NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) Proky says yes. This is why I've said all along to offer Chandler, Curry, 1st, or kick rocks. We are getting played, and it's all thanks to Dolan and Isiah. Walsh had this one under control from the start. You can see why we just completed a decade of incompetence, and are headed for another the way things are going. "I think we made a very good tactical decision to force (the) Knicks to pay as much as they can," Prokhorov said. "So it's very good, it's very interesting, it's very competitive." http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/nets_owner_says_meeting_with_anthony_5mT1wDWB1bHuW4YE8buebM Edited February 21, 2011 by Mozgov Cocktail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 @alanhahnAlan HahnSource tells Newsday Denver has told Knicks tonight that Timofey Mozgov must be included in multi-player deal for Carmelo. #fb @alanhahnAlan HahnSource says if Knicks decline to include Mozgov in the package, Anthony will be traded to the Nets. @alanhahnAlan HahnRe: Carmelo going to Nets if Knicks don't include Mozgov, Carmelo still would have to sign off on extension. Sources still say he won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universe Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Figured as much as when we said we were out then reports of four first rounders. To be honest, it's pointless to listen to what writers write because each one is saying something different to get their [expletive] read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 It's basically the same story. There should just be one 'Melo topic until he's dealt. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 It's basically the same story. There should just be one 'Melo topic until he's dealt. Lol. That's why I made this one. Just going to post all Knicks related updates in here, changing the thread title with the breaking angle at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Proky says yes. This is why I've said all along to offer Chandler, Curry, 1st, or kick rocks. We are getting played, and it's all thanks to Dolan and Isiah. Walsh had this one under control from the start. You can see why we just completed a decade of incompetence, and are headed for another the way things are going.do we really know Isiah is even involved in these talks? I think that might just be a ridiculous rumor someone came up with to raise some eyebrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 do we really know Isiah is even involved in these talks? I think that might just be a ridiculous rumor someone came up with to raise some eyebrows. That's fine, the fact of the matter is that Dolan hasn't cut ties completely with Isiah Thomas and that in itself is an outrage. The man has absolutely no sense for the business, and will allow him to waltz right back into the situation we were in a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 That's fine, the fact of the matter is that Dolan hasn't cut ties completely with Isiah Thomas and that in itself is an outrage. The man has absolutely no sense for the business, and will allow him to waltz right back into the situation we were in a few years ago.agreed 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Proky says yes. This is why I've said all along to offer Chandler, Curry, 1st, or kick rocks. We are getting played, and it's all thanks to Dolan and Isiah. Walsh had this one under control from the start. You can see why we just completed a decade of incompetence, and are headed for another the way things are going. http://www.nypost.co...B1bHuW4YE8buebM Why don't the Knicks just offer Chandler and Curry for Melo? If the Nuggets don't like that than guess what? You get nothing for Melo, and he signs with the Knicks in the offseason. He wants to be there, he doesn't wanna be a Net, he wants to be on a REAL New York team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 @WojYahooNBA: A front office exec with knowledge of 'Melo talks btwn DEN-NY says: "Knicks won't lose this deal over a reserve big man." @KBerg_CBSKen BergerMelo reiterated that the #Nuggets have "been knowing since day one" where he would and wouldn't sign. #NBA @KBerg_CBSKen BergerMore Melo: "The deadline is Thursday. Something has to happen. ... The end is here." #NBA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 CAN'T WAIT TIL THURSDAY!!!!!!! THE FATE WILL BE KNOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Was just watching ESPN... Chris Broussard talked about how the Knicks wouldn't be able to re-sign Chandler in the off-season and Raymond Felton is not a big part of their future(Deron Williams/CP3) He then went on to say the trade is basically Gallinari, Curry, and a pick for Melo and Billups. He then said something along the lines that the Knicks HAD to make that trade considering who they're getting in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Was just watching ESPN... Chris Broussard talked about how the Knicks wouldn't be able to re-sign Chandler in the off-season and Raymond Felton is not a big part of their future(Deron Williams/CP3) He then went on to say the trade is basically Gallinari, Curry, and a pick for Melo and Billups. He then said something along the lines that the Knicks HAD to make that trade considering who they're getting in return.First of all, Felton is still part of the future. He's still going to be here next season, and he's been terrific. He should've been an all-star. Williams/CP3 are definitely better, but let's not act like Felton is some scrub average 10 pts and 5 ast per game and is a terrible defender. This dude can play. He's rust on the cusp of being an elite PG in this league... Chandler, yeah, he probably wouldn't have been resigned I guess from what I am hearing so ok. And Gallinari is still a top 10 pick in the draft, is what, 22(?) and is becoming one of the top shooters and better scorers in the league. He is also an underrated defender. Carmelo is a top 15 player in the NBA, no doubt, but he is also overrated. He plays virtually no defense, his rebounding is suspect for a F, and he doesn't pass from the games I've seen. Steve Kerr was discussing how him and Amar'e would be together, and he thought they would not be good together at all, and I think I'd have to agree... So there's more to this trade than Chris Broussard is saying on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 First of all, Felton is still part of the future. He's still going to be here next season, and he's been terrific. He should've been an all-star. Williams/CP3 are definitely better, but let's not act like Felton is some scrub average 10 pts and 5 ast per game and is a terrible defender. This dude can play. He's rust on the cusp of being an elite PG in this league... Chandler, yeah, he probably wouldn't have been resigned I guess from what I am hearing so ok. And Gallinari is still a top 10 pick in the draft, is what, 22(?) and is becoming one of the top shooters and better scorers in the league. He is also an underrated defender. Carmelo is a top 15 player in the NBA, no doubt, but he is also overrated. He plays virtually no defense, his rebounding is suspect for a F, and he doesn't pass from the games I've seen. Steve Kerr was discussing how him and Amar'e would be together, and he thought they would not be good together at all, and I think I'd have to agree... So there's more to this trade than Chris Broussard is saying on TV. I think people underrate Melo as a defender, but he isn't good by any means. Carmelo is an average defender at least, but he usually guards the teams first or second option so he looks bad. I disagree that Melo is a suspect rebounder. Carmelo is averaging a career high 7.6 RPG this year and that's pretty great considering he plays the SF position. In fact, you have to go back to 2006 to find a year Carmelo didn't get at least 6 rebounds per game. I agree that Melo is overrated by many people, but he plays some defense and he is a great rebounder for the SF position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I think people underrate Melo as a defender, but he isn't good by any means. Carmelo is an average defender at least, but he usually guards the teams first or second option so he looks bad. I disagree that Melo is a suspect rebounder. Carmelo is averaging a career high 7.6 RPG this year and that's pretty great considering he plays the SF position. In fact, you have to go back to 2006 to find a year Carmelo didn't get at least 6 rebounds per game. I agree that Melo is overrated by many people, but he plays some defense and he is a great rebounder for the SF position.I wouldn't call him a great rebounder. Plus, in the Knicks system, he'd be playing almost like a PF position a lot of the times, with Amar'e at the 5. That's two weak rebounding fowards, and pretty bad defensively. Sure they may combine to give you 50 or 60 points per game, but if you can't stop anyone or get a rebound it could be a disaster. The more I think about it, I start to wonder how much better the Knicks get from this trade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I wouldn't call him a great rebounder. Plus, in the Knicks system, he'd be playing almost like a PF position a lot of the times, with Amar'e at the 5. That's two weak rebounding fowards, and pretty bad defensively. Sure they may combine to give you 50 or 60 points per game, but if you can't stop anyone or get a rebound it could be a disaster. The more I think about it, I start to wonder how much better the Knicks get from this trade... I was under the belief Shawne Williams would start at the 4 and Melo would play the 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I was under the belief Shawne Williams would start at the 4 and Melo would play the 3. Still super duper undersized. I can see the Knicks picking Earl Barron back up if this whole thing goes through, if for no other reason than adding a little size. But including the Moz takes away a ton of our size and rotation options going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) Still super duper undersized. I can see the Knicks picking Earl Barron back up if this whole thing goes through, if for no other reason than adding a little size. But including the Moz takes away a ton of our size and rotation options going forward. The New York Post said the Knicks were looking into Barron a while back, and if I remember he averaged a double-double with the Knicks last season. He's worth a look for sure. Knicks May Acquire Earl BarronFeb 14, 2011 07:42 AM ESThttp://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/wiretap/photos/2006/Barron_Earl_mia_080302.jpg Donnie Walsh still believes New York's biggest need is at center and the team's most likely pre-deadline acquisition may be Earl Barron. Walsh intends to bring Barron back to the team, according to a source. Barron was cut by Phoenix on Dec. 22, and has been waiting patiently for the Knicks to open up a roster spot. He was a huge success late last season when he signed with New York for the final seven games. ViaNew York Post Read more:http://basketball.re...n#ixzz1EcL6P4hN Edited February 21, 2011 by N/A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 @Chris_BroussardChris BroussardSources say NJ in talks w/Den to send 2 1st round picks to Den for Mozgov & either Gallinari, Chandler or Felton, if Melo traded to NYK @Chris_BroussardChris BroussardNJ-Den trade for NYK players would not be 3-way with NYK; it would be 2 separate deals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Interesting, never thought the Nets were so high on Gallo and Chandler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 21, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 The Knicks still need to do what they can to make it work. Melo could be overrated in many eyes (not really mine), but he's a franchise player. When you pair a franchise player (Melo) with an all-star (Amare), you have a much better shot than you do today, and it will attract free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) The Knicks still need to do what they can to make it work. Melo could be overrated in many eyes (not really mine), but he's a franchise player. When you pair a franchise player (Melo) with an all-star (Amare), you have a much better shot than you do today, and it will attract free agents. Good point, but as Steve Kerr said, what about the new CBA? What if Amar'e and Melo eat up 85% of the new salary cap and you are left with 15% to spend on role players? You can't attract solid free agents, you'll just attract vets and rookies. Edited February 21, 2011 by N/A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 21, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Good point, but as Steve Kerr said, what about the new CBA? What if Amar'e and Melo eat up 85% of the new salary cap and you are left with 15% to spend on role players? You can't attract solid free agents, you'll just attract vets and rookies.If they decrease the cap by that much, they'll be decreasing all player salaries along with it. For example, if the cap were to fall to, say, $40 million...that means that 85% of the payroll would be $34 million. There would be no way. A significant cap drop would call for all salaries to be lowered by a percentage, from 25-30% (proposal was 33%, at one point). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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