The Regime Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) The Cavs are currently on a historic pace, losing 23 straight games(7-25 overall). Their loss tonight to the Grizzles ties them for the most consecutive losses in a season, a record held by the 1996 Vancouver Grizzlies and 1997 Denver Nuggets. One more loss and they tie the all time record for most consecutive losses, held by no other than themselves (1982). In addition to LeBron, Cleveland also lost Shaq, West and Ilgauskas. Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao have missed a good chunk of the season, while Anthony Parker and Daniel Gibson have missed at least nine games each as well. Coach Byron Scott has used 18 different starting lineups this season. So the question is, how much is Lebron to blame for Clevelands struggles this season? Edited February 5, 2011 by Confidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Swish* Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 lol a lot.. because even if you take off Mo and Varejao but LBJ would stay with Cleveland, they wouldn't be in that situation .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland's Finest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) It's half and half. 60% LeBron, 40% Cavs. On one hand, LeBron made an effort to completely insult the Cavs organization by not letting them know of his whereabouts before his show, after the royal treatment they gave him. If they knew, they could've made moves before. Also, LeBron hand picked this team. Every player on those Cavs teams he picked. So don't whine about him not having a few top ten players to play with. Now, Dan Gilbert has been hiding for two months, hasn't shown his face, and fans are pissed. They didn't have a backup plan, and that's terrible for an owner of a pro-team. This is almost the dagger to Cav fans. They get screwed by their "hero", and now the man who spoke up for them at one time is now hiding. Edited February 5, 2011 by Cleveland's Finest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Lol when you build a team soley around 1 player it;s your fault for putting all your eggs in one basket, however Bron shouldn't have lead them on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 5, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Gilbert's plan was to get the top pick in the draft. I think that was clear once LeBron took off. Saying that the Cavaliers would win before LeBron did...I don't see how he expected it unless he saw something in Harrison Barnes or Kyrie Irving (or whoever was the consensus #1 pick at the time, since it has changed over and over again). Cleveland didn't start off that bad, actually. They were a bubble playoff team until Varejao went out, and teams started to figure them out, not to mention the duration of the season starts to kick in and take effect (which is why I HATE when people bring up teams winning without superstars, because it wouldn't be the case once you play 40+ games in that state). The Cavaliers came out of the gates with no true plan. Nobody knew who was going to be their primary option, and teams didn't know what to expect. Once teams started to see how they were going to run their offense, and when guys like Hickson and Jamison started to feel the burn of an increased role, things started to turn sour. Blame LeBron, blame the season, the players, and the rest of the league. That's just how it works when you walk into a season without a legitimate primary scoring option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 It's half and half. 60% LeBron, 40% Cavs. On one hand, LeBron made an effort to completely insult the Cavs organization by not letting them know of his whereabouts before his show, after the royal treatment they gave him. If they knew, they could've made moves before. Also, LeBron hand picked this team. Every player on those Cavs teams he picked. So don't whine about him not having a few top ten players to play with. Now, Dan Gilbert has been hiding for two months, hasn't shown his face, and fans are pissed. They didn't have a backup plan, and that's terrible for an owner of a pro-team. This is almost the dagger to Cav fans. They get screwed by their "hero", and now the man who spoke up for them at one time is now hiding.Just out of curiosity, what moves could the Cavs have made even if Lebron told them he was leaving? Cleveland was never a desireable place to play, add in the fact that Lebron would be leaving, who would have wanted to play there? Which leaves open the possibility of trades, but I dont know what was available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 0% LeBron's fault. It is not his fault the organization failed to secure Amare, Vince (like 3-4 years ago) and a couple of other available all-stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland's Finest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Just out of curiosity, what moves could the Cavs have made even if Lebron told them he was leaving? Cleveland was never a desireable place to play, add in the fact that Lebron would be leaving, who would have wanted to play there? Which leaves open the possibility of trades, but I dont know what was available. We could've traded for Beasley while he was still there...also could've found a third trading partner to get rid of Mo/Jamison, etc. and have more things to work with as we restart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 We could've traded for Beasley while he was still there To be fair probably like 10 teams chose not to take Beasley, so the Cavaliers were not really out in left field by themselves in not wanting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland's Finest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Ok, but in the end, if we had notification of him leaving, we'd be able to make a move while a majority of free agents were still available. By July 8th, most of the above-average names were gone. And as I said, we could find a third team to get more out of the deal than just a trade exception. Bottom line is, there'd be more opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsguy9695 Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 you cant blame James at all. They should of got someone like him to take his spot. they can only blame themsleves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) The Cavs didn't/couldn't get any star players to complement LeBron (although looking back, they are probably kicking themselves for not pulling the trigger on the Hickson/Amare deal), but they did the best they can in getting players that are able to do certain things. LeBron was the man pulling the strings together. I am not blaming LeBron as he was a free agent and he could have done whatever the hell he wanted (although his "The Decision" thing pissed many people off), but he is definitely the cause for the Cavs' misery at the moment. Edited February 8, 2011 by Newman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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