Guest N/A Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 http://espn.go.com/b...-in-crunch-time Kobe Bryant is 36 of 115 (31.3%) when Lakers trail by 1-2 pts or tied, in the final 24 secs, good for 25th in the L. Carmelo ranks 1st with 21 of 44 (47.7%) when Nuggets trail by 1-2 pts or tied, in the final 24 secs. Stats don't lie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 29, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Stats don't lie...So from 2009-present, Kobe is shooting 11-22 (50%) on those clutch shots... Guess he's the best clutch player over the last two years? Stats don't lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 So from 2009-present, Kobe is shooting 11-22 (50%) on those clutch shots... Guess he's the best clutch player over the last two years? Stats don't lie.I think the ... was because he was(I hope) being sarcastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 The thing about Abbot is that he's not saying Kobe isn't a great shooter in the clutch, but on a relative basis, he's just average. 31.1% isn't terrible, but only slightly above league average. The only two players who are actually "good" on this list in the clutch are Paul and Anthony according to his numbers. He does make some intelligent points, but it doesn't paint the whole picture. Clutch is much more that making shots in close games when your team is down 2. Clutch is also making the shot to stop a 2nd or 3rd quarter run, it's getting those shots in to put that team to rest halfway through the 4th. It's making the shots to get your team back in the game, even if another teammate makes the shot that puts your team in the lead. There's a lot more to it than just hitting a buzzer beater, and that's not presented in this article. He did mention that Kobe isn't the best guy to take the last shot throughout his career, but he seems to be focusing a lot more on events that have happened 5 years ago. Last year Kobe was great in the clutch and made a lot of buzzer beaters. Yeah, he hasn't been the best over his career (numbers don't lie in this instance), but it's ridiculous to say you don't want him in critical situations. The thing about this clutch talk is that we only seem to remember the good times. If you have followed Kobe the way RD or most Laker fans have, you'd be fooling yourself to say he doesn't take bad shots in the clutch, and has indeed missed the majority of them ('09 Finals being the most recent instance). Which in turn hurts his efficiency late in games as well as statistical value. You could say that he's forced to take these shots due to personnel or the fact that he won't settle for anything less than the last shot (due to his selfish nature). If you've seen most of his games throughout his career, you would say it's a healthy dose of both. And because of this, he will never be statistically great in this aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Excellent read regarding this topic. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Another-take-on-Kobe-Bryant-s-relative-clutchnes?urn=nba-313919 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 As Mr. Dwyer explained a little bit ago, this post by Henry Abbott on TrueHoop has taken our basketball corner of the Internet by storm Friday for claiming that Kobe Bryant(notes) is not as clutch as everyone thinks.Kelly Dwyer. What a suprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Excellent read regarding this topic. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Another-take-on-Kobe-Bryant-s-relative-clutchnes?urn=nba-313919 Only thing that bothers me about this article is that Kobe has been blessed with more talent around him than any superstar the past decade, so he's had far more opportunities to have those memorable career moments in playoff situations. The fact that he wins is a team accomplishment; Kobe plays like the superstar he is and the Lakers win like they are supposed to. However, a guy like LeBron has annually been a better individual clutch performer, has been a better post-season performer the last few seasons, yet is viewed as a choker because his teams haven't won championships. That is a faulty arguement to use pro-Kobe. When you counter individual stats with team accomplishments, then you are entering sketchy territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Only thing that bothers me about this article is that Kobe has been blessed with more talent around him than any superstar the past decade, so he's had far more opportunities to have those memorable career moments in playoff situations. The fact that he wins is a team accomplishment; Kobe plays like the superstar he is and the Lakers win like they are supposed to. However, a guy like LeBron has annually been a better individual clutch performer, has been a better post-season performer the last few seasons, yet is viewed as a choker because his teams haven't won championships. That is a faulty arguement to use pro-Kobe. When you counter individual stats with team accomplishments, then you are entering sketchy territory.You enter sketchy territory the second you decide to define "clutch". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Blasco Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 And much, much more... http://www.silverscr...ed-henry-abbott That's a really good response article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 You enter sketchy territory the second you decide to define "clutch". Agreed, but Abbot hits that term from a variety of 'accepted' ways...last possession with chance to tie or win game, last 5min when the game's within a certain reach, etc... I mean, if you want to compare him to a guy like LeBron, his individual post-season performances aren't exact mind-blowing either. He plays like a superstar and the Lakers win, just like they are supposed to. But, individually his level of clutchness is overstated, mainly because he's got so much talent mixed with killer instinct. However, at the same time, those Abbot stats do Kobe an injustice, like I said in my first post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 30, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Yeah, but it wasn't too long ago that Bryant was blasted for missing the playoffs, and then getting floored by the Suns in the first round...twice. People were railing him for it because, of course, he's the superstar...but they didn't realize the team was starting Odom and three of the worst possible players you can have (Kwame, Smush and Mihm/Walton). In addition to the garbage teammates, the offense wasn't built for Bryant. They had ditched the triangle in that first season without Shaq. Rudy Tomjanovich didn't want it, and Hamblen couldn't coach it (second half of the year, when Odom and Bryant were both hurt, which led to the piss poor record). Then, Phil basically ditched it for a couple of seasons because Kwame Brown had absolutely nothing going for him in our offense, and Odom was [expletive] as a ball-handler and playmaker, when most Lakers fans were thinking he was going to be the next Scottie. But, Bryant was the scapegoat. So, when LeBron James has shooters and defenders stacked around him, I don't feel too sorry for him because it's the perfect compliment for a player like him. LeBron didn't win 60 games by himself. Hakeem Olajuwon won one of his rings with a similar build, and Iverson won 56 games and reached the Finals in the same manner, something I never fail to bring up because nobody can really argue against it. As far as LeBron being more clutch than Kobe, in any season...he's unselfish, and he had shooters that would knock down threes. Stick a prime Ron Artest on both players, and let me know who you want taking a contested jumper to end the game. There's no way in hell I would take LeBron over Bryant. Even today, LeBron would rather pass to Chalmers or James Jones instead of seeing a double team, and it has resulted in losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Yeah, but it wasn't too long ago that Bryant was blasted for missing the playoffs, and then getting floored by the Suns in the first round...twice. People were railing him for it because, of course, he's the superstar...but they didn't realize the team was starting Odom and three of the worst possible players you can have (Kwame, Smush and Mihm/Walton). In addition to the garbage teammates, the offense wasn't built for Bryant. They had ditched the triangle in that first season without Shaq. Rudy Tomjanovich didn't want it, and Hamblen couldn't coach it (second half of the year, when Odom and Bryant were both hurt, which led to the piss poor record). Then, Phil basically ditched it for a couple of seasons because Kwame Brown had absolutely nothing going for him in our offense, and Odom was [expletive] as a ball-handler and playmaker, when most Lakers fans were thinking he was going to be the next Scottie. But, Bryant was the scapegoat. I disagree with him being the scapegoat. That first season without Shaq he certainly was because he was feeling the residual effects of the perception that he bounced Shaq out of town and the whole rape thing. It didn't help that he missed the playoffs that season with some halfway decent talent, but his injuries had a huge part in that. However, the next 2 seasons I feel the perception of Kobe changed dramatically. He was doing some historic things and leading a crappy team to the playoffs, which prompted MVP talk and the idea that he was unquestionably the #1 player in the league (which he was). Of course there were plenty of haters who would still rip him apart, but that is when Kobe's image turned from a negative one to a very, very positive one, and he gained the respect he deserved (which prompted me to write THIS article in 2008, which was the culmination of my Kobe love-fest...after that I cooled down and started to put his career into broader perspective). So, when LeBron James has shooters and defenders stacked around him, I don't feel too sorry for him because it's the perfect compliment for a player like him. LeBron didn't win 60 games by himself. Hakeem Olajuwon won one of his rings with a similar build, and Iverson won 56 games and reached the Finals in the same manner, something I never fail to bring up because nobody can really argue against it. As far as LeBron being more clutch than Kobe, in any season...he's unselfish, and he had shooters that would knock down threes. Early in his career LeBron's 2nd best player was Drew Gooden/Z. I don't care what makeup the team has, that team will never win. And you're overblowing that statement when talking about LeBron his first few seasons; in 05-06, only one player besides LeBron shot above 30% from 3 in the post-season, and that was Donyell Marshall. That season Hughes, Flip Murray, Varejao and Pavlovic all played about half the season or less, and only 2 players shot 34% or better from 3 that season, yet LeBron got them to 50 wins and a near-upset of the defending EC champion Pistons in the 2nd round. The next season he had the same garbage talent, but the players stayed healthy and shot a little better (although once again, only 2 players, Gibson and Hughes, shot 35% or better from 3 that post-season), and he got them to the Finals. The next few seasons he got some better talent, but his 2nd best player (Mo) choked in the post-season, and he ran into an amazingly well-balanced, all-time great defensive Celtics team two of those playoffs (the other against the Magic LeBron averaged 38/8/8 and was insanely clutch in the two wins the Cavs did have). Iverson's Sixers got really, really lucky that one season, and had the benefit of playing at a time where the East was arguably the weakest it's ever been. And Hakeem during the Rockets dynasty (if you want to call it that) was one of the 5-10 greatest players in NBA history, and simply dominated on both ends. He also had some really, really good role players around him, who knew how to come up big in pressure games. Not to mention they didn't run into a team as difficult as the '08 or '10 season. Nontheless, if you are going to use a prime Hakeem as the one guy who won with a similar type supporting cast, despite all the other factors, then that isn't a knock on LeBron at all. It's more of an ode to how amazing Hakeem was. As for LeBron being more clutch than Kobe, he certainly wasn't up until about 2 seasons ago. Now he's a monster in clutch situations, and that's just going by the eye test. I know the stats back it up, but no one is as good as LeBron is at taking over and winning games in clutch situations as LeBron is right now. For the last shot, I'd probably still take Kobe just because he has more ways of scoring, but I consider LeBron the better clutch player at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 30, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I disagree with him being the scapegoat. That first season without Shaq he certainly was because he was feeling the residual effects of the perception that he bounced Shaq out of town and the whole rape thing. It didn't help that he missed the playoffs that season with some halfway decent talent, but his injuries had a huge part in that. However, the next 2 seasons I feel the perception of Kobe changed dramatically. He was doing some historic things and leading a crappy team to the playoffs, which prompted MVP talk and the idea that he was unquestionably the #1 player in the league (which he was). Of course there were plenty of haters who would still rip him apart, but that is when Kobe's image turned from a negative one to a very, very positive one, and he gained the respect he deserved (which prompted me to write THIS article in 2008, which was the culmination of my Kobe love-fest...after that I cooled down and started to put his career into broader perspective). Maybe for you, but I never had to defend him more than I did back in 2004-2007 (with the exception of his rape allegations). Haha...you actually missed out on the worst "personal attack spree" in OTR history, through those Lakers/Suns games. We had a ton of Suns fans here, and a lot of Lakers fans. You would've enjoyed it, especially Game 7. Early in his career LeBron's 2nd best player was Drew Gooden/Z. I don't care what makeup the team has, that team will never win. And you're overblowing that statement when talking about LeBron his first few seasons; in 05-06, only one player besides LeBron shot above 30% from 3 in the post-season, and that was Donyell Marshall. That season Hughes, Flip Murray, Varejao and Pavlovic all played about half the season or less, and only 2 players shot 34% or better from 3 that season, yet LeBron got them to 50 wins and a near-upset of the defending EC champion Pistons in the 2nd round. The next season he had the same garbage talent, but the players stayed healthy and shot a little better (although once again, only 2 players, Gibson and Hughes, shot 35% or better from 3 that post-season), and he got them to the Finals. I was always impressed with what he did, but again, that 50-win team still didn't get to the Finals. I realize they almost beat the Pistons, but a lot of people were stepping up here and there, when James would struggle in spurts. I haven't missed a single playoff game since the Lakers dynasty games (I know that sounds hard to believe, but I've recorded those I couldn't watch). The 50 wins came in a weak East (not as weak as Iverson's East, but I'll go that route with you). And hell, Big Z was playing like Gasol is right now for the Lakers (I know you've watched Lakers games this year, and you've seen how Gasol's play has changed since last year), so I really don't buy into it THAT much. Varejao was one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA, also. The 50-win, Finals team...they were 4th, defensively, and there were seven players on that team with very good defensive ratings, two being Varejao and Big Z (who were the two best defenders on the team), along with Newble (who was the best perimeter defender) and even Marshall and Gooden were playing defense. They were also 18th on offense. They held Detroit to under 90 points in five of those six playoff games, under 80 in two. In three of their 20 games, they allowed 100+ points...seven of the 20, 90+ points. It speaks volumes as to how good that team was, defensively, and while LeBron was a part of that, he wasn't the biggest part of it, and that's how they reached the Finals. The next few seasons he got some better talent, but his 2nd best player (Mo) choked in the post-season, and he ran into an amazingly well-balanced, all-time great defensive Celtics team two of those playoffs (the other against the Magic LeBron averaged 38/8/8 and was insanely clutch in the two wins the Cavs did have).Better talent, but they won just 45 games in 2008? It was because their defensive ranking fell to the middle of the league. When they reached that mark again, the following season (top three defensively), they won 66 games. Slight drop in defense the following season, less success (in 2009)...at 7th, defensively, and 61 wins. LeBron is a good help defender, and chasing down the break, but he's no on-ball defensive player, and the Cavaliers relied heavily on their bigs. Ben Wallace was amazing for them two seasons ago, despite playing about half of the game, and Varejao and Big Z did more work down low, on-ball defense and supplying help to guys like Mo Williams and Boobie Gibson, probably the two worst defenders on the team. but no one is as good as LeBron is at taking over and winning games in clutch situations as LeBron is right nowThat's true, and watching Durant, he's tailing LeBron. But it's really not fair, either. Kobe doesn't get those opportunities anymore. Phil forces the ball into the post, and Gasol holds it for 20 minutes before he decides to do anything with it, dishing it to someone like Artest or Brown, who makes a ridiculous move and throws it back out to Bryant with two on the clock. OR, Kobe holds it for too long, draws a double and NOBODY on the Lakers wants to make a move to the rim, and Gasol stands at the high post waiting for his chance to take a contested 16-footer. There's a lot going on with the Lakers right now, and Phil's decisions to rest Kobe for way too long (saving him, or whatever) is hurting us. Bryant is playing 32-33 minutes a game, which is far less than he did last year. That's almost 1 1/2 quarters off. The Heat run ISO's for LeBron and Wade, all game long, and that's their offense. It works. James gets to do what he wants, Wade gets his, because both are always in the game with each other OR with Bosh (not counting recently, with the injuries, but you know what I'm saying). James gets his in the last 3-4 minutes of the fourth by putting his head down and going to the rim. Makes sense if it works...Shaq stood in the paint and pushed people around. However, when the game is on the line, I don't put the ball in LeBron's hands...especially today, because I'd rather have Kobe take that shot than to see Mario Chalmers fire up a 24-footer (not in Kansas anymore). By the way, there was a season where Kobe averaged 10+ PPG in the fourth quarter...for the entire year. Only Jordan and Wilt accomplished that, from what I can remember. I don't think anyone else has done it since...but, that season he did it (probably 2005 or 2006), it was one of the seasons included in this analysis, so it's just difficult for me to digest any of this, no matter how it's being presented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) Nobody defends other superstars the way they do Kobe on those last-second shots, and it's a fact. There are only two players I've seen, other than Bryant, in the history of the game, that require that defensive attention: Jordan and Shaq. And, surprisingly, teams didn't double Jordan on any game-winning shot I've ever seen from him. Of course, I haven't seen them all, but I've watched plenty of Jordan and have seen a relevant portion of his game-winners, live or in clips. Some people who have only seen MJ play in ESPN Classic replays or on dvds have no idea just how clutch he was. Its comical when people think Kobe Bryant is just as or even more clutch; it's just like saying Justin Bieber is as talented at this age as Michael Jackson was. Magic Johnson, Chuck Daly, and a few others have told this story about how focused Jordan could be. He and Magic were on opposing teams during a Team USA practice in '92 and Jordan's team fell behind by like 15 points. Magic started talking trash to Jordan and MJ didn't take kindly to it. They say Jordan proceeded to single-handedly bring the team back on his own to eventually take the lead. The most impressive thing about the story is that they remember Jordan only missing once or twice in this stretch, and except for one drive and dunk, he did it all on jumpshots. Edited January 30, 2011 by N/A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I was always impressed with what he did, but again, that 50-win team still didn't get to the Finals. I realize they almost beat the Pistons, but a lot of people were stepping up here and there, when James would struggle in spurts. I haven't missed a single playoff game since the Lakers dynasty games (I know that sounds hard to believe, but I've recorded those I couldn't watch). The 50 wins came in a weak East (not as weak as Iverson's East, but I'll go that route with you). And hell, Big Z was playing like Gasol is right now for the Lakers (I know you've watched Lakers games this year, and you've seen how Gasol's play has changed since last year), so I really don't buy into it THAT much. Varejao was one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA, also. The 50-win, Finals team...they were 4th, defensively, and there were seven players on that team with very good defensive ratings, two being Varejao and Big Z (who were the two best defenders on the team), along with Newble (who was the best perimeter defender) and even Marshall and Gooden were playing defense. They were also 18th on offense. They held Detroit to under 90 points in five of those six playoff games, under 80 in two. In three of their 20 games, they allowed 100+ points...seven of the 20, 90+ points. It speaks volumes as to how good that team was, defensively, and while LeBron was a part of that, he wasn't the biggest part of it, and that's how they reached the Finals. Better talent, but they won just 45 games in 2008? It was because their defensive ranking fell to the middle of the league. When they reached that mark again, the following season (top three defensively), they won 66 games. Slight drop in defense the following season, less success (in 2009)...at 7th, defensively, and 61 wins. 1) Yes, the team was built primarily on defense, but with an offense so impetent and such poor talent, they never had a shot to do much come post-season team. Bottom line is you need a legit 2nd option who can create his own shot, and need TALENT. The fact that LeBron could post 38/8/8 in a series and the team still lose in 6 games proves that. There is nothing, especially in his last 2 seasons, more that could have realistically expected one man to do. Besides a prime Jordan, I've never seen a single player carry as much responsibility as LeBron did his last 2 seasons with the Cavs...he did EVERYTHING. Even in the days where Kobe had to do everything with the Lakers when his team was [expletive], he still had a guy in Odom to take some of the ballhandling/playmaking responsibilities away from him, and Kobe didn't put half the effort defensively those seasons as LeBron was doing his last few seasons with the Cavs (that's not to say LeBron's better than a prime Kobe, but what LeBron was doing was ridiculous). On top of that, he had to score at insane volume and create everything for his teammates in clutch situations. And he besides the sheer volume, he did everything extremely efficiently. If LeBron couldn't win a championship with all the things he had to do, no one can. He simply needed more. 2) I mixed up seasons, I forgot Mo wasn't on the team in 07-08. But, the reason they only won 45 games that season was because of injuries/shakeups in personel...Hughes, Gibson, Gooden, West, Wally, Pavlovic, Varejao, Wallace and Marshall all played less than 60 games with the team. The fact that they pushed those Celtics to 7 games shows the team they really were. LeBron is a good help defender, and chasing down the break, but he's no on-ball defensive player, and the Cavaliers relied heavily on their bigs. Ben Wallace was amazing for them two seasons ago, despite playing about half of the game, and Varejao and Big Z did more work down low, on-ball defense and supplying help to guys like Mo Williams and Boobie Gibson, probably the two worst defenders on the team. You are severely underrating LeBron's defensive abilities. I've watched almost every single game the Heat have played this season, and he's easily the best defender on arguably the best defensive team in the league. He is a bit flat-fooded, and coupled with his huge frame he can't be expected to lockdown some of the quicker perimeter players in the league. However, he is extremely smart defensively, and does a very good job on all SF's, and completely locks down the more physical SF's like Pierce. However, the real area you underrate his defensive impact is with his help defense...he does far more than those chasedown blocks. He completely denies passing lanes, makes sharp rotations, and he contests 3pt shots off ball movement that 99% of SF's wouldn't be able to get to. To me, his work with his help defense is far, far more valuable than if he was simply a lockdown defender; along with Wade, they can shut down offenses without being a prime Artest with their on-ball defense. However, when the game is on the line, I don't put the ball in LeBron's hands...especially today, because I'd rather have Kobe take that shot than to see Mario Chalmers fire up a 24-footer (not in Kansas anymore). This made me LOL. I'mma start calling him Dorothy every time he takes a clutch shot this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 30, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Some people who have only seen MJ play in ESPN Classic replays or on dvds have no idea just how clutch he was. Its comical when people think Kobe Bryant is just as or even more clutch; it's just like saying Justin Bieber is as talented at this age as Michael Jackson was....I'm 27 years old. I started watching basketball in 1990, when I was six. I grew up watching MJ, and he and Kobe are my two favorite players, of all-time. I have no reason to be biased about it, and I've seen more MJ live than I've ever seen him on ESPN Classic. Magic Johnson, Chuck Daly, and a few others have told this story about how focused Jordan could be. He and Magic were on opposing teams during a Team USA practice in '92 and Jordan's team fell behind by like 15 points. Magic started talking trash to Jordan and MJ didn't take kindly to it. They say Jordan proceeded to single-handedly bring the team back on his own to eventually take the lead. The most impressive thing about the story is that they remember Jordan only missing once or twice in this stretch, and except for one drive and dunk, he did it all on jumpshots.Cool. Kobe outscored the entire 2006 Mavericks team (the one that went to the Finals), 62-61, through three quarters. The Lakers were down by 18 points to the Raptors in 2006...and Kobe decided he was going to score 55 in the second half, 81 in the game, and basically beat the entire team by himself. Tracy McGrady's Rockets were down eight to the Spurs, 35 seconds left, and he decided to hit four threes (all jumpers), not missing any, and a free throw, to win the game. And, above all of that, the three I named actually have video proof of them happening. Not really impressed, dude. I could name 10-15 other things in Jordan's career that's more impressive, maybe even more, and that includes his spectacular layups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) I believe Kobe is clutch and refuse to think again... so there. Edited January 30, 2011 by IllWill21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 If a player generally doesn't give a damn about anything at all (except pizza, cryptic postgame comments, entry passes, and step-back jumpers going left), and has the benefit of Dwight Howard's screens, then that player's shooting in superclutch situations will be unaffected by the usual forces that regress percentages to the mean. Subsequently, that player will become BETTER in critical moments than at any other point prior. This has all been proven by advanced math and science. You know, Quantum Physics and such.Greatest post ever. So just because Kobe had a couple good years he's better than Melo? take out that 11 for 22 and his career clutch % goes down ever further. I don't see how Kobe being selfish is argument for him being the better clutch player, sorry just don't. N/A was right, stats don't lie, and it's not sarcastic remark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 All I can say is stats don't lie, except the +/- stat (lol) You gotta be crazy to take Kobe Bryant (31.3%) over Melo (47.7%) in clutch. Melo has had his shares of double-triple teams in clutch.Melo is so clutch, he's made it out of the 1st round of the post season a whopping 1 time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) Melo is so clutch, he's made it out of the 1st round of the post season a whopping 1 time! he makes the game look easy though Edited January 31, 2011 by Warren2ThaG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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