumptions. Cutler isn't a pansy.. the guy got sacked i believe 50+ times this year?

 

I also find it ridic. that we are still talking about this when the Bears season is over..

Good point, was sacked like 10+ more times than any other QB this year, and he got knocked out a game with a concussion.

[Guru]

Good point, was sacked like 10+ more times than any other QB this year, and he got knocked out a game with a concussion.

I wonder what game that was. :glasses:

[Real Deal]

The point was that he didn't even make the attempt to fix the knee. He didn't know he had a tear. A Grade I feels the same as a Grade II (quoting the doctor that diagnosed my brother with a Grade II). He didn't try on a brace, didn't ice the knee, didn't wrap it up, didn't sit down and try to relieve it of any pressure whatsoever. He stood up the entire game. He didn't limp much on the sidelines. He was smiling, at one point. He had no idea when he even suffered the injury.

 

Third and fourth quarter, had nobody said a word about an injury, you would've never guessed. He sat down for a bit, had someone talk to him and look at it, then he was right back up after the half, standing around, walking, on what is supposedly a Grade II knee sprain with about 230+ pounds on it.

 

I've never had a G-1 sprain, but I did have a moderate G-2 ankle sprain that I played ball on when I was a sophomore (and I sat and hurt when I wasn't playing, mainly due to no adrenaline), and I also had a G-3 ankle sprain + fracture that kept me from playing ball for the rest of my time in high school. I definitely know the difference between the two.

 

The Bears had a better chance to win the game with him out? Not with Collins at QB, and nobody here, or anywhere, would've predicted Caleb Hanie would've come in to score all of their points. Once Cutler left the game, the idea was that the Bears wouldn't even get to the 50 for the rest of the game.

 

Cutler had no idea he had a tear. If he knew immediately, it's a different story. When a doctor says, "It's a good thing he didn't play, he could've tore his ACL," that's irrelevant to Cutler's demeanor because he had no idea what was going on in that knee.

 

If Cutler knew he had an MCL tear, he would've sat his ass down and remained in his seat for the entire game. Because he didn't know, what kept him out? The pain? Not enough pain to keep him seated, so that's all I need to know.

 

Not much more to say, really. Pain kept him out of the game, but kept him standing. He didn't know he had a tear. Big Ben would've been out there, even if he sucked in the process. Polamalu missing regular season games doesn't mean much to me, about like Dwyane Wade missing regular season games with his migraines. No reason to try and compare the two. Different strokes, I suppose. I know where Cutler stands.

[reno]

The point was that he didn't even make the attempt to fix the knee. He didn't know he had a tear. A Grade I feels the same as a Grade II (quoting the doctor that diagnosed my brother with a Grade II). He didn't try on a brace, didn't ice the knee, didn't wrap it up, didn't sit down and try to relieve it of any pressure whatsoever. He stood up the entire game. He didn't limp much on the sidelines. He was smiling, at one point. He had no idea when he even suffered the injury.

 

Third and fourth quarter, had nobody said a word about an injury, you would've never guessed. He sat down for a bit, had someone talk to him and look at it, then he was right back up after the half, standing around, walking, on what is supposedly a Grade II knee sprain with about 230+ pounds on it.

 

I've never had a G-1 sprain, but I did have a moderate G-2 ankle sprain that I played ball on when I was a sophomore (and I sat and hurt when I wasn't playing, mainly due to no adrenaline), and I also had a G-3 ankle sprain + fracture that kept me from playing ball for the rest of my time in high school. I definitely know the difference between the two.

 

The Bears had a better chance to win the game with him out? Not with Collins at QB, and nobody here, or anywhere, would've predicted Caleb Hanie would've come in to score all of their points. Once Cutler left the game, the idea was that the Bears wouldn't even get to the 50 for the rest of the game.

 

Cutler had no idea he had a tear. If he knew immediately, it's a different story. When a doctor says, "It's a good thing he didn't play, he could've tore his ACL," that's irrelevant to Cutler's demeanor because he had no idea what was going on in that knee.

 

If Cutler knew he had an MCL tear, he would've sat his [expletive] down and remained in his seat for the entire game. Because he didn't know, what kept him out? The pain? Not enough pain to keep him seated, so that's all I need to know.

 

Not much more to say, really. Pain kept him out of the game, but kept him standing. He didn't know he had a tear. Big Ben would've been out there, even if he sucked in the process. Polamalu missing regular season games doesn't mean much to me, about like Dwyane Wade missing regular season games with his migraines. No reason to try and compare the two. Different strokes, I suppose. I know where Cutler stands.

 

Cause they dont keep knee braces out on our sideline. Whats there to know? He couldn't plant his foot and his knee was wobbling as he approached the huddle. He tried to play and couldn't, he was a liability and coaches made the decision to keep him out of the game, its as simple as that. Ok, polamalu doesn't matter, what about Hines ward in the playoffs? What about Philip rivers? I guess any other player does not matter, unless its jay cutler? Cause for whatever reason, cutler is the cause of every mankind's problems.

 

Oh and for Jay Cutler able to walk around on the sideline, maybe you can recall a defensive tackle named Jenkins, he tore his ACL, and missed the whole year but walked off the field fine.

[Nitro]

The point was that he didn't even make the attempt to fix the knee. He didn't know he had a tear. A Grade I feels the same as a Grade II (quoting the doctor that diagnosed my brother with a Grade II). He didn't try on a brace, didn't ice the knee, didn't wrap it up, didn't sit down and try to relieve it of any pressure whatsoever. He stood up the entire game. He didn't limp much on the sidelines. He was smiling, at one point. He had no idea when he even suffered the injury.

 

You saw maybe a few clips of Cutler on the sidelines the entire 2nd half, so you have no idea what they did to treat the injury. I highly, highly doubt the training staff didn't try to treat the injury, especially during an NFC Championship game. If they thought it was an injury that didn't even require ice, he would have been back on the field, or the coaching staff/team would have ripped him apart in the post-game, even if it was done anonymously. That wasn't the case.

 

If Cutler knew he had an MCL tear, he would've sat his [expletive] down and remained in his seat for the entire game. Because he didn't know, what kept him out? The pain? Not enough pain to keep him seated, so that's all I need to know.

 

Just being able to stand and being able to play QB in THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE(!!!) are 2 very different things. There is a reason why if the Bears had won he would have been a game-time decision for the Super Bowl. I'm sorry, but your silly comparisons with you and your brother playing with similar injuries in high school basketball/pickup basketball have no relevance. Football is an entirely different animal, and we're talking about playing on a pro-level here. Not to mention playing against a really tough defense behind arguably the worst offensive line in the league.

[Lkr]

In all honesty, I think Cutler has Walter Payton to blame for the hate Bears fans are giving him. Why? Because Payton set a precedent for toughness for Bears fans. Every Bears player has to live up to that precedent in their eyes. If you don't care about Real's stories in basketball, listen to former and current NFL PLAYERS who have said that he is a wimp. Philip Rivers played through worse. They lost the game. You know what that told his team? He cares too much about the team to not play despite losing. He cemented himself as the full leader of that team, and LT was officially out on a leadership stand point after sitting out the game after 3 plays.

[Lkr]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Jay-Cuntler/161067570610530?v=wall

[Real Deal]

You saw maybe a few clips of Cutler on the sidelines the entire 2nd half, so you have no idea what they did to treat the injury. I highly, highly doubt the training staff didn't try to treat the injury, especially during an NFC Championship game. If they thought it was an injury that didn't even require ice, he would have been back on the field, or the coaching staff/team would have ripped him apart in the post-game, even if it was done anonymously. That wasn't the case.

Haha, you actually think his own team would've ripped him apart in the post game?

 

And I saw a few clips of him on the sidelines. There were football analysts at the game that saw more, and say he wasn't receiving treatment. Not sure what to tell you.

 

Just being able to stand and being able to play QB in THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE(!!!) are 2 very different things. There is a reason why if the Bears had won he would have been a game-time decision for the Super Bowl. I'm sorry, but your silly comparisons with you and your brother playing with similar injuries in high school basketball/pickup basketball have no relevance. Football is an entirely different animal, and we're talking about playing on a pro-level here. Not to mention playing against a really tough defense behind arguably the worst offensive line in the league.

You don't seem to get it. If the Grade II sprain is so bad, if it changes your mobility and ruins your balance so much, it would be keeping everyone off their feet, doesn't matter if it's some pro athlete or some irrelevant scum of the Earth that I've become just because I'm blasting Cutler.

 

Pro level doesn't mean jack [expletive], dude. He runs, I run, you run...on an MCL. If the fear was that he was going to get destroyed on another sack, that's a different story...but guess what? He didn't know anything about his knee.

 

Adrenaline makes you do stupid things. It would've been dumb for him to come back in. However, athletes do it because they have that hunger to win. Jay Cutler was already getting his ass kicked, and so was his team. He walked, normally, back to the sidelines and didn't even know when he hurt his knee. Give me a break. That's ridiculous. You know damn well when you suffer a tear. I've felt it, my brother felt it, and it doesn't matter if you're Jay Cutler, Troy Polamalu, or some lazy 13-year old kid bending down to grab a chip he dropped on the floor...doesn't matter if it's pro football or tetherball, you know when you suffer a tear.

 

Defend that any way you wish, but you're wrong.

 

So, when the player doesn't know when he tore his MCL, and he's standing around and not sitting or acting concerned, and it happened after he was getting his ass kicked, and he didn't want to be a Bronco because he was getting his ass kicked in Denver (couldn't care less what they say about the offensive overhaul, he was only there for 2 1/2 seasons' worth of games)...it's pretty obvious that people have a right to question him.

 

Either way, I'm done talking about the dude. The Bears wouldn't have scored a point with him in, healthy or not. If I have no idea what he was feeling, and pro athletes have no idea what he was feeling, everyone should just STFU and stop defending him or bashing him, I guess, and we have nothing to talk about at the end of the day. Cutler lost a lot of respect, from me and from a lot of people around the league and even in his own fanbase, and there's nothing anyone can do about it now. He's a grown man making millions of dollars a year...he can prove his toughness next year if he wants to change things. He doesn't need random fans and teammates sticking up for him.

[Nitro]

Haha, you actually think his own team would've ripped him apart in the post game?

 

And I saw a few clips of him on the sidelines. There were football analysts at the game that saw more, and say he wasn't receiving treatment. Not sure what to tell you.

 

If they thought it wasn't a serious enough injury to require ice in an NFC Championship game, then something would have come out from the Bear camp, whether it be straight-forwardly or annonymously, bashing Cutler. And I clearly remember him trying to ride the bike, so obviously there was treatment involved. The Bears wouldn't neglect their FRANCHISE QB treatment in the most important game of the season. If you seriously believe that, then you're just being foolish.

 

You don't seem to get it. If the Grade II sprain is so bad, if it changes your mobility and ruins your balance so much, it would be keeping everyone off their feet, doesn't matter if it's some pro athlete or some irrelevant scum of the Earth that I've become just because I'm blasting Cutler.

 

Pro level doesn't mean jack [expletive], dude. He runs, I run, you run...on an MCL. If the fear was that he was going to get destroyed on another sack, that's a different story...but guess what? He didn't know anything about his knee.

 

Adrenaline makes you do stupid things. It would've been dumb for him to come back in. However, athletes do it because they have that hunger to win. Jay Cutler was already getting his [expletive] kicked, and so was his team. He walked, normally, back to the sidelines and didn't even know when he hurt his knee. Give me a break. That's ridiculous. You know damn well when you suffer a tear. I've felt it, my brother felt it, and it doesn't matter if you're Jay Cutler, Troy Polamalu, or some lazy 13-year old kid bending down to grab a chip he dropped on the floor...doesn't matter if it's pro football or tetherball, you know when you suffer a tear.

 

Defend that any way you wish, but you're wrong.

 

So, when the player doesn't know when he tore his MCL, and he's standing around and not sitting or acting concerned, and it happened after he was getting his [expletive] kicked, and he didn't want to be a Bronco because he was getting his [expletive] kicked in Denver (couldn't care less what they say about the offensive overhaul, he was only there for 2 1/2 seasons' worth of games)...it's pretty obvious that people have a right to question him.

 

Either way, I'm done talking about the dude. The Bears wouldn't have scored a point with him in, healthy or not. If I have no idea what he was feeling, and pro athletes have no idea what he was feeling, everyone should just STFU and stop defending him or bashing him, I guess, and we have nothing to talk about at the end of the day. Cutler lost a lot of respect, from me and from a lot of people around the league and even in his own fanbase, and there's nothing anyone can do about it now. He's a grown man making millions of dollars a year...he can prove his toughness next year if he wants to change things. He doesn't need random fans and teammates sticking up for him.

 

He DID tear his MCL, and didn't know exactly when it happened, completely debunking your theory that you should know immediately if it's a tear or not. That DOES NOT matter. What does matter is that he felt the pain, and didn't think he was able to perform at the minimal level required to play in the game, and obviously the training staff concured. Basically, everyone agreed it was best he sat out, and the MRI confirmed that was the right decision. Football is a physical game, and in the NFL you have 300lbs guys coming at you at full-speed trying to take you down. Being able to stand, or even being able to jog/lightly run, doesn't mean you're good to go. If that was the case, there would be a lot more players playing on ankle sprains and similar injuries.

 

I can't believe your side of this arguement...it's absolutely ridiculous. Just because he didn't knock the coach out, ran back on the field and ran a few plays before eventually tearing his ACL doesn't mean he doesn't have a strong desire for the sport. And he certainly made the right decision staying off the field. No one knows your own body better than yourself, so the fact that he made the right decision based on the pain he felt, which was backed by the MRI showing a tear, means that he did nothing wrong....except he didn't put on a show on the sidelines displaying his high levels of testosterone, even though it wouldn't have changed anything the mattered, and if it did would have put him at a strong risk of suffering a very serious injury. That's what you wanted, right?

[Nitro]

In all honesty, I think Cutler has Walter Payton to blame for the hate Bears fans are giving him. Why? Because Payton set a precedent for toughness for Bears fans. Every Bears player has to live up to that precedent in their eyes. If you don't care about Real's stories in basketball, listen to former and current NFL PLAYERS who have said that he is a wimp. Philip Rivers played through worse. They lost the game. You know what that told his team? He cares too much about the team to not play despite losing. He cemented himself as the full leader of that team, and LT was officially out on a leadership stand point after sitting out the game after 3 plays.

 

And look at how many former players are half-retarded for playing through concussions, or can't get up in the morning because they played through injury and didn't let themselves heal.

 

Besides, as DBF said, one of the NFL's toughest players, Hines Ward, suffered the exact same injury and wasn't able to continue playing. That should be telling enough.

[fish7718]

Real, your theory is completely retarded, tired of getting his [expletive] kicked? HE'S BEEN GETTING HIS [expletive] KICKED ALL SEASON AND HE PLAYED ALL BUT 1 GAME THIS YEAR (which he was held out of because the NFL rules with concussions). So your saying after getting sacked 52 times this year he's gonna walk into the NFC championship game fall down 14 and say "that's it I'm tired of getting sacked I quit" sorry that's completely assanine. Anyone who has watched Jay Cutler knows there was something wrong with him. Say what you want about the kid he has one of the most talented arms in the NFL and he was missing simple throws, his problem has always been reading a defense and looking off coverages.

 

Philip Rivers plays, destroys his team chances of winning and is glorified.

 

Jay Cutler leaves the game, gives his team a chance to win, and is killed.

 

[expletive]ing stupid Americans for you.

[Lkr]

when did Hines Ward miss a big game? I can't remember.

Fish, you can't look me straight in the eye and say you'd take Volek over an injured Rivers.

[Nitro]

when did Hines Ward miss a big game? I can't remember.

 

When has he ever torn his MCL in a big game? What we do know is he did tear his MCL before in a game, and was forced to sit the rest of the game out. Try and twist that anyway you want.

[fish7718]

when did Hines Ward miss a big game? I can't remember.

Fish, you can't look me straight in the eye and say you'd take Volek over an injured Rivers.

No doubt, 100% I'd take 100% Billy Volek over torn ACL Phillip Rivers, what a joke of a comparison. Especially when you consider your putting your franchise player out there on 1 leg against some of the best pass rushers in the NFL, why risk his career like that?

[EastCoastNiner]

Where's Jemichael Finley and Ryan Grant? Are they pussies as well?

[fish7718]

Can I change my name to Prodigy=pansy ?

[Lkr]

Where's Jemichael Finley and Ryan Grant? Are they pussies as well?

hard to play when you've been in a cast and aren't in football condition. The injury Cutler suffered wasn't a season ender

[Real Deal]

He DID tear his MCL, and didn't know exactly when it happened, completely debunking your theory that you should know immediately if it's a tear or not.

Uh, that wasn't what I was getting to. He did know that he did SOMETHING to his knee, he just didn't want to admit he knew because the pain wasn't bad enough for him to quit playing at the time. He didn't have to be carted off the field, didn't need assistance at all.

 

He probably feared for his career. Cool. I'm glad Kobe Bryant isn't a pansy that decided to stop using his index finger to shoot a basketball 20 times a game when he suffered an avulsion tear, which needed immediate surgery. And, hell, that was in the regular season...and he came out with a championship at the end of it.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if it was really a Grade I sprain, to tell you the truth. It's not like he can get fined for calling it something else. His knee looked pretty damn mobile on his exercise bike, full range of motion on a knee that isn't supposed to have it after a Grade II sprain (you aren't supposed to be able to bend your knee that far in, regardless of the pain involved...it physically won't bend), and he sure didn't find his way to the bench for the rest of the game, either.

 

[expletive]ing stupid Americans for you.

Stop acting like you're related to Jay Cutler. You guys are acting like the dude is your cousin. If MJD was rambling on about Cutler to your faces, I'm sure none of you would be running your chops and calling him stupid.

 

None of you can prove anything, and neither can I, so all opinions are valid. I don't think he was in that much pain, at all...because he sure the hell didn't look like it, and he was standing around like he wasn't, with full range on his knee, and he never needed assistance to get off the field, never showed us the play he was injured on, and didn't know he had a tear in his MCL.

 

All things considered, nobody would be stupid for thinking he was pissed at his team/line, or that he looked for an excuse off the field because his knee "kinda hurt" him.

 

http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/topic/11471-lebron-could-have-torn-ligament-in-elbow

 

He had no idea...but he didn't care, and he's LeBron James. Shooting elbow, and he attacks the basket, and (gasp) it's in a professional sport.

 

I would love to know when Cutler suffered his MCL tear. Guess we'll never know, because he doesn't even know.

 

Hell, nobody can prove that he didn't do it 5-6 weeks ago...that's the best thing about all of this.

[NomarFachix]

Stop acting like you're related to Jay Cutler. You guys are acting like the dude is your cousin.

 

And you're acting like he took your lunch money in high school

 

Me personally, I'm defending him because he's so damn dreamy

 

http://i51.tinypic.com/14t5zib.jpg

 

That and he tore a ligament in his knee crucial to the game of football. But mostly the dreamy part.

[fish7718]

He probably feared for his career. Cool. I'm glad Kobe Bryant isn't a pansy that decided to stop using his index finger to shoot a basketball 20 times a game when he suffered an avulsion tear, which needed immediate surgery. And, hell, that was in the regular season...and he came out with a championship at the end of it.

Whats up with you and bringing completely unrelated things into this? If the tear was suverely affecting Kobe's play and it ended up costing them I'm sure you would feel completely different about this.

Stop acting like you're related to Jay Cutler. You guys are acting like the dude is your cousin. If MJD was rambling on about Cutler to your faces, I'm sure none of you would be running your chops and calling him stupid.

So to defend an athlete you have to be related to them? Are you related to Kobe Bryant? and completely false, I would call MJD stupid to his face for saying that [expletive].

[Nitro]

Uh, that wasn't what I was getting to. He did know that he did SOMETHING to his knee, he just didn't want to admit he knew because the pain wasn't bad enough for him to quit playing at the time. He didn't have to be carted off the field, didn't need assistance at all.

 

Neither did other players with similar injuries, such as Hines Ward. There are other players with simple injuries like ankle sprains that miss weeks. Not because they aren't tough or don't care, but because they simply couldn't play on a pro level with those injuries.

 

He probably feared for his career. Cool. I'm glad Kobe Bryant isn't a pansy that decided to stop using his index finger to shoot a basketball 20 times a game when he suffered an avulsion tear, which needed immediate surgery. And, hell, that was in the regular season...and he came out with a championship at the end of it.

 

Shooting a basketball 20x a game with a torn ligament in the finger doesn't even compare to being an NFL QB playing with a torn ligament in the knee. That's laughable. When Kobe plays with an MCL tear, then your analogy will have some more meaning. And even then, they are two completely different sports.